RadioBanter - Windy Anderson's 11/14 Reply to Comments

wrote:
From: on Thurs 17 Nov 2005 02:45

wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am
Dave Heil wrote:

What Len fails to understand is that such carryings-on are simply
delaying The R&O.

But you hadn't taken even the first baby step to getting an amateur
radio license.

WHY was that required?

It's not required.

You haven't explained the "necessity"
of gettng an amateur license FIRST.

Because there is none, Len.

The point is that this newsgroup is about amateur radio. And
the NPRM is about amateur radio and the Morse Code test
to get an amateur radio license.

A license you've never been able to earn.

you really DON'T understand the environment I was
working in/at.

Actually, I do, Len. That environment wasn't amateur radio.
It was military radip, back when *one* new teleprinter cost more
than most amateur radio stations of the time.

Go download:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

Seen it. What's your point? Amateur radio isn't the Army.

...in order to see that environment. NONE of it required any
"baby steps" going FIRST through some hobby license.

Nobody said it did, Len. You were trained at taxpayer expense,
and worked as part of a large supervised team that took care
of that facility.

Actually two errors. Got the date wrong and the sequence with cb.

With all those ERRORS you make, you are getting a reputation
for irrationality and unreliability...

Two errors, Len, and quickly corrected.

What I think happened is this: Len discovered that unlike "book learning",
he didn't pick up on the Morse Code in a few quick lessons.

Looks like that part's true.

starting to look as hateful
as Dudly, always seeking to impugn my "motivations" (that you
think up in your fantasy).

No fantasy involved, just a reading of what you wrote about it. You
simply "GAVE UP".

Heck, you wouldn't even spend the time or money to get/build a suitable
radio receiver and listen to real live Morse Code on the air back
then. Just some tapes copied from records...

There was NO INTELLECTUAL REWARD "waiting," sweetums.

Sure there was - the amateur radio license and all that you could
do with it. Wasn't worth your time? Fine!

So...I already had plenty of REAL experience in PROFESSIONAL
HF radio communications, a First 'Phone (Commercial), and
those were "NOT intellectual?!?"

Nobody said that.

Sounds like what you're saying is that you think your commercial
license
and experience as a military radio technician (not radio operator)
should
somehow give you a magic golden ticket to an amateur radio license. No
way the mighty Anderson should be required to actually *learn*
something
for an *amateur* license...right?

There was NO
INTELLECTUAL reward in it.

Then what's your problem?

YOUR irrationality.

Much ado about nothing, then.

In other words, if it didn't make money for you, it wasn't going to
get your time and effort.

You really can't understand anyone who doesn't have YOUR
immaculate set of "standards" can you?

I understand your "standards" very well, Len. To you, an amateur
radio license wasn't - and still isn't - worth the effort it would
take
for you to learn enough to pass the required tests. Right?

I have no problem with those "standards" at all.

Do you always have to be on the cutting edge, Len? Do you have a
cutting-edge computer?

Close enough.

In other words, no, you don't have a cutting-edge computer.

In 1962 I was 8 years old

5 years later, in 1967, I was a licensed amateur radio operator at age
13. You were not.

I got the Second Phone at age 18, in 1972. Didn't need a First Phone.

You don't tell us why *you* are so interested in something you are
not a part of and most probably never will be.

YOU, still in your baby shoes, aren't worthy of an answer
to your demands for "motivation."

Awwww..."not worthy"?

Are you ashamed of your motivations, Len? Or have I
already stated them, and you're angry that I understand
so much?

When given, you won't
accept any reasonable explanation.

Your explanations aren't complete.

Let's see...I am retired from a successful career (from regular
hours, I still do contract work IF I want to) in electronics
design engineering, have a fine house (all paid for), have a
wonderful wife (who was also my high school sweetheart), have
had enough TITLES and POSITIONS to satisfy me, half century,
a comfortable income to handle easy living now.

You've told us how great things are for you many, many times, Len.
As if all that somehow explains your obsession.

"Obsession?!?" :-)

Yes, Len. You're clearly obsessed with something that doesn't affect
you.

Trying to change federal law is an "obsession?"

Nope. The way you behave in doing so definitely is. Particularly since
the "law" does not really affect you.

It's as if someone from far away from Sun City tried for years to get
the zoning rules there changed, because they *might* want to build
a house there.

