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From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am

Lot's of Snippage.....

Nice MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM.

The thread is about your "scorecard", Len. Asking how the
numbers are derived, what rules are used in the derivation,
and who checks your work are right on-subject.

For example, if someone filed 1 comment and 3 reply comments
on the NPRM, did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else?

And you expect Lennie to honestly answer this...WHY...?!?!

More snippage....

Jim is always right.

Gosh, Len, so you *can* call me by my name!

HOLY SMOKES!~

Lennie musta ran out of Geritol.

Cutting to the chase.....

Last I saw, United States citizens voted on, expressed
opinions on United States laws, regulations, rules.
As far as
I've seen so far, Title 47 C.F.R. applies ONLY to United
States
citizens on United States soil.

US citizenship is not a requirement for getting an FCC
amateur radio license. Passing the required tests *is* a
requirement.

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment. Neither is there an age requirement to comment.

And those rules apply to NON-US citizens on FOREIGN soil. Any
person holding an American Amateur license must operate thier station
in accordance with Part 97 when exercising the privileges of their US
license.

Granted, if they don't, there's little the FCC can do other than
to suspend or revoke thier license and file a complaint with the
operator's administration.

Of course Len has admitted that he has had problems integrating young
people into what he considers 'adult' activities....

I imagine that Lennie's integrated a LOT of young people into his
'adult' activities....

FCC doesn't exclude noncitizens, so why should a count of the
comments exclude them? A noncitizen can get an FCC license, but
has to take the same tests as a citizen, so why shouldn't their
comments be counted?

By INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT, the United States allows non-
citizens to be granted United States radio operator licenses.

That's right.

Do NON-citizens vote on United States laws, regulations,
rules?

A comment is not a vote. An NPRM is not an election. FCC doesn't have
to act on what the majority of comments want.

Gee, Jim...wasn't it LENNIE who was saying the exact same thing
just a couple of weeks ago?

Funny how he forgets stuff like that when the shoe is on the other
foot.

More snippage

Len has a proven track record of mistakes here, particularly in
the area of FCC regulations, so it's not unreasonable to ask
about how his numbers are compiled and how they are checked.

"Proven track record?!?"

Yes. You've made serious mistakes in your statements about
Part 97. And you've refused to correct or even acknowledge them.

Uh huh...And "recreational radio services", "The ARRL is
dishonest", etc etc etc...

Is that what is called "politeness" and "civility?" In here
I guess so...

It's called stating a fact.

Well...There ya go...You were on a topic that Lennie knows little
of, Jim.

Snipsnipsnipsnip

Hey, it's a neat trick to try and sway public opinion in this
computer-modem kind of communications. Done well enough,
constant repetition of FALSE charges will make some folks
believe that a person is "highly inaccurate."

Is that your methodology here, Len? Perhaps you're counting on nobody
checking your work.

One need not use "constant repetition" to show Lennie's errors.

He repeats them often enough for all of us...

The NPRM proposes to eliminate *all* Morse Code
testing for an amateur license. Someone who supports
the NPRM must, by definition, support the removal
of *all* code testing, not just some of it. Otherwise
they are opposed to the NPRM.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nothing in ANY NPRM is so sacrosanct as
to demand absolute obediance to the NOTICE of PROPOSED
RULE MAKING.

There's no A in "obedience", Len. Are you getting worked up over this?

Must be, Jim!

You know he ALWAYS says I am "getting mad" if there's a
typo...That it's "anger" manifested in typing booboos.

And we all KNOW that Lennie A L W A Y S follows his own "rules".

More stuff on the floor...

Miccolis has NOT
read ALL of them,

Are you sure?

Of COURSE he is, Jim!

Lennie Anderson is the ONLY "radio professional" in the world! No
one else knows as much or is as "interested" in radio regulation than
he...

Snippity snipsnip

needed to trends, changes, closeness-of-differing-opinions
and so forth. That is insufficient for the highly
judgemental
(and rather disturbed by revelations) James Miccolis. He
wants "the work checked" by another PCTA...possibly to show
the "true light of the efficacy and necessity of morse code
testing?"

Are you afraid of having your work checked, Len?

That was a question...?!?!

PCTA James Miccolis has NOT made any filing whatsoever as of
midnight, 22 October 2005.

So?

Hey Jim...I haven't noted them all, but that's THREE proper uses
of your name in one post so far!

ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip.

