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Dave Heil October 27th 05 05:07 AM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
wrote:

it more a matter of thinking the questioners to be buffons


If there was ever a "buffon" in this newsgroup, you are he.

Dave K8MN

[email protected] October 27th 05 05:10 AM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 26 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 3055 1079

Indeterminate (note 1) 192 81

Value for Percentages 2863 998

Against NPRM (note 2) 910 [31.78%] 355 [35.57%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1486 [51.90%] 450 [45.09%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 467 [16.31%] 193 [19.33%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 8 PM EDT 26 Oct 05.

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, one foreign citizen
submission, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Totals less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




Iitoi October 27th 05 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 25 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2892 916

Indeterminate (note 1) 180 69

Value for Percentages 2708 847

Against NPRM (note 2) 846 [30.26%] 294 [34.71%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1434 [52.95%] 398 [46.99%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 428 [15.81%] 155 [18.30%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 3 PM EDT 26 Oct 05.


Since the official publication in the Federal Register, the comments seem to be turning "pro-code".

46.99% favor fully removing the cw test.
53.01% favor retaining some level of cw test.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

[email protected] October 27th 05 05:12 AM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am

wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:



Nice MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM. :-)


The thread is about your "scorecard", Len.


No, it is about A score card, specifically on WT Docket 05-235,
done to provide some insight on the Comments made and the
prevailing opinions of OTHERS out there, as much up to date as
possible for anyone else interested in NPRM 05-143.

The first thread was begun by me on 2 August, 2005, intended as
a quick-look compilation of filings that had begun on 20 July by
individuals. The second thread was begun by me on 2 August 2005,
specifically to show both the original Docket opening filings and
those filed after the Notice in the Federal Register. The third
thread (this one) was begun on 17 October due to all the
gabbling and squabbling about charges of "inaccuracy" by all
those who didn't bother to do their own compilation. shrug

To almost the end of 26 October 2005, there have been 3,055
filings on WT Docket 05-235. Has Miccolis READ them? ALL
of them? I have. I have appended two listings of filings
with my Replies to Comments done at the date those Replies
were filed. Miccolis FAILED to note that had been done; ergo,
Miccolis has READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.

Brian Burke has filed on WT Docket 05-235, even Dan Jeswald,
Bill Sohl, and a few others. James P. Miccolis has NOT filed
ANYTHING on WT Docket 05-235 as of 7 PM EDT on 26 October 2005.

Asking how the
numbers are derived, what rules are used in the derivation,
and who checks your work are right on-subject.


But NOT necessary. I include Notes with each posting of the
"score card" which explain the categorization. Those are
comprehensive to those who bother to READ things.

Since this is a private compilation, I do my own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.

For example, if someone filed 1 comment and 3 reply comments
on the NPRM, did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else?


The OPINION expressed in EACH Comment or Reply to Comments
is EVIDENT in their CONTENT. That is self-evident (to
those who are not busy with misdirection of asking stupid
little questions designed to annoy the score-keeper).

James P. Miccolis has NOT posted ANYTHING similar to what
I have done...yet wishes to be some kind of "judge" on
what should be and what should not be. Tsk, tsk.



Your mistakes are well documented. Such as the legality of
amateur operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses.


THIS thread is about NPRM 05-143 and the filings in WT
Docket 05-235. If there are "mistakes" in the tabulations,
those can be found by ANYONE who bothers to READ the filings.

So far, the ONLY "mistake" was a juxtaposition of two note
numbers in the new form of the second thread begun on the
first of September. That was pointed out by Bill Sohl in
public, I acknowledged that and correct the juxtaposition.

Neither NPRM 05-143 nor WT Docket 05-235 concern themselves
with any "operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-
period." :-)


Gosh, Len, so you *can* call me by my name!


Your name is James P. Miccolis. You haven't filed anything
in the FCC ECFS since 23 August 2004. It is NOT "Jim."


US citizenship is not a requirement for getting an FCC
amateur radio license. Passing the required tests *is* a
requirement.


NPRM 05-143 is a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking by the FCC.
Any Report and Order issued as a RESULT of Comments then
becomes LAW in the form of an FCC Regulation of U.S. civil
radio. Do you understand that, or must it be explained in
voluminous detail to you?

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class? The First Amendment
of the United States Constitution guarantees CITIZENS the
right to make comments to their government. United States
citizens...NOT citizens of OTHER countries.

Neither is there an age requirement to comment.


Given the childish behavior of some, especially those spiteful
ones attempting to misdirect a thread showing the day-by-day
change in the filings of WT Docket 05-235, perhaps there
should be. Even more so when those spiteful children have
great difficulty in accepting the prevailing opinions in the
"amateur community."

Of course Len has admitted that he has had problems integrating young
people into what he considers 'adult' activities....


There is a minimum age to serve in the United States military.
I have NO difficulty with that. I HAVE served. Has James P.
Miccolis served his country in that country's military? No, he
has not. Miccolis perceives "problems" on such minimum age
limits, yet has NOT served.

The state of California has a minimum age limit on many things,
drivers licenses for one. I have no problem with those. Miccolis
perceives I have "problems" there? I have not.

There are hundreds of local communities which have very definite
AGE LIMITS in their ordinances and codifications of law, all with
definite moral and ethical purposes to those. I have no "problem"
with them. Miccolis perceives "problems" where none exist.

Miccolis wishes to drag up SEVEN-YEAR-OLD Comments on WT Docket
98-143...which are NOT a part of NPRM 05-143. Why? The only
possible reason is his personal spite and the attempt to mis-
direct this thread into the usual Flame War squabbling.


A comment is not a vote. An NPRM is not an election. FCC doesn't have
to act on what the majority of comments want.


Had Miccolis done HIS OWN COMPILATION on the filings of WT Docket
05-235, he would have found that the majority of those making
Comments since Federal Register Notice date of 31 August are NOT
favoring NPRM 05-143. Miccolis should keep that in mind, if and
when the FCC gets around to making their Report and Order. :-)

Note that Miccolis has often referred to FCC 99-412
("Restructuring")
Report and Order as "not following the majority!" :-)


The issue is the accuracy of your 'scorecard'.


I try to issue those daily. As a service to anyone interested in
the progress of the public comment period on NPRM 05-143. I try to
make them as accurate as possible.

James P. Miccolis hasn't issued any tabulations/compilations on the
filings of WT Docket 05-235. One wonders if he has READ them at
all.

The CHARGES of "inaccuracy" are specious, NOT backed up by any
other tabulations/compilations on WT Docket 05-235.


Tsk, tsk. Since this is a private


It's not private at all.


It is a PRIVATE ENDEAVOR. As in "by myself." It is made "public"
as in public view, as a result of posting.

I can do it by private e-mail as easily. That way it would not
(seemingly) offend you so much that you write the following:

You blab it all over a public forum,
so it's fair game for comment and question by others.


Sigh...you still do NOT understand computer-modem communications.
These newsgroups unrestricted by moderators are ALL open and
public to anyone who has access to a provider or to Google.

That's what free speech in a public forum is all about, Len.


You ABUSE "free speech" by general heckling...apparently because
of personal spite at getting opposite opinions to your mighty and
imperious statements made in public.

If you make statements here, others have the right to comment
on them and question their validity.


Hello? You've just gotten a taste of "rights" right up your
I/O port. :-)

Is your 'scorecard' a collection of alleged facts, or is it
just your opinion?