Yes, I can see where baby shoe wearers would get petulant and
whiny if their hobby radio toys and merit badges are
threatened...

I wear a size 12 in most shoes, Len. I prefer Saucony running shoes
most of the time. I ran 35 minutes before dawn today - kinda big steps
out there....

I do NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING by getting more TITLES, more
certificates suitable for framing.

Not about that at all.

YES, it IS,

Nobody's asking you to prove anything, Len. It's just odd that you
are so interested in the rules of a radio service that you are so
completely uninvolved with.

But you mention them and your other accomplishments here, and in
comments to FCC, over and over again.

Yet you have no amateur radio license....

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, Jimmie, with that "comparison/analogue" you have exhibited
great IRRATIONALITY.

How? Your accomplishments do not give you a golden ticket to an
amateur radio license.

One of the wonderful things about amateur radio is that all must meet
the same requirements for the license, regardless of other radio
experience, licenses, education, age, income, etc. Always been that
way. The grade schooler has to meet the same license requirement
as the graybeard Ph.D. in EE with multiple patents and other licenses.

That simple equality really seems to burn you.

We are secure
in ourselves. We've "done it" and DON'T need to brag, don't
need more pretty certificates suitable for framing.

Then why are you here?

It is part of a greater effort to eliminate morse code testing
from United States amateur radio regulations on license exams.

Has it made *any* difference? Do you really think your words have
convinced anyone?

And why does it matter to you anyway?

How many times must I repeat that before you understand?

It seems to me that what you most enjoy about amateur radio is insulting
and denigrating radio amateurs via the internet.

Sorry, Jimmie, I only "insult" those poor misguided souls
who think that morse code mode communications is still
"cutting-edge technology skill" in radio.

Incorrect. You insult and denigrate anyone who disagrees with you.

Jimmie, WHY do YOU continue to insult, demean, anatagonize all
who see to remove the code test?

Who is this "Jimmie" you keep referring to? Your imaginary friend?

Why are YOU so obsessed with retaining it?

I'm not. I simply think the Morse Code test does more good than harm.
I think it's a good idea, for reasons stated here and in my Comments
to FCC.

Why are YOU so obsessed with regressing U.S. amateur radio?

I'm not - I'm about progress and moving forward.

Who is this "Jimmie" you speak of?

Yourself. Are you uncomfortable with affectionate, friendly
names?

It's neither affectionate nor friendly.

You are NOT custodian of archaic radio
arts. You've NEVER worked in 24/7 long-haul HF radio traffic
services. You've apparently NEVER done any radio activity
outside of HF.

Actually, I have.

PROVE it by third-party references

I've worked W3RV, K3LT, and many others on VHF FM. Ask them.

Hell, you've never had PRIDE in
what you work at at work

Not me. I'm proud of what I do. I just don't repeat it over and over
and over in an amateur radio newsgroup.

Brother of Dudly, since you NEVER explained what you work at
or where you work, both lacking detail, you will NEVER be
accused of "repeating it over and over and over." :-)

You have done so, so you are guilty...

and try to keep your employer a
big, dark secret...you never talk about it except in very
vague descriptions and implications.

Why should I mention it here, Len? Is there *any* employment that would
change the way you behave towards others who disagree with you?

Brother of Dudly, don't try misdirection again. Tiresome.

Answer the question, Len.

We readers will just put you down as either NOT WORKING or
at some place not associated with electronics at all.

Readers know that you'd simply use my employment - whatever it is -
as another insult venue.

You don't talk shop.

Not here. Why should I?

Why are you so antagonistic to CHANGE,

I'm not. You are. As in "changes to real estate zoning"...

AMATEUR radio is a HOBBY, Jimmie.

And much more, Len. You think the amateurs who went to help
out after the recent hurricanes were only "hobbyists" doing it for
"FUN"?

Thousands and thousands of human being helped the victims
of hurricanes Katrina and Rita. NO amateur radio license
was "required" to HELP A FELLOW HUMAN BEING.

Not required, but very helpful.

Cut out the sensationalist pandering to visceral emotion,
Jimmie. It's so phony.

Tell it to the folks at Electronic Design magazine, Len - a
"PROFESSIONAL" publication:

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

AMATEUR RADIO IS BASICALLY A *HOBBY*. It was never anything
else.

Not just a hobby, though. That seems to really bother you.