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November 3rd 05, 12:51 AM
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blast from the past Stevie says that did time or whatever should be left alone but attacks Frank bfor being courtmartailed in the past HYPOCRITE
Steve Robeson K4YZ Dec 14 2001, 8:34 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Dec 2001 13:34:29 GMT Local: Fri, Dec 14 2001 8:34 am Subject: It's Time To Demand A Re-Vamp of the FCC Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse After careful consideration of several events lately, I think it's time to start approaching our representatives and demand that a "kinder, gentler" FCC be replaced by the autocratic nonsense that proliferates today. The FCC of today is a joke. In this authors opinion, it has a long way to go to pull itself out of the shoulder-shrugging, responsibility shirking, hand-washing, pass-the-buck attitude of the 70's and 80's. First of all, the below cited item is one of the "could have said yes but said no "because we can"" instances where the FCC is just a bit too impressed with itself to cooperate with the users of the spectrum. QUOTE: (from ARNewsline) THE 2002 WINTER OLYMPICS: FCC SAYS NO TO SPECIAL CALL SIGN An idea for a special events call sign to celebrate the 2002 Winter Olympics has drawn a negative response from the FCC. Tom Schaefer, NY4I, of Sandy, Utah, had requested that the agency allow amateurs Utah hams to substitute the number 2002 or 02 for the 7 in their callsign. This, for the time period preceding and up to though the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. But after mulling it over for a few months the Schaefer says the agency responded with a definite no: UNQUOTE Never mind that even third-world nations do that very thing (allow temproary changes in calls for Olympic events, or that it would have not required anything more than a blanket STA for the period requested...Heck no...Why allow Amateurs to celebrate one of the truly (or at least as close as it will ever get) de-politicised international events that we can take pride in? ESPECIALLY in the wake of recent events... ! ! ! Example: "We, the FCC, hereby allow any licensed Amateur Radio Operator living within the State of Utah to substitute the figures "2002" for the number "7" in thier callsign for the period of (dates of the event) in recognition of the Olympics. Operators residing in Utah with a numeral other than "7" may substitute thier numeral with the original numeral plus "02", ie K4YZ would be K402YZ. Only stations with a permanent mailing address in Utah may participate. Have a nice day". See how easy that was? Took some GS-5 stenographer 2 minutes to type up and another 30 minutes to get posted to the Federal Register or other authorized media. Second is my aversion to the FCC being allowed to exert it's Victorian opinions on who they consider to be of "good character" to be a "Commission Licensee"...I speak of persons who may have commited a crime in the past, NOT related to radio, and are now prohibited or are sanctioned in thier quest for a license, regardless of which radio service it may be in. I was always of the opinion and understanding that once time was served, one's "debt to society" was paid and they were reassimilated into that society. We are obviously NOT that society if we continue to punish people AFTER their time is served. Next is my concern on the Agency's obvious lack of concern on maintaining a balance between the needs of ALL citizens versus corporations which would seek to make a profit from the finite resources of the electromagnetic spectrum. Again, this author does not believe that the FCC always acts in the best interests of the citizenry, but rather manufacturers and other corporate entities who can talk the smoother line. Evidence the FRS and MURS services, the 220-222mHz debacle, and the recent attempt to liberalize Part 15 radiation limits. NONE of these acts were mandated by the needs of industry to meet an ongoing consumer need...they were done to provide the opportunity to CREATE a market for thier wares. THAT is wrong. Next, I would like to know how the FCC comes up with these horrific fines. While I will be the first to demand that violators be punished and sanctioned, even those acts should be within reason and by the order of a court AFTER due process of law...NOT because the FCC says "Because I Said So"....NAL's are un-Constitutional, in my non-law-school opinion. Lastly, I object in no uncertain terms to the passing of responsibility of radiocommunication regulatory enforcement to agencies OTHER than the FCC or other appropriately trained federal agency. (ie: local police or sheriff's agencies) Yes, local police should have the authority to intervene in cases where a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER exists...to me, this means some jerk jamming local emergency services, navigation aids or law enforcement communications, or being able to take action against persons who are using radio to commit felonies or actively harass other citizens. This would be no more different than a cop arresting someone who just buzzed the Mayor's house. The FAA regulates avaition, but no one would dare suggest that a threat to safety was inappropriate for local law enforcement to take action on. As much as I would like to see the "freeband" mess cleaned up, the passing of laws that allows local law enforcement to do this is wrong. As pointed out by others, it is just one more obligation that already over-burdened officers must now familiarize themselves with, and leaves the door open for misunderstanding and confusion with law abiding users of the radio spectrum. There are other matters that I see occuring with the FCC that give me cause, both as a licensee and as a citizen, to be concerned for the welfare of spectrum management within the United States. It's time to clean house. 73 Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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November 3rd 05, 10:09 AM
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blast from the past...(etc etc) WHERE'S the Hipocracy, Markie?
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November 6th 05, 12:38 AM
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blast from the past...(etc etc) WHERE'S the Hipocracy, Markie?