Neither. It is my honest effort to show the day-by-day
compilation of filings on WT Docket 05-235.

Such a compilation/tabulation can be done by ANYONE having
access to the FCC ECFS or to the FCC Reading Room.

Miccolis has NOT done ANY of his own compilation/tabultion
in order to BACK UP HIS CHARGES OF INACCURACY. Tsk, tsk.


The NPRM does not state that comments must be about Morse Code testing
and nothing else.


NPRM 05-143 is solely about morse code testing, elimination of
test element 1 to be specific. Had you bothered to READ ALL of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 you would have seen some filings
which were NOT EVEN ABOUT THE NPRM! :-) Is the FCC going to
consider those in regards to NPRM 05-143? :-)

Should your reply comments be called "indeterminate" because
of that?


You will label my comments anydamnthing you want...that's totally
predictable! :-)

I'd not call your spiteful little misdirections in here as
"indeterminate." INDEFATIGUABLE is more like it... :-)


Perhaps your explanation is incomplete?


Perhaps you ought to grow up and accept the FACT that a very
large group in the amateur community does NOT think like you do
about either morse code or morse code testing! [sunnuvagun!]



Yes. You've made serious mistakes in your statements about
Part 97. And you've refused to correct or even acknowledge them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's called stating a fact.


Here's a FACT: James P. Miccolis spending a lot of time late at
night (almost 11:30 PM when his latest missive was launched) in
order to HECKLE a no-code-test-advocate. :-)


You're not the only one reading the comments, Len. And your
numbers don't agree with others' results.


PRESENT THOSE "NUMBERS" then. "Prove" the "inaccuracy."

"Put up or shut up," Jimmie (that's a phrase, not a command).

You've spent days on trying to imply "inaccuracy" on my part,
yet you have NO PROOF out in public. You "babble" in here in
an effort to misdirect everyone's attention. [it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]

Jimmie has NOT even made ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235.


James P. Miccolis has made one, either... :-)


Jimmie has NOT stated he has READ a single filing on 05-235.


Who is "Jimmie", Len? Can't be me, because I've read several of
the comments. Reply comments too. And the whole NPRM.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Nun of the Above, try to go with the flow of
newsgrouping. Don't PRETEND you don't know... :-)


I've simply asked questions and stated facts.


Snide, spiteful heckling is more like it... :-)

It's a fact that
you have a proven track record of mistakes here.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...more uncivil attempts at character assassination.
Keep it up...it worked well for the National Socialist Party of
Germany in the 1930s. :-)

If you try real hard, you might even convince others I have
underarm odor!


Is that your methodology here, Len?


All I'm doing is READING ALL the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and
showing - as honestly as I can, as accurately as I can - the
four categories of opinions therein.

Perhaps you're counting on nobody checking your work.


Doesn't matter. ANYONE can "check my work." All they have to
do is go in and READ ALL of the filings, count them up, tabulate
the results.

ANYONE can go in to the FCC ECFS and "check my totals" posted in
here. Just set the date blocks on the ECFS form and the ECFS
will automatically total ALL of those within that date period!

[new technology applied...you should try some sometime...]


Had Jimmie seen other NPRMs and the
resulting R&Os, he would understand that. Obviously,
he has NOT.


I don't know what "Jimmie" has read, but I've read plenty of
NPRMs and the resultinf R&Os.


Jimmie Noserve also pretends to be an expert on military life.
Hasn't served a day, though. The Nun of the Above is busy
looking for knuckles to slap with her ruler. ["give a Nun
an inch and she thinks she's a ruler"]

Hello? You are in a NEWSGROUP. You wish to heckle your
perceived enemies...yet you demand all this "civility" of
"proper names" and other bullsnit. :-)


Not just CITZENS, Len - all interested parties. FCC has
not rejected the comments of noncitizens - why chould you?


Okay, James P. Miccolis, you hop on over to some Australian
place and TELL THEM HOW THEIR LAWS SHOULD BE. You think
you will be "considered," mate? :-)

Jimmie-James, you get yourself a copy of the United States
Constitution and try to UNDERSTAND IT. Especially the
First Amendment.

In fact, one doesn't even have to be a human being to
comment.


The ARRL hasn't filed anything on WT Docket 05-235 as of
8 PM EDT, 26 October. Some describe the ARRL as "soul less"
and without substance. :-)

Jimmie-James P. Miccolis of PA has NOT FILED ANYTHING on
WT Docket 05-235 (as of 8 PM EDT, 26 October 2005).


If Kenwood files comments, will you count them or reject them?


Kenwood who? :-)



Does that mean no one can question your scorecard? Why?
Is it somehow sacred and not open to any questions or
comments?


I've EXPLAINED my categorizations since my first "score card"
posting on 2 August 2005. See the "Notes" for each one.

Jimmie-James, I can't grab your finger and point it FOR YOU
at the Notes. You HAVE to read them.


It's not about me, Len. It's about *your* 'scorecard'.


Tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James. You are busy, busy, busy making it
YOUR teeny little "judgement at Nuremburg." :-)


Who checks Miccolis' "work" on his bi-monthly "license
number" postings? [he won't say from where he cribs
his numbers]


Anyone can check my posted numbers very simply by doing the
math. I've stated the source of those numbers here.


If anyone with newsgroup access can access them, WHY do
you post them here AS IF you "derived them?" :-)


The ARRL represents a distinct MINORITY of all USA
amateur radio licensees. A mere 20%.


How is that number derived?


That's been EXPLAINED to you in public several times!

Go to the QST advertising page at the ARRL site, observe
the "Publisher's Sworn Statement" that appears there twice
a year. Compare that to the total number of USA amateur
radio licensees at about the same time.

That's so terribly EASY to do...even for a double-degree.

:-)


How could anyone check your work, Len? You haven't shown it.


Two tabulations have been appended to two Replies to Comments.
Those are in PUBLIC VIEW at the FCC ECFS under WT Docket 05-235.

ANYONE can go to the ECFS and READ ALL the filings and do their
own compilations/tabulations. Really. It should be EASY for
any Amateur Extra with two degrees. :-)

By the way, "filings" refer to each document as listed in the
Search Results for any ECFS listing. That includes some filings
which have nothing at all to do with NPRM 05-143 or even the
amateur radio regulations! [sunnuvagun!] Another one is
completely blank. I've seen it. Do you know at which date it
was filed? You would if you had READ ALL of them.


Are you afraid of having your work checked, Len?


Not at all. Feel free to "check it" by READING ALL filings. :-)


If I make 10 nonidentical comments, will they count as 1 comment or
more than 1?


So...MAKE THEM! :-)

James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything with the ECFS since
August of last year. ["put your money where your mouth is"]



Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.


Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)

Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)

Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.

So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,


Nobody can. You haven't shown it.


Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)

Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Is a comment a requirement? The deadline isn't till next week.


NOBODY "requires" you to do anything, Jimmie-James. :-)

The deadline (official) for WT Docket 05-235 Comments is
31 October 2005. The deadline (official) for Replies to
Comments is 14 November 2005. Both dates are Mondays (in
case you can't do a calendar in your head).

So far, James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything in WT
Docket 05-235. But, he has been busy, busy, busy baring
his spite in here, asking dumb questions about things which
have already been EXPLAINED to him in each "score card"
posting I've made. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.