James Miccolis wasn't IN the FCC in 1998, 1999, and he isn't
IN the FCC in 2005.

Neither are you, Len - ever.

And with the exception of his GROL, which Lennie claimed to have
let "expire" in October of 2000, Lennie's not even an FCC licensee..in
ANY service...

However, he KNOWS things and anyone who
doesn't agree with this innate knowledge "makes mistakes!"

I'm just asking some questions, Len. You seem to be very
upset over them.

FCC may simply be responding to the fact that if they
don't drop Element 1, the petitions and proposals will
continue,
making more work for them, but no more resources.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. If the decisions don't go YOUR way, then you
can renounce the FCC as some sort of meaningless beaurocracy
that doesn't serve the "public need," right? You ARE U.S.
amateur radio, aren't you? [you sure sound like it]

I'm just asking some questions, Len. You seem to be very
upset over them.

He is huffing and puffing a lot, isn't he?

Of course you KNOW the "problem" is that, once again, "mere
mortal" Radio Amateurs dared to question his infinite wisdom.

The FCC will take its time, make its decisions, the issue an
R&O. They will do so WITHOUT having James Miccolis "check
their work!" However, any decision arrived at WILL be fully
explained in THEIR Report and Order and appropriate
Commentors
noted in references. So far, as of midnight, 22 October 2005
the FCC CANNOT cite any James Miccolis as a referencible
Commentor...he has NOT even submitted any Comments on 05-235
as of that date!

So?

Jimmie, you can make all the FALSE and
misdirected "questions"
you wish about me.

How do you "make" a question about someone?

I thought you ASKED a question, Lennie...?!?!

A QUESTION is neither true nor false. It is an interrogative. It
may solicit an answer, the nature of which may be be true or false.

All I do is READ ALL the Comments and
Replies to Comments on 05-235. The OPINIONS on what the FCC
should do in its final R&O come from United States citizens.

Not just citizens.

Don't confuse His Radio Holiness with facts, Jim.

The FCC is bound by law and reputation to "serve the public
interest." They seem to do a good job of that, despite what
the losers on past decisions snarl about.

You're the one 'snarling'. Len.

He's BEEN "snarling" for 70+ years...Now things are "going his
way", and it's too late to enjoy it.

That
doesn't affect the final R&O one iota. You've had all
your amateur life to crow about the efficacy of morse code
as a "necessary" part of licensing...and now you are seeing
that all of that will soon be gone.

Ooooooooooh! Lennie used a MEDICAL word to refer to a radio
issue!

The test may be gone, but Morse Code use by hams will go on.
For a long time.

A-yup....

You won't be able to
crow much in the future...but you may have to EAT some...

I'm just asking some questions, Len. You seem to be very
upset over them.

Besides - what does all this matter to you? You're not going to
get a license anyway, test or no test.

Let's hope he doesn't, anyway. If Lennie get's a license ULX's
visions of Amateur Radio MAY come true!

73

Steve, K4YZ

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K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am

Lot's of Snippage.....

Nice MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM.

The thread is about your "scorecard", Len. Asking how the
numbers are derived, what rules are used in the derivation,
and who checks your work are right on-subject.

For example, if someone filed 1 comment and 3 reply comments
on the NPRM, did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else?

And you expect Lennie to honestly answer this...WHY...?!?!

a better question is why does Jim expect Len to answer him at all

after all if he did you'd just imply he was lying as you just implied
he would not answer honestly

More snippage....

Of course Len has admitted that he has had problems integrating young
people into what he considers 'adult' activities....

I imagine that Lennie's integrated a LOT of young people into his
'adult' activities....

now you choose to imply Len is a Pedophile

showing you as a realy sick person Stevie
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There's no A in "obedience", Len. Are you getting worked up over this?

Must be, Jim!

You know he ALWAYS says I am "getting mad" if there's a
typo...That it's "anger" manifested in typing booboos.

you do that with sort of **** with me why should len or anyone else do
so with you

And we all KNOW that Lennie A L W A Y S follows his own "rules".

More stuff on the floor...

BTW By your complaints about my cuts you are Censoring Jim
cut
That
doesn't affect the final R&O one iota. You've had all
your amateur life to crow about the efficacy of morse code
as a "necessary" part of licensing...and now you are seeing
that all of that will soon be gone.

