RadioBanter - Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235

From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am

Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
wrote:

no effort to squech it has been made.

Tsk, tsk...LOTS of "squelching" has been ATTEMPTED. :-)

Case in point: All these allegations of "honesty" and FALSE
charges of an inordinate number of "mistakes." Nice
MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM. :-)

he has the right to ignore me if
he likes, as do you of course, and I have the right to tell to shut
up and stoping acting like High Inqusitor or impling that Len is doing
something imporper in reading and counting as he sees fit

Mark, simply Being Here and Being NOT for morse code is "improper"
and "incorrect!" :-)

How many hunderd question does Jim need to ask before he reconizes
that Len is not required to answer him

Doesn't matter. Jimmie Noserve is a Radio god in here and can
act/do/write whatever he wants to and that WILL be "correct"
(because that is his opinion and anything against it is "wrong").

Disagreement with him is "wrong," thus "validating" his false
charges of "mistakes." :-)

A lot of people on the no-code side don;t like Jim because he
generally keeps his cool, and puts forth pretty good arguments.

Tsk, tsk, writing nastygrams about the "docket scorecard" a half
hour after midnight (local) means something has been "eating him"
and causing loss of sleep. :-)

On the contrary, I like Jim because he is rational and polite.

Thanks, Alun!

Jim is always right. He must be because he says so...those
against his opinions are "wrong." :-)

When it comes to one-sided opinions in favor of code testing,
he gets upset and irrational. shrug

He did raise a valid point about citizenship,
i.e. it is irrelevant, but I raised this point myself with Len
before and didn't get an answer.

I thought I answered that. :-)

I'll have to get busy and find out every other government
administrations' Elections so that I can go vote on those
issues...if I don't need to be a citizen there. :-)

Last I saw, United States citizens voted on, expressed
opinions on United States laws, regulations, rules. As far as
I've seen so far, Title 47 C.F.R. applies ONLY to United States
citizens on United States soil.

FCC doesn't exclude noncitizens, so why should a count of the
comments exclude them? A noncitizen can get an FCC license, but
has to take the same tests as a citizen, so why shouldn't their
comments be counted?

By INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT, the United States allows non-
citizens to be granted United States radio operator licenses.
Do NON-citizens vote on United States laws, regulations, rules?

Doing a voluntary examination of an on-going WT Docket and
reporting what I found is hardly "telling the FCC or anyone
in here" "what to do." Tsk, tsk. Since this is a private
all-voluntary "score card," the one doing the READING of ALL
filings is allowed to set the conditions. :-) Those
conditions have been FULLY EXPLAINED in each "score card" I've
posted...since the end of July, 2005. Why is there some kind
of "dispute" NOW rather than in the past two months?

As far as the "Indeterminate" column of my scoring, the notes
explain what was done. At issue in WT Docket 05-235 is just
whether or not NPRM 05-143 should be made into an R&O or not.
NPRM 05-143 is NOT some comprehensive all-inclusive Remake
of Part 97 as in the "Restructuring" of '98-'99. It is just
about morse code testing, whether it should stay or go...in
USA amateur radio regulations.

Other than the non-specific "Indeterminate" opinions, there
are only three others: FOR the NPRM, AGAINST the removal of
code testing, and retention of code testing ONLY for the
Amateur Extra class. Perhaps that is just too difficult to
grasp?

What IS difficult to grasp - by the PCTA - is that the NCTA
are no longer a minority. In fact, many PCTA just cannot
believe that radio hobbyists cannot love, honor, and obey
the cherished Belief that morse code testing is "necessary."

Len has a proven track record of mistakes here, particularly in
the area of FCC regulations, so it's not unreasonable to ask
about how his numbers are compiled and how they are checked.

"Proven track record?!?" :-)

Is that what is called "politeness" and "civility?" In here
I guess so... :-)

The way to "check" my numbers is to GO AND READ ALL THE
COMMENTS-FILINGS ON WT DOCKET 05-235 AND DO YOUR OWN
TALLIES OF OPINIONS.

Jimmie has NOT even made ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235.

Jimmie has NOT stated he has READ a single filing on 05-235.