Ho, ho, ho...and the moon is made of green cheese... :-)



James Miccolis wasn't IN the FCC in 1998, 1999, and he isn't
IN the FCC in 2005.


Neither are you, Len - ever.


I don't have to be, Jimmie-James...not to exercise my First
Amendment Rights. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


You're the one 'snarling'. Len.


Nah. I'm just "answering your questions!" :-)

I'm just asking some questions.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


The test may be gone, but Morse Code use by hams will go on.
For a long time.


ERROR! MISTAKE! The code test is STILL there! :-)

That's about the 5th ERROR you've made in your one heckle-gram.

You are building up a fine "track record for mistakes!" :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)

Besides - what does all this matter to you? You're not going to
get a license anyway, test or no test.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...are you FORBIDDING my getting an amateur radio
license? That's not NICE, Jimmie-James.

I thought you said "all I'm doing is asking questions?"

If so, why do you say such a NOT-nice thing at the end of your
posting?

Have you been taking testosterone supplements and studying the
newsgroup conduct of Dudly the Imposter? :-)

Or are you tied down on the track in the tunnel and seeing a
bright light coming towards you...and suddenly realizing it IS
a locomotive? :-)




K4YZ October 27th 05 06:07 AM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 

wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am


It's called stating a fact.


Here's a FACT: James P. Miccolis spending a lot of time late at
night (almost 11:30 PM when his latest missive was launched) in
order to HECKLE a no-code-test-advocate.


Here's a fact:

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
From:
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Date: 26 Oct 2005 21:12:58 -0700
Local: Wed, Oct 26 2005 11:12 pm
Subject: Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

An unlicensed, disruptive, foulmouthed, deceitful, documented liar
trying to make some "point" about a licnesed Amateur posting in an
Amateur related newsgroup.....Who ALSO goes the extra mile to point out
the hour when his septigenarian self ought to be in bed himself....

But then Lennie always was the "Do What I Say, Not What I Do" kind
of hypocrite.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] October 27th 05 05:18 PM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 26 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 3096 1120

Indeterminate (note 1) 194 83

Value for Percentages 2902 1037

Against NPRM (note 2) 910 [31.36%] 355 [34.23%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1510 [52.03%] 474 [45.71%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 482 [16.61%] 208 [20.06%]

Tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 11 AM EDT 27 Oct 05.

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, two foreign resident
submissions, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Totals less Indeterminates.

This posting replaces the previous for 26 October, 41 filings
added by FCC to ECFS under that date as of 27 October, 11 AM
EDT.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] October 27th 05 11:41 PM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


Nice MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM. :-)


The thread is about your "scorecard", Len.


No, it is about A score card, specifically on WT Docket 05-235,
done to provide some insight on the Comments made and the
prevailing opinions of OTHERS out there, as much up to date as
possible for anyone else interested in NPRM 05-143.


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.

The first thread was begun by me on 2 August, 2005, intended as
a quick-look compilation of filings that had begun on 20 July by
individuals. The second thread was begun by me on 2 August 2005,
specifically to show both the original Docket opening filings and
those filed after the Notice in the Federal Register. The third
thread (this one) was begun on 17 October due to all the
gabbling and squabbling about charges of "inaccuracy" by all
those who didn't bother to do their own compilation. shrug

To almost the end of 26 October 2005, there have been 3,055
filings on WT Docket 05-235.


Do those 'filings' include only Comments, or other things like Reply
Comments?

Has Miccolis READ them?


Some of them.

But it's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.


ALL
of them? I have.


You claim to, anyway.

I have appended two listings of filings
with my Replies to Comments done at the date those Replies
were filed. Miccolis FAILED to note that had been done; ergo,
Miccolis has READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


It's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.

Brian Burke has filed on WT Docket 05-235, even Dan Jeswald,
Bill Sohl, and a few others. James P. Miccolis has NOT filed
ANYTHING on WT Docket 05-235 as of 7 PM EDT on 26 October 2005.


So?

Why is that so important to you?

Asking how the
numbers are derived, what rules are used in the derivation,
and who checks your work are right on-subject.


But NOT necessary.


Why not?

I include Notes with each posting of the
"score card" which explain the categorization. Those are
comprehensive to those who bother to READ things.


I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.

Since this is a private compilation, I do my own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


In other words, nobody checks your work.

For example, if someone filed 1 comment and 3 reply comments
on the NPRM, did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else?


The OPINION expressed in EACH Comment or Reply to Comments
is EVIDENT in their CONTENT. That is self-evident (to
those who are not busy with misdirection of asking stupid
little questions designed to annoy the score-keeper).


Did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else, Len?

It's a very simple question. You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.

Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for" filings?

James P. Miccolis has NOT posted ANYTHING similar to what
I have done...yet wishes to be some kind of "judge" on
what should be and what should not be. Tsk, tsk.


Why does what I have posted matter at all? You're
ducking some very basic questions. Seems to me you'd
be proud to show how your totals came about, but instead
you attack the messenger.

Your mistakes are well documented. Such as the legality of
amateur operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses.


THIS thread is about NPRM 05-143 and the filings in WT
Docket 05-235.


So? The fact is that you've posted things here with serious
mistakes in them, and then attacked the person who pointed
out the mistakes.

If there are "mistakes" in the tabulations,
those can be found by ANYONE who bothers to READ the filings.

So far, the ONLY "mistake" was a juxtaposition of two note
numbers in the new form of the second thread begun on the
first of September. That was pointed out by Bill Sohl in
public, I acknowledged that and correct the juxtaposition.

Neither NPRM 05-143 nor WT Docket 05-235 concern themselves
with any "operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-
period." :-)


Gosh, Len, so you *can* call me by my name!


Your name is James P. Miccolis.


That's one way to write it.

You haven't filed anything
in the FCC ECFS since 23 August 2004.


So? Why is that important?

It is NOT "Jim."


Yes, it is.

But for some reason you have extreme difficulty calling people by their
names.

US citizenship is not a requirement for getting an FCC
amateur radio license. Passing the required tests *is* a
requirement.


NPRM 05-143 is a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking by the FCC.
Any Report and Order issued as a RESULT of Comments then
becomes LAW in the form of an FCC Regulation of U.S. civil
radio. Do you understand that, or must it be explained in
voluminous detail to you?


Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class?


No - I got all A's.

The First Amendment
of the United States Constitution guarantees CITIZENS the
right to make comments to their government. United States
citizens...NOT citizens of OTHER countries.


So?

FCC accepts comments from noncitizens too. They don't *have* to do
that, but they do it anyway.

If FCC is willing to accept comments from foreigners, why don't you
list them as part of the total?

Neither is there an age requirement to comment.


Given the childish behavior of some, especially those spiteful
ones attempting to misdirect a thread showing the day-by-day
change in the filings of WT Docket 05-235, perhaps there
should be.


Gee, Len, you exhibit very childish behavior here ;-)

Even more so when those spiteful children have
great difficulty in accepting the prevailing opinions in the
"amateur community."


Looks like the prevailing opinion is in support of code testing. For
Extras, at least.

You've had "great difficulty in accepting the prevailing opinions in
the
"amateur community"" for years, Len.

Of course Len has admitted that he has had problems integrating young
people into what he considers 'adult' activities....


There is a minimum age to serve in the United States military.
I have NO difficulty with that. I HAVE served.