Ooooooooooh! Lennie used a MEDICAL word to refer to a radio
issue!

where?


cut
Steve, K4YZ

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 

Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 24 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2672 696

Indeterminate (note 1) 174 63

Value for Percentages 2498 633

Against NPRM (note 2) 756 [30.26%] 201 [31.75%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1354 [54.70%] 318 [50.24%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 388 [15.53%] 114 [18.01%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 8 PM EDT 25 Oct 05.

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Totals less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.

Ya got that WRONG! FCC rules apply on US soil. Foreign rules apply on foreign soil. At best you might get some reciprocal privs, but those privs are under the rules of the soil you stand on.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:22:38 +0000, Iitoi
wrote:


K4YZ Wrote:

And those rules apply to NON-US citizens on FOREIGN soil. Any
person holding an American Amateur license must operate thier station
in accordance with Part 97 when exercising the privileges of their US
license.


Ya got that WRONG! FCC rules apply on US soil. Foreign rules apply on
foreign soil. At best you might get some reciprocal privs, but those
privs are under the rules of the soil you stand on.

don't you know Stevie is Mighty Macho Morseman and is never wrong

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

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wrote:
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 24 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2672 696

Indeterminate (note 1) 174 63

Value for Percentages 2498 633

Against NPRM (note 2) 756 [30.26%] 201 [31.75%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1354 [54.70%] 318 [50.24%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 388 [15.53%] 114 [18.01%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 8 PM EDT 25 Oct 05.

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Totals less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.



Len, add another to the "For NPRM" column.

bb

]Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 24 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2672 696

Indeterminate (note 1) 174 63

Value for Percentages 2498 633

Against NPRM (note 2) 756 [30.26%] 201 [31.75%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1354 [54.70%] 318 [50.24%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 388 [15.53%] 114 [18.01%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 8 PM EDT 25 Oct 05.
[quote]

Since the opening of the official comment period, this tally says 49.76% wish to retain some code test, 50.24% are opposed to any code test. Looks like we'll require code test for every second applicant. OK, Marines, line up and count off by two's.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

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Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

And those rules apply to NON-US citizens on FOREIGN soil. Any
person holding an American Amateur license must operate thier station
in accordance with Part 97 when exercising the privileges of their US
license.

Ya got that WRONG!

Nope.

FCC rules apply on US soil. Foreign rules apply on
foreign soil. At best you might get some reciprocal privs, but those
privs are under the rules of the soil you stand on.

If you are,say, a citizen of the Republic of the Philippines,
operating with your US Amateur call of KZ5ZZZ/DU, you must still
observe US laws while doing so.

If, while identifying as such, you were jamming others, operating
contrary to your license privileges and using 10,000w of power, you'd
still be breaking US law since you voluntarily ID with the US callsign.

Again, in the part you didn't quote, I said the FCC may not be
able to actually get at you to prosecute you, but they CAN suspend or
revoke your license. The "locals" would no doubt have some harsh words
for you too.

Steve, K4YZ

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wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:22:38 +0000, Iitoi
wrote:


K4YZ Wrote:

And those rules apply to NON-US citizens on FOREIGN soil. Any
person holding an American Amateur license must operate thier station
in accordance with Part 97 when exercising the privileges of their US
license.


Ya got that WRONG! FCC rules apply on US soil. Foreign rules apply on
foreign soil. At best you might get some reciprocal privs, but those
privs are under the rules of the soil you stand on.

don't you know Stevie is Mighty Macho Morseman and is never wrong

OF course there's times when I am wrong...

For example, once upon a time I believed that you were a
responsible, mature adult with whom one could carry on a meaningful
conversation.

That only lasted for a couple of posts, though. You burst that
bubble real quick.

Steve, K4YZ

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On 26 Oct 2005 03:27:19 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:22:38 +0000, Iitoi
wrote:


K4YZ Wrote:

And those rules apply to NON-US citizens on FOREIGN soil. Any
person holding an American Amateur license must operate thier station
in accordance with Part 97 when exercising the privileges of their US
license.


Ya got that WRONG! FCC rules apply on US soil. Foreign rules apply on
foreign soil. At best you might get some reciprocal privs, but those
privs are under the rules of the soil you stand on.

don't you know Stevie is Mighty Macho Morseman and is never wrong

OF course there's times when I am wrong...

For example, once upon a time I believed that you were a
responsible, mature adult with whom one could carry on a meaningful
conversation.

another lie on your part

That only lasted for a couple of posts, though. You burst that
bubble real quick.

Steve, K4YZ

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