K4YZ wrote: I'm not quote sure from the illiterate jibberish in Markie's subject line, but I am sure he was refering to this... wrote: Steve Robeson K4YZ Dec 14 2001, 8:34 am show options Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Dec 2001 13:34:29 GMT Local: Fri, Dec 14 2001 8:34 am Subject: It's Time To Demand A Re-Vamp of the FCC Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse SNIP to pertinent quote I was always of the opinion and understanding that once time was served, one's "debt to society" was paid and they were reassimilated into that society. We are obviously NOT that society if we continue to punish people AFTER their time is served. UNQUOTE Two points, Markie...First of all the post you cite is about the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ignoring it's prohibition of subjecting a citizen to double jeopardy...Not "discussion points" in a USENET forum. Secondly, Frankie's courts martials are part-and-parcel of these discussions because HE brought them into it...Had he not made them public, I wouldn't have had a clue... So..Where's the hipocracy? He brought it up, not me. you are the hypocrit you claim people have paid their dues after they serve but you don't apply the statndard you claim to subcribe to so you are a hypocrite plain and simple Steve, K4YZ |
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November 6th 05, 03:43 PM
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blast from the past...(etc etc) WHERE'S the Hipocracy, Markie?
an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: I'm not quote sure from the illiterate jibberish in Markie's subject line, but I am sure he was refering to this... wrote: Steve Robeson K4YZ Dec 14 2001, 8:34 am show options Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Dec 2001 13:34:29 GMT Local: Fri, Dec 14 2001 8:34 am Subject: It's Time To Demand A Re-Vamp of the FCC Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse SNIP to pertinent quote I was always of the opinion and understanding that once time was served, one's "debt to society" was paid and they were reassimilated into that society. We are obviously NOT that society if we continue to punish people AFTER their time is served. UNQUOTE Two points, Markie...First of all the post you cite is about the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ignoring it's prohibition of subjecting a citizen to double jeopardy...Not "discussion points" in a USENET forum. Secondly, Frankie's courts martials are part-and-parcel of these discussions because HE brought them into it...Had he not made them public, I wouldn't have had a clue... So..Where's the hipocracy? He brought it up, not me. you are the hypocrit you claim people have paid their dues after they serve but you don't apply the statndard you claim to subcribe to I reiterate the previous paragraph, Markie... so you are a hypocrite plain and simple Nope. The issue of Frankie's courts martials are a matter of HIS introduction into this forum. Not yours, not mine, not anyone elses...HIS. Try again. Steve, K4YZ |
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November 12th 05, 12:25 AM
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blast from the past...(etc etc) WHERE'S the Hipocracy, Markie?
On 6 Nov 2005 07:43:14 -0800, "Gunny Dudly" wrote in
.com: an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: I'm not quote sure from the illiterate jibberish in Markie's subject line, but I am sure he was refering to this... wrote: Steve Robeson K4YZ Dec 14 2001, 8:34 am show options Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy From: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Dec 2001 13:34:29 GMT Local: Fri, Dec 14 2001 8:34 am Subject: It's Time To Demand A Re-Vamp of the FCC Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse SNIP to pertinent quote I was always of the opinion and understanding that once time was served, one's "debt to society" was paid and they were reassimilated into that society. We are obviously NOT that society if we continue to punish people AFTER their time is served. UNQUOTE Two points, Markie...First of all the post you cite is about the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ignoring it's prohibition of subjecting a citizen to double jeopardy...Not "discussion points" in a USENET forum. Secondly, Frankie's courts martials are part-and-parcel of these discussions because HE brought them into it...Had he not made them public, I wouldn't have had a clue... So..Where's the hipocracy? He brought it up, not me. you are the hypocrit you claim people have paid their dues after they serve but you don't apply the statndard you claim to subcribe to I reiterate the previous paragraph, Markie... so you are a hypocrite plain and simple Nope. The issue of Frankie's courts martials are a matter of HIS introduction into this forum. Not yours, not mine, not anyone elses...HIS. Quite right. But alas, I brought up the issue to make a point on a -different- issue. That issue was you, Dudly: "Assuming you really -are- who you claim, you sure are setting a -=BAD=- example of the discipline both required and expected of a retired Marine Gunny of 18 years (which is bull**** in and of itself) by wasting so much time engaging in flame wars on Usenet. I can get away with it because I was a ****bird..... but you? Heck, if I was USMC retired and behaving the way you do I'd go outside and kick my -own- ass out of respect for the Corps. And -THAT'S- what Semper Fidelis means, Steve." Try again. You should. Steve "Weekend Warrior" Robeson, K4YZ ......a.k.a, Dudly the self-proclaimed overachiever -- TN State Guard, Air Force Aux, LPN, EMT, Amateur radio, and trolling the highways looking for any opportunity to be a hero...... so where do you find the time to post so much crap on Usenet? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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November 12th 05, 02:48 AM
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blast from the past...(etc etc) WHERE'S the Hipocracy, Markie?
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 6 Nov 2005 07:43:14 -0800, "Gunny Dudly" wrote in .com: cut Nope. The issue of Frankie's courts martials are a matter of HIS introduction into this forum. Not yours, not mine, not anyone elses...HIS. Quite right. But alas, I brought up the issue to make a point on a -different- issue. That issue was you, Dudly: "Assuming you really -are- who you claim, you sure are setting a -=BAD=- example of the discipline both required and expected of a retired Marine Gunny of 18 years (which is bull**** in and of itself) by wasting so much time engaging in flame wars on Usenet. I can get away with it because I was a ****bird..... but you? Heck, if I was USMC retired and behaving the way you do I'd go outside and kick my -own- ass out of respect for the Corps. And -THAT'S- what Semper Fidelis means, Steve." Try again. You should. Steve "Weekend Warrior" Robeson, K4YZ .....a.k.a, Dudly the self-proclaimed overachiever -- TN State Guard, Air Force Aux, LPN, EMT, Amateur radio, and trolling the highways looking for any opportunity to be a hero...... so where do you find the time to post so much crap on Usenet? he has to keep trolling for the right "fire" to become a hero |
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