As you remind us over and over.

There's no age limit on an amateur radio license, nor on commentary to
FCC.

Has James P.
Miccolis served his country in that country's military? No, he
has not.


Would it make any difference if I had? We've seen how you treat people
who have served our country, both in the military and in other ways.
Your behavior is that if they disagree with you their service is
simply one more thing you can insult.

Miccolis perceives "problems" on such minimum age
limits, yet has NOT served.


I see no need for a minimum age requirement for licensing in the
amateur radio service.

The state of California has a minimum age limit on many things,
drivers licenses for one. I have no problem with those. Miccolis
perceives I have "problems" there? I have not.


You have stated here that you have always had problems integrating
young people into what you consider an adult activity.

There are hundreds of local communities which have very definite
AGE LIMITS in their ordinances and codifications of law, all with
definite moral and ethical purposes to those. I have no "problem"
with them. Miccolis perceives "problems" where none exist.

Miccolis wishes to drag up SEVEN-YEAR-OLD Comments on WT Docket
98-143...which are NOT a part of NPRM 05-143. Why?


Because they're relevant to your attitude towards young people.

You bring up your military service of a half-century ago - why is that
relevant?

A comment is not a vote. An NPRM is not an election. FCC doesn't have
to act on what the majority of comments want.


Had Miccolis done HIS OWN COMPILATION on the filings of WT Docket
05-235, he would have found that the majority of those making
Comments since Federal Register Notice date of 31 August are NOT
favoring NPRM 05-143. Miccolis should keep that in mind, if and
when the FCC gets around to making their Report and Order. :-)

Note that Miccolis has often referred to FCC 99-412
("Restructuring")
Report and Order as "not following the majority!" :-)


And they didn't. The majority did not want 5 wpm as the only code test.

The issue is the accuracy of your 'scorecard'.


I try to issue those daily. As a service to anyone interested in
the progress of the public comment period on NPRM 05-143. I try to
make them as accurate as possible.


Yet you don't answer questions on the process. Why?

James P. Miccolis hasn't issued any tabulations/compilations on the
filings of WT Docket 05-235. One wonders if he has READ them at
all.

The CHARGES of "inaccuracy" are specious, NOT backed up by any
other tabulations/compilations on WT Docket 05-235.


There are no "CHARGES of inaccuracy" - just some questions on your
processes.

Tsk, tsk. Since this is a private


It's not private at all.


It is a PRIVATE ENDEAVOR.


Not once you post it.

As in "by myself."


Nobody checks your work, then.

It is made "public"
as in public view, as a result of posting.


Which means it's fair game for comments and questions.

I can do it by private e-mail as easily. That way it would not
(seemingly) offend you so much that you write the following:

You blab it all over a public forum,
so it's fair game for comment and question by others.


Sigh...you still do NOT understand computer-modem communications.


Yes, I do, Len. That's what bugs you so much.

These newsgroups unrestricted by moderators are ALL open and
public to anyone who has access to a provider or to Google.


And that means your postings are fair game for comment and question by
others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They are not
immune to question and/or debat.

That's the nature of "computer-modem communciations".

That's what free speech in a public forum is all about, Len.


You ABUSE "free speech" by general heckling...apparently because
of personal spite at getting opposite opinions to your mighty and
imperious statements made in public.


Where's the abuse? I asked some questions, pointed out some facts.

It seems to me that you cannot tolerate any disagreement with your
views.

If you make statements here, others have the right to comment
on them and question their validity.


Hello? You've just gotten a taste of "rights" right up your
I/O port. :-)


See? There you go.

Is your 'scorecard' a collection of alleged facts, or is it
just your opinion?


Neither. It is my honest effort to show the day-by-day
compilation of filings on WT Docket 05-235.


So it's a collection of alleged facts.

Such a compilation/tabulation can be done by ANYONE having
access to the FCC ECFS or to the FCC Reading Room.

Miccolis has NOT done ANY of his own compilation/tabultion
in order to BACK UP HIS CHARGES OF INACCURACY. Tsk, tsk.


What charges of inaccuracy?

Did I say the numbers were wrong? Or did I simply ask how they were
derived, and pointed out how they *might be* in error?

For example, if you count multiple comments from the same person,
you'll get a different tally than if you just count the commenters
themselves.

The NPRM does not state that comments must be about Morse Code testing
and nothing else.


NPRM 05-143 is solely about morse code testing, elimination of
test element 1 to be specific.


The NPRM does not state that comments must be about Morse Code testing
and nothing else.

Had you bothered to READ ALL of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 you would have seen some filings
which were NOT EVEN ABOUT THE NPRM! :-) Is the FCC going to
consider those in regards to NPRM 05-143? :-)


They might, if the arguments are judged worthy.

Should your reply comments be called "indeterminate" because
of that?


You will label my comments anydamnthing you want...that's totally
predictable! :-)

I'd not call your spiteful little misdirections in here as
"indeterminate." INDEFATIGUABLE is more like it... :-)


Perhaps your explanation is incomplete?


Perhaps you ought to grow up and accept the FACT that a very
large group in the amateur community does NOT think like you do
about either morse code or morse code testing! [sunnuvagun!]


A very large group in the amateur community does think like you do
about morse code or morse code testing, Len. Or about a bunch of other
things, like an age requirement for an amateur radio license.

Yes. You've made serious mistakes in your statements about
Part 97. And you've refused to correct or even acknowledge them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's really all about money to you, isn't it?

It's called stating a fact.


Here's a FACT: James P. Miccolis spending a lot of time late at
night (almost 11:30 PM when his latest missive was launched) in
order to HECKLE a no-code-test-advocate. :-)


Guess what, Len - I stay up very late to operate my amateur radio
station.

You're not the only one reading the comments, Len. And your
numbers don't agree with others' results.


PRESENT THOSE "NUMBERS" then. "Prove" the "inaccuracy."


Why? You'll just attack the messenger.

Besides, you're such an experienced expert on "computer-modem
communications" that you should be able to find the tally without
my help.

"Put up or shut up," Jimmie (that's a phrase, not a command).


Free speech, Len. I'll not shut up.

You've spent days on trying to imply "inaccuracy" on my part,
yet you have NO PROOF out in public. You "babble" in here in
an effort to misdirect everyone's attention.


Why not just answer the questions I posed, Len?

[it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]


Ah yes, you advocate violence against those who question your
statements and beliefs.

Jimmie has NOT even made ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235.


James P. Miccolis has made one, either... :-)


Jimmie has NOT stated he has READ a single filing on 05-235.


Who is "Jimmie", Len? Can't be me, because I've read several of
the comments. Reply comments too. And the whole NPRM.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Nun of the Above, try to go with the flow of
newsgrouping. Don't PRETEND you don't know... :-)


My name is not "Jimmie", so it can't be me.

I've simply asked questions and stated facts.


Snide, spiteful heckling is more like it... :-)

It's a fact that
you have a proven track record of mistakes here.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...more uncivil attempts at character assassination.
Keep it up...it worked well for the National Socialist Party of
Germany in the 1930s. :-)


Godwin invoked. You lose, Len.

If you try real hard, you might even convince others I have
underarm odor!


Is that your methodology here, Len?


All I'm doing is READING ALL the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and
showing - as honestly as I can, as accurately as I can - the
four categories of opinions therein.


And ignoring honest questions about the process.

Perhaps you're counting on nobody checking your work.


