KØHB wrote:
(Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

If you're able to copy code, listen to any of the CW subbands -- you'll
find nothing but good operators ....

Jeffrey,

I'm an avid CW user, but your statement above is pure fantasy. Lousy operators
on the CW bands are even MORE prevalent than on phone. Listen around the.058
watering fist watering holes and you find operators so poor it would ****of
Mother Theresa that they're allowed on the air.

to reinforce your point May I inqurie: are you using sarcasm or any
other retoretical method in making that statement

73, de Hans, K0HB
Grand Exalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke

I really hesitate to even appear to lend any credence to the rant below by
even responding ...

However, at the same time I feel compelled to state that, when I had the
pleasure of operating 4U1ITU from ITU HQ in Geneva (not too long after the
US insituted the "Foundation Class"), I happily worked a LOT of M3's
(perhaps 50% of about 300 contacts worked in about 2 hours on 20m) and found
them to be quite well up on how to POLITELY work a DX station in a pile-up
(4U1ITU invariably generates a pileup when someone activates it).

I find the "give the youngsters the cold shoulder" suggestion below to be
itself infantile and it's clearly not in the best interests of the future of
ham radio.
We *must* bring in the kids who will be the future generation of hams -
otherwise when we go SK there will BE no ham radio because there won't be
enough hams to justify our frequency allocations.

73,
Carl - wk3c

"Pierian Spring" wrote in message
oups.com...
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.

Your own response is infantile in parts - if you
disagree, you can be grown-up about it without
indulging in unnecessary gratuitous emotionalisms.

You are missing the point which is that the Hobby that
is about operating is CB Radio. Ham Radio OTOH is a technical
pursuit.

It is not infantile to say that we are adults in a society of
adults and that we do not wish to associate or be assocaited
with children.

The action of "bringing in" is also misguided - those of
a technical bent who are our natural successors will
gravitate towards us. We do not need to, nor should we,
go out and press non-technical ignoramuses and persuade
them that to think that they are Radio Hams.

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
I really hesitate to even appear to lend any credence to the rant below by
even responding ...
However, at the same time I feel compelled to state that, when I had the
pleasure of operating 4U1ITU from ITU HQ in Geneva (not too long after the
US insituted the "Foundation Class"), I happily worked a LOT of M3's
(perhaps 50% of about 300 contacts worked in about 2 hours on 20m) and found
them to be quite well up on how to POLITELY work a DX station in a pile-up
(4U1ITU invariably generates a pileup when someone activates it).
I find the "give the youngsters the cold shoulder" suggestion below to be
itself infantile and it's clearly not in the best interests of the future of
ham radio.
We *must* bring in the kids who will be the future generation of hams -
otherwise when we go SK there will BE no ham radio because there won't be
enough hams to justify our frequency allocations.

Orator For Decency wrote:

The action of "bringing in" is also misguided - those of
a technical bent who are our natural successors will
gravitate towards us. We do not need to, nor should we,
go out and press non-technical ignoramuses and persuade
them that to think that they are Radio Hams.


Great, so let's demolish all the university's then.
--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925

Nedlar wrote:
On 29 Dec 2005 17:08:43 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman)
wrote:

"Peter" wrote in message
CW does not make you a better radio amateur but it does give some

If you're able to copy code, listen to any of the CW subbands -- you'll
find nothing but good operators -- you'll hear none of the nonsense that
occurs on the phone segments of the bands.

Jeff KH6O

Well said Jeff.

not true by what I hear

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
I really hesitate to even appear to lend any credence to the rant below
by even responding ...

However, at the same time I feel compelled to state that, when I had the
pleasure of operating 4U1ITU from ITU HQ in Geneva (not too long after
the US insituted the "Foundation Class"), I happily worked a LOT of M3's
(perhaps 50% of about 300 contacts worked in about 2 hours on 20m)

Did you ever wonder how /so/ many were ever able to break the pile up
with 10w? Are you beginning to get the drift?
--
Proud Holder of Old Nick's Deputy First Class Badge

pointyhead wrote:
Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
I really hesitate to even appear to lend any credence to the rant
below by even responding ...

However, at the same time I feel compelled to state that, when I had
the pleasure of operating 4U1ITU from ITU HQ in Geneva (not too long
after the US insituted the "Foundation Class"), I happily worked a
LOT of M3's (perhaps 50% of about 300 contacts worked in about 2
hours on 20m)

Did you ever wonder how /so/ many were ever able to break the pile up
with 10w? Are you beginning to get the drift?

Depending on the location of the rx to the tx, dropping power can sometimes
increase the chances of getting through.

--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925

huLLy wrote:

Depending on the location of the rx to the tx, dropping power can sometimes
increase the chances of getting through.

Aye, and I'll bet they all had their PL259's well soaked in brine.

--
Proud Holder of Old Nick's Deputy First Class Badge

At 370 posts in only 4 days, it certainly seems as though
this is an idea whose time has come!

What a pity, though, that a number of the posts in the thread
served to illustrate the childish behaviour being criticised. Has
the infantility of the 6-year-old mind and its M3/CB Fools'
Licence contaminated Radio Hammery to that extent?

TIME TO PUT THE PROPOSALS BELOW INTO IMMEDIATE EFFECT!

Pierian Spring wrote:
It seems that anyone of those who are involved
in any way with childrens' organisations or with
the inducing of children to tackle the kindergarten
entrance examination (that is represented by
the 6-year-olds' qualification of the M3/CB Fools'
Licence) exhibit behavioural traits - infantile
outbursts, deliberately insulting tirades and
vicious temper tantrums - that one would expect only
from the children in their care.

Is it time for all _REAL_ Radio Hams to refuse
to have anything to do with such mental derangees
and their charges, and institute an age bar, perhaps
16-years-old, below which we will not associate in any
way?

Only then, by making it clear that young children are
not, and cannot be in any way, part of the society
of adult technocrats that is Radio Hammery will be be
able to influence them not to attempt to join us until
they have achieved maturity?

Word will soon get around if children who have been
conned by the various Billies-No_Mates into going
for the M3/CB fools' Licence find that no-one will
speak to them.

on 30/12/2005 10:32 Orator For Dementia said the following:
At 370 posts in only 4 days, it certainly seems as though
this is an idea whose time has come!

What a pity, though, that a number of the posts in the thread
served to illustrate the childish behaviour being criticised. Has
the infantility of the 6-year-old mind and its M3/CB Fools'
Licence contaminated Radio Hammery to that extent?

TIME TO PUT THE PROPOSALS BELOW INTO IMMEDIATE EFFECT!

I see the voices in your head have made you answer your own post again.
....(_!_)...