On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
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On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hostile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of service,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolutely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine. Hey, I do it myself.
But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude. It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?








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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hosti=
le
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of servi=
ce,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolutely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Thanks for stopping by almost eight years later and letting me
know, Frank.

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote=
in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hos=
tile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a n=
ice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of ser=
vice,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolute=
ly
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Thanks for stopping by almost eight years later and letting me
know, Frank.

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers


Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?


But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?
=20
Steve, K4YZ

an_old_friend wrote:

really ?

more whoopers

The cranes or the cough?

Dave K8MN

On 15 Aug 2005 10:16:31 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

Replying to both posts:

snip
Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers


I googled K4YZ for "usmc" or "marines"..... there are 111 posts
-prior- to Jan 1, 2002.



Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?


Bragging rights.


But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.


Oh, well, that makes it ok..... I guess.


you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.


I've heard that excuse before. Even used it myself on occasion.


So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?


Never been a ham. If you really want to know more about me just browse
the archives -- you might find it "somewhat cathartic".







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an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

"whoopers".

That was "whoppers", Markie, and no, it was true, whether you like
it or not.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?

Since the comments were not (a) directed towards you and (b)
obviously not understood by you, (c) trying to explain them to you
would be a waste of time.

I am sure Frank understood and he as the intended addressee.

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time

"falme".

Nope. It's not "falming" if it's true.

Steve, K4YZ

an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wro=
te in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven h=
ostile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a=
nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of s=
ervice,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolu=
tely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stol=
en
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one =
of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Thanks for stopping by almost eight years later and letting me
know, Frank.

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

Alla time.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.

earn what?

Longevity award?

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.

you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

..=2E.Crams his lies down our throats.

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.

and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time

There have been others. Many others. Most let Steve run them off. I
don't.

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.

On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.






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Hmmmm:

Webbed feet then? A mud duck? CB'er-type-grin

John

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:53:17 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.

Report to the Principal's office.