Doesn't matter. ANYONE can "check my work." All they have to
do is go in and READ ALL of the filings, count them up, tabulate
the results.

ANYONE can go in to the FCC ECFS and "check my totals" posted in
here. Just set the date blocks on the ECFS form and the ECFS
will automatically total ALL of those within that date period!

[new technology applied...you should try some sometime...]


Had Jimmie seen other NPRMs and the
resulting R&Os, he would understand that. Obviously,
he has NOT.


I don't know what "Jimmie" has read, but I've read plenty of
NPRMs and the resultinf R&Os.


Jimmie Noserve also pretends to be an expert on military life.


Well, that's not me.

Hasn't served a day, though.


You haven't been a radio amateur - ever - yet you tell us
all How It Should Be in amateur radio.

The Nun of the Above is busy
looking for knuckles to slap with her ruler. ["give a Nun
an inch and she thinks she's a ruler"]

Hello? You are in a NEWSGROUP. You wish to heckle your
perceived enemies...yet you demand all this "civility" of
"proper names" and other bullsnit. :-)


You equate questions with heckling.

Not just CITZENS, Len - all interested parties. FCC has
not rejected the comments of noncitizens - why chould you?


Okay, James P. Miccolis, you hop on over to some Australian
place and TELL THEM HOW THEIR LAWS SHOULD BE. You think
you will be "considered," mate? :-)

Jimmie-James, you get yourself a copy of the United States
Constitution and try to UNDERSTAND IT. Especially the
First Amendment.


Tell it to the FCC. They accept comments from any interested party. Who
are you to reject them?

In fact, one doesn't even have to be a human being to
comment.


The ARRL hasn't filed anything on WT Docket 05-235 as of
8 PM EDT, 26 October. Some describe the ARRL as "soul less"
and without substance. :-)

Jimmie-James P. Miccolis of PA has NOT FILED ANYTHING on
WT Docket 05-235 (as of 8 PM EDT, 26 October 2005).


If Kenwood files comments, will you count them or reject them?


Kenwood who? :-)


The company.

Does that mean no one can question your scorecard? Why?
Is it somehow sacred and not open to any questions or
comments?


I've EXPLAINED my categorizations since my first "score card"
posting on 2 August 2005. See the "Notes" for each one.


Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.

Jimmie-James, I can't grab your finger and point it FOR YOU
at the Notes. You HAVE to read them.


I did. Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.

It's not about me, Len. It's about *your* 'scorecard'.


Tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James. You are busy, busy, busy making it
YOUR teeny little "judgement at Nuremburg." :-)


Paging Mr. Godwin...

Who checks Miccolis' "work" on his bi-monthly "license
number" postings? [he won't say from where he cribs
his numbers]


Anyone can check my posted numbers very simply by doing the
math. I've stated the source of those numbers here.


If anyone with newsgroup access can access them, WHY do
you post them here AS IF you "derived them?" :-)


The source does not do historical data, only current numbers.
By posting them here, they will endure as long as Usenet is archived.

The ARRL represents a distinct MINORITY of all USA
amateur radio licensees. A mere 20%.


How is that number derived?


That's been EXPLAINED to you in public several times!

Go to the QST advertising page at the ARRL site, observe
the "Publisher's Sworn Statement" that appears there twice
a year. Compare that to the total number of USA amateur
radio licensees at about the same time.


That's so terribly EASY to do...even for a double-degree.

:-)


How could anyone check your work, Len? You haven't shown it.


Two tabulations have been appended to two Replies to Comments.
Those are in PUBLIC VIEW at the FCC ECFS under WT Docket 05-235.

ANYONE can go to the ECFS and READ ALL the filings and do their
own compilations/tabulations. Really. It should be EASY for
any Amateur Extra with two degrees. :-)

By the way, "filings" refer to each document as listed in the
Search Results for any ECFS listing. That includes some filings
which have nothing at all to do with NPRM 05-143 or even the
amateur radio regulations! [sunnuvagun!] Another one is
completely blank. I've seen it. Do you know at which date it
was filed? You would if you had READ ALL of them.


Are you afraid of having your work checked, Len?


Not at all. Feel free to "check it" by READING ALL filings. :-)


You're afraid.

If I make 10 nonidentical comments, will they count as 1 comment or
more than 1?


So...MAKE THEM! :-)


James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything with the ECFS since
August of last year. ["put your money where your mouth is"]


Why don't you, Len?

Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.


Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)

Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)

Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.

So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,


Nobody can. You haven't shown it.


Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)

Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.


And the totals say you're looking at all filings, not just comments.

Is a comment a requirement? The deadline isn't till next week.


NOBODY "requires" you to do anything, Jimmie-James. :-)

The deadline (official) for WT Docket 05-235 Comments is
31 October 2005. The deadline (official) for Replies to
Comments is 14 November 2005. Both dates are Mondays (in
case you can't do a calendar in your head).

So far, James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything in WT
Docket 05-235. But, he has been busy, busy, busy baring
his spite in here, asking dumb questions about things which
have already been EXPLAINED to him in each "score card"
posting I've made. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.


Ho, ho, ho...and the moon is made of green cheese... :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len. That really seems to bother you.

James Miccolis wasn't IN the FCC in 1998, 1999, and he isn't
IN the FCC in 2005.


Neither are you, Len - ever.


I don't have to be, Jimmie-James...not to exercise my First
Amendment Rights. :-)

I'm just asking some questions, Len.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


You're the one 'snarling'. Len.


Nah. I'm just "answering your questions!" :-)


With a snarl. Perhaps you have a guilty conscience?

I'm just asking some questions.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


The test may be gone, but Morse Code use by hams will go on.
For a long time.


ERROR! MISTAKE! The code test is STILL there! :-)

That's about the 5th ERROR you've made in your one heckle-gram.

You are building up a fine "track record for mistakes!" :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)

Besides - what does all this matter to you? You're not going to
get a license anyway, test or no test.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...are you FORBIDDING my getting an amateur radio
license? That's not NICE, Jimmie-James.


Are you "nice", Len? You don't behave nicely here.

I'm simply pointing out that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license. If you wanted one, you'd have gotten one years ago. You don't
want one and you're not going to get one.

What you really want is something very different.


[email protected] October 28th 05 11:13 PM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 27 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 3174 1192

Indeterminate (note 1) 199 86

Value for Percentages 2975 1106

Against NPRM (note 2) 938 [31.36%] 379 [34.27%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1533 [51.53%] 497 [44.94%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 504 [16.94%] 230 [20.80%]

Tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 5 PM EDT 28 Oct 05.

Notes:

Notice of NPRM 05-143 appeared in Federal Register for 31 August
and established official end of Comments as 31 October 2005 and
official end of Replies to Comments as 14 November 2005. The left
column indicates totals for ALL dates. Right column indicates
all totals beginning 31 August 2005 to day of this scorecard.
It is unknown whether or not the FCC will consider Comments entered
prior to 31 August 2005, hence the two column format used here.
Fixed-font spacing used throughout.

1. Includes duplicate postings from same individual, "joke"
or "test" entries which do not have a valid address, or
polemicizing a personal pet peeve which has nothing to
do with the NPRM, individuals not understanding the
scope and purpose of the NPRM, two foreign resident
submissions, and six who were commenting on another
matter having nothing to do with amateur radio regulations.

2. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly AGAINST
the NPRM and against dropping any code testing.

3. Includes only those who are whole-heartedly FOR the
NPRM and the abolition of the morse code test. NPRM itself
(first docket document on 15 July) is counted as a "for."

4. These are "in-betweeners" who wish to retain the code
test for the "highest" class (Extra) but will accept
eliminating the code test for other classes.

Percentages are calculated from Grand Totals less Indeterminates.

Stay tuned...the future of U.S. amateur radio is being made,
like it or not.




[email protected] October 29th 05 05:44 AM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm


wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is. Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them? YOU did NOT.

Do those 'filings' include only Comments, or other things like Reply
Comments?


ALL the filings, Jimmie-James. ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


But it's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...Jimmie-James, you ARE making "claims" of "inaccuracy"
and implications of badness. :-)

But, you've NOT made one single filing on WT Docket 05-235 as
of 5 PM EDT on 28 October 2005. In fact, the LAST time you
filed ANYTHING with the FCC ECFS was over 12 months ago on a
Petition. Tsk, tsk.


It's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims." I'm doing READING and
counting and tabulating what I find. If you dislike the
results, DON'T READ THE "SCORE CARD." [simple solution]

That seems to unduly upset you. Tsk. If it bothers you so
much, just stop reading this thread! [easy solution to your
apparent problem]


Why is that so important to you?


Why is YOUR HECKLING "so important" to YOU? :-)

You aren't even discussing the opinions in all those 3,199
filings. All you do is try to trash-mouth those who've
bothered to look at ALL the filings. Tsk, tsk.


I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.


Why is that "so important to you?"

YOU are NOT in the FCC. YOU are NOT on the ARRL BoD.


Since this is a private compilation, I do my own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


In other words, nobody checks your work.


No, dearie, that is NOT "in other words." All you are doing
is simple-minded heckling of ME...which seems "so important
to you." :-)


It's a very simple question.


...from a VERY unsatisfied simple person... :-)


You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.


Yes, and...? Are you FORBIDDING my communications with my
own government?!?


Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for" filings?


Tsk, tsk...you understand very poorly. I've already said I
count ALL the filings.


Why does what I have posted matter at all?


Tsk. You talk MUCH in HERE about this NPRM yet you have
said NOTHING to the FCC on NPRM 05-143.

It would seem you are all about gabbling and heckling and
don't have the guts to make yourself heard to the FCC.

You're ducking some very basic questions.


NOT "ducking" anything, Jimmie-James.

You HECKLE a lot, asking inane questions to which the answers
were already posted with the first of my "score cards."

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you are acting like a whiny, petulant little
child with all those "I'm just asking questions" nonsense
comments.

Seems to me you'd
be proud to show how your totals came about, but instead
you attack the messenger.


Tsk. I "attack the messenger?!?" :-)

What do you call YOUR remarks in HERE, then, Jimmie-James?
Some kind of self-appointed morals-ethics "policeman" when
all you are is a petulant, whiny little heckler.

As you've pointed out (more than once), the "score card" is
MINE, isn't it? :-) If so, then I make up the rules,
don't I? :-) You don't like the results? Don't read the
"score card."

The results of the NPRM and its final Report and Order will
NOT AFFECT YOU, will it? You have your beloved badge, title,
rank, attendant privileges, and a neat certificate (suitable
for framing). Nobody can take that away from you. The results
of the final R&O will NOT affect you insofar as amateur radio
operating, will it?


Your name is James P. Miccolis.


That's one way to write it.


You have OTHER ways to write your legal name? :-)


But for some reason you have extreme difficulty calling people by their
names.


I wrote "your name is James P. Miccolis." No problem to
me. It was easy to write. :-) NOT "extreme difficulty."


Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.


"Miss the point?" I've never been to West Point. Tell us
about it, your cadet days before you were actively "serving
your country."

I've been to Point Loma, Point Reyes, all without "missing" my
way there.

I have an LED pointer. I haven't missed with that one for a
long while.


A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class?


No - I got all A's.


You "claim." :-)


FCC accepts comments from noncitizens too. They don't *have* to do
that, but they do it anyway.


So...you have it on "good authority" that the FCC actually
CONSIDERS those comments in deciding on a final R&O?

Tell us more, Mr. Insider. You ARE with the FCC, aren't you?


If FCC is willing to accept comments from foreigners, why don't you
list them as part of the total?


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James, they ARE listed. Have been since the
first of them showed up.

Gee, Len, you exhibit very childish behavior here ;-)


Ha. Ha. Ha. I'm not the one asking inane, petulant "questions"
which had ANSWERS already posted on the "score card." YOU ARE.


Looks like the prevailing opinion is in support of code testing. For
Extras, at least.


Why is that "so important to you?" It won't affect YOUR amateur
privileges.

The official end of Comments on WT Docket 05-235 is 31 October 2005;
official end of Replies to Comments is 14 November 2005. I am
posting this message on 28 October 2005. Whatever filings are
there, I'm simply READING them ALL, counting them up, tabulating
them and posting the results.



There's no age limit on an amateur radio license, nor on commentary to
FCC.


I'm NOT taking any "age limits" in my "score card," Jimmie. :-)

Why do you continue to make whiny little petulant remarks about
things NOT in the "score card?"


I see no need for a minimum age requirement for licensing in the
amateur radio service.


NPRM 05-143 is NOT about U.S. amateur radio license "age
requirements." Grow up.


You have stated here that you have always had problems integrating
young people into what you consider an adult activity.


Like VOTING if one is below the age limit? I have NO "problem"
with that.

Like getting a driver's license below the state law age
minimum? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like buying alcohol in a store by those below the state law
minimums? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like serving in the armed forces below the age minimum? I have
NO "problem" with that. [you should have NO "problem" with
that since you've never served]

Like getting married before the minimum legal age? I have NO
"problem" with that. [are you married, Jimmie? Had sex yet?]

Because they're relevant to your attitude towards young people.


Tsk. LOTS and LOTS of ordinary folks are all FOR minimum age
requirements in MANY things, Jimmie. I have NO "problems" with
that. YOU have a big PROBLEM with that, though.



Yet you don't answer questions on the process. Why?


Tsk, tsk, tsk...I don't "answer" heckling about questions which
have had ANSWERS already posted in the Notes section of my "score
card." :-)


There are no "CHARGES of inaccuracy" - just some questions on your
processes.


You have only whiny, petulant, childish HECKLING of others,
Jimmie. Not a nice thing to do.



And that means your postings are fair game for comment and question by
others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They are not
immune to question and/or debat.


Freudian slip, Jimmie. The word is "debate." :-)

"De bat" is what you think you swing. But, you ain't got a ball
enough to post your own Comment on WT Docket 05-235. :-)


It seems to me that you cannot tolerate any disagreement with your
views.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...it seems you get VERY UPSET when a sizeable
group of hobbyists don't like morse code testing! :-)

Makes you ill-tempered, whiny, petulant, and childish with
your inane heckling! :-)


Did I say the numbers were wrong?


You implied that several times. :-)

Or did I simply ask how they were
derived, and pointed out how they *might be* in error?


You not only MIGHT be WRONG on your "assessment" but you ARE. :-)



Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's really all about money to you, isn't it?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... :-

Poor Jimmie? Double-degreed "engineer" and you can't MAKE
ENOUGH to spend over $100 on a rig? :-)


Guess what, Len - I stay up very late to operate my amateur radio
station.