Jimmie has spent a LOT of time and effort trying his best
to obscure and misdirect the NPRM "scorecard" results by
all these "challenges" and FALSE statements about my previous
alleged "inaccuracies."

Hey, it's a neat trick to try and sway public opinion in this
computer-modem kind of communications. Done well enough,
constant repetition of FALSE charges will make some folks
believe that a person is "highly inaccurate." :-)

The NPRM proposes to eliminate *all* Morse Code
testing for an amateur license. Someone who supports
the NPRM must, by definition, support the removal
of *all* code testing, not just some of it. Otherwise
they are opposed to the NPRM.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nothing in ANY NPRM is so sacrosanct as
to demand absolute obediance to the NOTICE of PROPOSED
RULE MAKING. Had Jimmie seen other NPRMs and the
resulting R&Os, he would understand that. Obviously,
he has NOT.

The detail of whether they support the current level
of Morse Code testing, or whether they support a
reduction but not complete elimination, does not
change the fact that they are opposed to the NPRM as
it stands.

SPIN, SPIN, SPIN. :-)

Tsk, the purpose of a COMMENT period is to allow
CITIZENS to make their desires known to their
government on a PROPOSED ruling. Those desires ARE
now PUBLIC. 2,641 filings' worth. Miccolis has NOT
read ALL of them, hasn't even made his own filing.
I have read ALL of them...including the 19 more for
24 October 2005 (making 2,660 filings) which will be
posted on 25 October (plus any additional the FCC
wishes to add).

So...where is the "score card" by James Miccolis?

And...WHO will "check his work?" :-)

Who checks Miccolis' "work" on his bi-monthly "license
number" postings? [he won't say from where he cribs
his numbers]

The FCC will have no problem deciding that they have a
mandate to abolish Element 1 based on the comments.

Perhaps - but recall that FCC is not required to follow
the majority opinion. They did not follow majority
opinion in 1999 either...

Tsk. Morse lovers are seeing the handwriting on the
wall. Finally. Wow, news flash, morse code testing
is NOT favored by a majority! [sunnuvagun!]

The ARRL represents a distinct MINORITY of all USA
amateur radio licensees. A mere 20%. Yet, on any
other issue, What The ARRL Says is some kind of "truth"
about amateur radio...anyone against that will get all
sorts of nastygram grief from ARRL Believers!!!

More important to the discussion of 'scorecards' is the
accuracy of the count. At present, Len's 'scorecard' is
made up of about 2500 comments that pass some vaguely
defined tests of validity.

"Vaguely defined tests of validity?!?"

2,645 filings for the period 15 July 2005 to 22 October 2005.

Miccolis is IN ERROR...it was NOT "2500." Tsk, tsk.

With such ERRORS, Miccolis is establishing a "PROVEN TRACK
RECORD OF MISTAKES!!!" :-)

"Vaguely defined?" The Notes in my "score card" postings
explain it, well past "vague" judgements by PCTA Miccolis.

With a base of 2500 comments, a single comment represents .04% of the
total, and 25 comments represent 1% of the total. With the totals being
so close, it would not take a lot of mistakes to change the apparent
majority.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...PCTA Miccolis has NOT CHECKED THE WORK!

Showing the apparent results to four significant figures may
give the illusion of accuracy to some, but in fact there's a
pretty big range of interpretation to those numbers.

Only in the "Indeterminates." Many of THOSE are so vaguely
comprehensible that it would take an extreme favoritsm to
one side or the other to put them in an "un-ambiguous"
category. READ THEM AND SEE.

"Illusion of accuracy?" :-) With over a thousand filings
judged into four categories, four-place accuracy was thought
needed to trends, changes, closeness-of-differing-opinions
and so forth. That is insufficient for the highly judgemental
(and rather disturbed by revelations) James Miccolis. He
wants "the work checked" by another PCTA...possibly to show
the "true light of the efficacy and necessity of morse code
testing?"

PCTA James Miccolis has NOT made any filing whatsoever as of
midnight, 22 October 2005. He has NO indication of READING
ANY of the 2,641 filings (except the first one, maybe) on
WT Docket 05-235. Then he "challenges" me to "show the work"
as if he is some kind of "authority" on what should be posted
in here! Magnificent performance! [of petulant spite]

For example, if one person submits multiple comments that are somewhat
different from each other (but all from the same
person), are they all counted, or just one?