Who cares? :-)

It's YOUR body you are abusing...


Besides, you're such an experienced expert on "computer-modem
communications" that you should be able to find the tally without
my help.


I haven't needed it yet, Jimmie. :-)


Why not just answer the questions I posed, Len?


What "answers" would you LIKE, Jimmie? :-)


[it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]


Ah yes, you advocate violence against those who question your
statements and beliefs.


"Knuckle-spanking" is VIOLENCE?

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... ......


My name is not "Jimmie", so it can't be me.


Ah, but it IS, Jimmie. :-)

You want "formality?" Should we call you "your majesty?" :-)



Godwin invoked. You lose, Len.


I haven't "lost" anything, Jimmie-James. :-)

Tell "Godwin" to send me e-mail if he (or you) are so upset...


And ignoring honest questions about the process.


Ask them "honestly" and I might give you answers...but the
ANSWERS were already in every "score card" before you ever
asked them! :-)


You haven't been a radio amateur - ever - yet you tell us
all How It Should Be in amateur radio.


Tsk. Who can "tell" a morseman anything? :-)


You equate questions with heckling.


Yours ARE. :-)


Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.


Tsk, tsk. I don't give you the "answers you want" and "with the
proper respectful attitude."

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...


I did. Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.



Tsk, tsk. I don't give you the "answers you want" and "with the
proper respectful attitude."

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...


James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything with the ECFS since
August of last year. ["put your money where your mouth is"]


Why don't you, Len?


Tsk, tsk...Jimmie-James has already FORGOTTEN about his remark
and my five filings on WT Docket 05-235. James P. Miccolis
has exactly ZERO filings on that Docket. :-)


Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.



Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)



Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)



Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.



So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,



Nobody can. You haven't shown it.



Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)



Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.




I'm simply pointing out that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license.


How is that "important" to YOU? It sure isn't "important" on
NPRM 05-143 what any Commenter is "going to do." :-)

Had you READ ALL the filings, you would have seen some interesting
ones (other than mine, of course) by NON-radio-hobbyists! Try an
educational institution for starters...

If you wanted one, you'd have gotten one years ago.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why? :-)

Get a ham license to "do a 'service' to my country?" :-) Done
the REAL service, Jimmie.

Well, I DID not follow the "accepted formal sequence" by getting an
amateur radio license BEFORE I operated all those transmitters at
ADA long ago...and messed that up by getting a Commercial radio
license after being released from Army service ten years after I
turned the magic age of fourteen. :-)

You don't want one and you're not going to get one.


I don't want your childish, petulant, whiny heckling in here but I
will EXPECT to get thousands of them... :-)

What you really want is something very different.


I want the FCC to make NPRM 05-143 into a Report and Order...without
changes to the basic precepts in the NPRM.

So...how long have YOU been taking those post-graduate courses in
behavioral psychology, Jimmie-James? Do you plan on becoming a
licensed shrink? Or do you just wear shrink-wrap?

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA.........




[email protected] October 29th 05 12:44 PM

Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235
 
wrote:
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is.


Well, at least you finally admit to that plain and simple fact.

Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them?


I don't think that. I know it's true. I've seen the compilation
done by someone else and it's more informative than yours.

YOU did NOT.


Why does that matter?

You've never been a radio amateur but you tell us How Amateur
Radio Should Be. Which is your right of free speech.

The thing you seem to have trouble with is when others use their
right of free speech.

Do those 'filings' include only Comments, or other things like Reply Comments?


ALL the filings, Jimmie-James.


Who is "Jimmie-James", Len? An imaginary friend of yours?

ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


Finally! An answer to a straightforward question! Thank you.

So what you're really writing about is how many total documents have
been filed, not just comments. The term "comment" has a specific
meaning in the context of FCC NPRMs.

But it's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...Jimmie-James, you ARE making "claims"
of "inaccuracy" and implications of badness. :-)


Well, maybe your imaginary friend is doing that.

But I, Jim/N2EY, am simply asking questions about your 'scorecard'
process, and pointing out the *potential* for
inaccuracy.

That sort of thing seems to really bother you, Len.

But, you've NOT made one single filing on WT Docket 05-235 as
of 5 PM EDT on 28 October 2005.


So? Is the filing of comments with FCC a requirement for asking
questions and posting comments here?

Who made you the moderator?

In fact, the LAST time you
filed ANYTHING with the FCC ECFS was over 12 months ago on a
Petition. Tsk, tsk.


What's so "tsk tsk" about that?

It's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and
making any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims."


Yes, you are, Len. You're claiming your 'scorecard' is accurate
but you won't answer questions about how it is prepared. That may
be changing, which is a good thing.

I'm doing READING and
counting and tabulating what I find.


So you claim, anyway.

If you dislike the
results, DON'T READ THE "SCORE CARD." [simple solution]


Here's another solution, Len: If you don't want commentary on
things you post, don't post them.

You seem to want everyone to just accept what you write here
without question, even though you don't behave that way
towards others. Doesn't work that way.

That seems to unduly upset you. Tsk. If it bothers you so
much, just stop reading this thread! [easy solution to your
apparent problem]


You are the one getting upset, Len. Not me.

Why is that so important to you?


Why is YOUR HECKLING "so important" to YOU? :-)

You aren't even discussing the opinions in all those 3,199
filings. All you do is try to trash-mouth those who've
bothered to look at ALL the filings. Tsk, tsk.


Seems to me that asking questions is defined as "heckling" and
"trash-mouth" by you...

I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.


Why is that "so important to you?"


I'm just asking you to clarify your process. Is that so difficult
to understand?

YOU are NOT in the FCC. YOU are NOT on the ARRL BoD.


Neither are you, Len.

Since this is a private compilation, I do my
own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


In other words, nobody checks your work.


No, dearie, that is NOT "in other words."


Nobody checks your work.

All you are doing
is simple-minded heckling of ME...which seems "so important
to you." :-)


Nobody checks your work.

It's a very simple question.


...from a VERY unsatisfied simple person... :-)

You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.


Yes, and...? Are you FORBIDDING my communications with my
own government?!?


Of course not. Are you forbidding my free speech?

Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for"
filings?


Tsk, tsk...you understand very poorly.


Incorrect. I understand very well. You explain very poorly.

I've already said I count ALL the filings.


In other words, your own comments and reply comments are counted as 5
filings *for* the NPRM, not 1. Also means you're counting the multiple
filings of others, including one person who was "for" the NPRM and
filed no less than 17 filings.

An alternative compilation that I have seen indicates multiple filings
by the same person. Last time I looked, multiple filings by those "for"
the NPRM exceeded multiple filings by those "against" it by at least 32
comments. That's about 1%.

So your counting method overstates the support for the NPRM by at least
that percentage.

You post your results to four significant figures, yet if your counting
method is as described above, it's inaccurate by at least 1% from that
one source of error.

Why does what I have posted matter at all?


Tsk. You talk MUCH in HERE about this NPRM yet you have
said NOTHING to the FCC on NPRM 05-143.


*Why* does that matter?

You make a lot of noise about amateur radio but you've never been a
radio amateur. And from all appearances you're never going to get an
amateur radio license.

So why do are you so obsessed with it?

It would seem you are all about gabbling and heckling and
don't have the guts to make yourself heard to the FCC.


Quite the opposite is true, Len.