That has been EXPLAINED. Duplicates are put into the Indeterminate
category. There are TWO flagrant violators of that, one for, one
against the NPRM. Can Miccolis NAME those two? I can.

But, I've READ all 2,641 filings made up to midnight, 22 October
2005.

If one person submits comments and reply comments (but all from the
same person), are they all counted, or just one?

More necro-equine flagellation. :-)

If a club or organization comments, does that count as one comment or
multiple comments?

Sigh...:-) So far, ONE club has filed (but not given any list of
members). Editor Moseson of CQ has filed...does PCTA Miccolis
demand that ALL SUBSCRIBERS TO CQ be counted also? :-)

If a single comment has multiple signatures, does it count as one
comment or does the number of signatures come into play?

Which filing by whom and on what date has "multiple signatures?"

Does Miccolis get multiple ligatures squirming around, trying
to find a fresh spot on the dead horse?

So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK, probably has NOT READ
ALL of the 2,641 filings to midnight, 22 October, 2005. He has
NOT made his OWN filing by that date.

You can see that depending on how the above questions are
answered, and rules are applied, the results can be far different.

What "rules" were "necessary" to be followed, Miccolis?

Were they "published" prior to 15 July 2005?

Did you "define what should be done" by the end of August, 2005?
[no, you did NOT]

Did you "define what should be done" by the end of September,
2005? [no, you did NOT]

Tsk, Miccolis must have become suddenly aware that there is NO
majority favoring the retention of the morse code test in
the United States' regulations for civil radio, Title 47 C.F.R.,
Part 97! [sunnuvagun!]

Miccolis is seeing the "end of ham radio" (as HE knows it) when
things are progressing ever onwards towards elimination the morse
code test! Poor thing...he stays up late on Sunday night, even
into Monday morning to vent his Grief and Upset at that!

So we are all just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Probably.

"Probably?" :-) It's UNAVOIDABLE. It WILL come about.

The only question is when.

The official end of Comments on WT Docket 05-235 is 31 October,
2005, a week from now. The official end of Replies to Comments
is 14 November 2005.

On WT Docket 98-143 the official end of the last extension of
Comments was 15 January 1999. The final R&O on "Restructuring"
wasn't released until the last week in December, 1999. That is
roughly 10 months of decision-making...but on a LOT more issues
than just morse code testing.

James Miccolis wasn't IN the FCC in 1998, 1999, and he isn't
IN the FCC in 2005. However, he KNOWS things and anyone who
doesn't agree with this innate knowledge "makes mistakes!"

FCC may simply be responding to the fact that if they
don't drop Element 1, the petitions and proposals will continue,
making more work for them, but no more resources.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. If the decisions don't go YOUR way, then you
can renounce the FCC as some sort of meaningless beaurocracy
that doesn't serve the "public need," right? You ARE U.S.
amateur radio, aren't you? [you sure sound like it]

The FCC will take its time, make its decisions, the issue an
R&O. They will do so WITHOUT having James Miccolis "check
their work!" However, any decision arrived at WILL be fully
explained in THEIR Report and Order and appropriate Commentors
noted in references. So far, as of midnight, 22 October 2005
the FCC CANNOT cite any James Miccolis as a referencible
Commentor...he has NOT even submitted any Comments on 05-235
as of that date!

Jimmie, you can make all the FALSE and misdirected "questions"
you wish about me. All I do is READ ALL the Comments and
Replies to Comments on 05-235. The OPINIONS on what the FCC
should do in its final R&O come from United States citizens.
The FCC is bound by law and reputation to "serve the public
interest." They seem to do a good job of that, despite what
the losers on past decisions snarl about.

Okay, you can try more misdirection and multiple postings
and you are going to get the same replies from me. That
doesn't affect the final R&O one iota. You've had all
your amateur life to crow about the efficacy of morse code
as a "necessary" part of licensing...and now you are seeing
that all of that will soon be gone. You won't be able to
crow much in the future...but you may have to EAT some...