That description is more about you than me.

Do you think proposals to the FCC write themselves?

Seems to me you'd
be proud to show how your totals came about, but instead
you attack the messenger.


Tsk. I "attack the messenger?!?" :-)


Yes.

What do you call YOUR remarks in HERE, then, Jimmie-James?
Some kind of self-appointed morals-ethics "policeman" when
all you are is a petulant, whiny little heckler.

As you've pointed out (more than once), the "score card" is
MINE, isn't it? :-) If so, then I make up the rules,
don't I? :-) You don't like the results? Don't read the
"score card."


What you're really saying is that you cannot tolerate
opposing opinions, questions, or facts that contradict your
assertions.

The results of the NPRM and its final Report and Order will
NOT AFFECT YOU, will it?


It may. Changes in the rules of the amateur radio service may
have a profound effect on me, because I'm an active licensed
radio amateur.

There's very little chance that changes in the rules of the amateur
radio service will have *any* effect on you, because
you're not a licensed radio amateur, and it doesn't appear
that you'll ever be one.

You have your beloved badge, title,
rank, attendant privileges, and a neat certificate (suitable
for framing).


What does all that refer to. Do you mean my Amateur Extra class radio
license issued by FCC in 1970 (35 years ago!) and renewed/modified ever
since?

Nobody can take that away from you.


Yes, they can. FCC can refuse to renew a license, or even revoke it,
for cause. I've never given them cause.

FCC can also decide to change license privileges, subbands, etc., all
of which can have a profound affect on those who actually operate in
the licensed service.

The results
of the final R&O will NOT affect you insofar as amateur radio
operating, will it?


They could. For example, if rules changes cause the ARS to become more
like cb, my amateur radio operating could be profoundly affected.

I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen.

Some days back, you posted a description of your experiences with
cb radio back in the late 1950s and early 1960s. You told us how
you installed a manufactured cb transceiver and antenna in your car and
used it. You told us the performance was *excellent* - for about four
years. Then it wasn't so excellent anymore.

Where did the excellence go, Len?

Do you see how the same could happen to amateur radio?

I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen.

Existing licensees can be profoundly affected by rules changes.
Since your are not a radio amateur and not likely to become one
regardless of rules changes, the NPRM results don't really affect you.

Your name is James P. Miccolis.


That's one way to write it.


You have OTHER ways to write your legal name? :-)


Yes. My middle name could be spelled out, for one...

But for some reason you have extreme difficulty calling people by their names.


I wrote "your name is James P. Miccolis." No problem to
me. It was easy to write. :-) NOT "extreme difficulty."


Judging by how often you call people by other than their legal names,
it's clear you have a lot of difficulty in that area.

Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.


"Miss the point?"


Yes.

I've never been to West Point.


I have. Under it, too.

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class?


No - I got all A's.


You "claim." :-)


It's at least as accurate as your 'scorecard' claims...


FCC accepts comments from noncitizens too. They don't
*have* to do
that, but they do it anyway.


So...you have it on "good authority" that the FCC actually
CONSIDERS those comments in deciding on a final R&O?


I didn't say that. I wrote that FCC *accepts* those comments.

Tell us more, Mr. Insider. You ARE with the FCC, aren't you?


I'm as "with" FCC as you are.

If FCC is willing to accept comments from foreigners, why
don't you list them as part of the total?


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James, they ARE listed.
Have been since the first of them showed up.


Just not *counted* by you...

Looks like the prevailing opinion is in support
of code testing. For
Extras, at least.


Why is that "so important to you?"


Why does it matter at all to *you*, Len.

It won't affect YOUR amateur privileges.


How do you know?

The official end of Comments on WT Docket 05-235 is 31
October 2005;
official end of Replies to Comments is 14 November 2005.
I am
posting this message on 28 October 2005. Whatever filings
are
there, I'm simply READING them ALL, counting them up,
tabulating them and posting the results.


Allegedly.

There's no age limit on an amateur radio license,
nor on commentary to FCC.


I'm NOT taking any "age limits" in my "score card," Jimmie. :-)

Why do you continue to make whiny little petulant remarks about
things NOT in the "score card?"


I see no need for a minimum age requirement for licensing in
the amateur radio service.


NPRM 05-143 is NOT about U.S. amateur radio license "age
requirements."


Neither was the previous restructuring NPRM. Yet you included
recommendations in your reply comments recommending such a limit.

Grow up.


What does that mean in this context, Len? Should I behave like
you do here?

You have stated here that you have always had problems
integrating
young people into what you consider an adult activity.


Like VOTING if one is below the age limit?


No.

I have NO "problem" with that.

Like getting a driver's license below the state law age
minimum? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like buying alcohol in a store by those below the state law
minimums? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like serving in the armed forces below the age minimum? I have
NO "problem" with that. [you should have NO "problem" with
that since you've never served]

Like getting married before the minimum legal age? I have NO
"problem" with that.


But you have "a problem" with 13 year olds getting amateur radio
licenses.

Because they're relevant to your attitude towards young people.


Tsk. LOTS and LOTS of ordinary folks are all FOR minimum age
requirements in MANY things, Jimmie. I have NO "problems" with
that. YOU have a big PROBLEM with that, though.

I'm not the one recommending an age requirement for a US amateur radio
license. You are. But you can provide no evidence of problems caused by
the lack of such an age requirement.

In fact, an examination of enforcement actions by FCC reveals that many
more serious violations in the ARS are committed by folks closer to
*your* age than by "teeners".

And that means your postings are fair game for comment and
question by
others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable.
They are not
immune to question and/or debat.


Freudian slip, Jimmie.


Typo.

The word is "debate." :-)


That's right. Your postings are fair game for comment and
question by others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They
are not immune to question and/or debate.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio
license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's really all about money to you, isn't it?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... :-

Poor Jimmie? Double-degreed "engineer" and you can't MAKE
ENOUGH to spend over $100 on a rig? :-)


It really *is* all about money to you, Len.

Guess what, Len - I stay up very late to operate my amateur
radio station.


Who cares? :-)


You seem to.

It's YOUR body you are abusing...


How?

[it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]


Ah yes, you advocate violence against those who question your
statements and beliefs.


"Knuckle-spanking" is VIOLENCE?


Yes.

Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.


Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)



Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)



Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.



So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,



Nobody can. You haven't shown it.



Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)



Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.




I'm simply pointing out that you're not going to get an
amateur radio
license.


How is that "important" to YOU? It sure isn't "important" on
NPRM 05-143 what any Commenter is "going to do." :-)

Had you READ ALL the filings, you would have seen some interesting
ones (other than mine, of course) by NON-radio-hobbyists! Try an
educational institution for starters...

If you wanted one, you'd have gotten one years ago.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why? :-)

Get a ham license to "do a 'service' to my country?" :-) Done
the REAL service, Jimmie.

Well, I DID not follow the "accepted formal sequence" by getting an
amateur radio license BEFORE I operated all those transmitters at
ADA long ago...and messed that up by getting a Commercial radio
license after being released from Army service ten years after I
turned the magic age of fourteen. :-)

You don't want one and you're not going to get one.


I don't want your childish, petulant, whiny heckling in here but I
will EXPECT to get thousands of them... :-)

What you really want is something very different.


I want the FCC to make NPRM 05-143 into a Report and Order...without
changes to the basic precepts in the NPRM.


Why? Those changes won't affect you.



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