From: Jeffrey Herman on Jan 1, 3:27 pm


wrote:

I aslo dont like poeple that show off there buliding equipment abilites
makes you sound like a showoff

If you knew anything about the history of amateur radio, then you'd know
there was a time when all hams had to build all their equipment
practically from scratch

Jeff, this new year (2006) is NOT 1896...when radio was
first demonstrated as a communications meadium.

This isn't 1906 either, a time when practically ALL radios,
amateur or commercial, had to be "built from scratch."

Today, if you have the "scratch," you can CHOOSE to either
build a radio from components (dozens of major parts
vendors) or buy them ready-made, ready-to-use. If you
look at "shack photos" in the ham publications from the
last half century of issues, you will see MOST of them
contain ready-built radio equipment.

In my career experience I've learned to not only DESIGN
radio equipment of many types but have learned all the
steps to fabricate them, test them in the lab, test them
in the field. But, that's "hands-on engineering
responsibility" and is NOT a requirement for an amateur
radio license nor is it a requirement to use radios.
I can - and have - done just that..."building from
scratch" but only because I WANTED to do so for myself.
Most of my radio-electronics equipment is ready-built,
not because I "can't do it" (I can) but because it is
much, much easier for me to do so.

Amateur radio is a HOBBY, not a union, craft, or guild.
Nowhere is there a die-hard "necessity" to retain ALL
the "traditions" such as "building from scratch" as it
had to be done a hundred years ago.

Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

Heh heh, I was born not too far from Galena, IL, where
the vital "crystals" for the first crystal receiving
sets were obtained. My first "radio" was a Philmore
crystal set KIT with the galena crystal already mined
and mounted in a piece of lead (circa 1946). :-)


Whatever.

Try to remain one of the "higher class" of amateurs, Jeff,
don't admonish everyone who doesn't share your opinions.

It's fine and dandy you are a rapid-fire morseman, thanks
to the USCG. However, the USCG isn't amateur radio.
Neither is the University of Hawaii where you "lecture"
students at a community college. Morsemanship necessity
for federal permission to operate amateur equipment below
30 MHz is on the way OUT. Try to accept that.

Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs, either.


No 73 for you,

...and none for you either. shrug

Good luck on your efforts to ENFORCE TRADITION and bringing
back the home-built spark transmitter a la 1906...

Sincerely,

On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in
.com:

snip
Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]


Check this out:

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/index.html









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From: Frank Gilliland on Sun, Jan 1 2006 5:27 pm

On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in


snip
Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

Check this out:

http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/index.html

Heh heh...I saw that website about when it was begun...that
guy has been having fun with all sorts of projects in true
do-it-yourself spirit! :-)

The section on Tesla coils and stuff akin to that is not a
"clean" source of fun. Those things and their discharges
can do quite a bit of broadband RF pollution.

On 2 Jan 2006 13:15:54 -0800, wrote in
.com:

snip
The section on Tesla coils and stuff akin to that is not a
"clean" source of fun. Those things and their discharges
can do quite a bit of broadband RF pollution.


Yeah, but I can make a long list of common things that are just as
noisy, not the least of which is my asshole neighbor who refuses to
replace the ballast cap in his flood light!







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On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in
Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

There was a fellow who did construct his own tubes. See the
publication "50 Years of ARRL".

Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in
Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

It's so easy to look up facts nowadays, I'm surprised that you were
unable to find this: "A 17-year-old named Haddaway had built his
entire station from absolute scratch, including the making of his
own vacuum tubes...." QST February 1921.

See? Fact, not an opinion attempted to be passed as a fact. You should
try that sometime. But then that would be impossible for you, for
you'd have to list references.

Jeff KH6O
--
Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard
Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System

From: (Jeffrey Herman) on Tues, Jan 3 2006 6:57 am

On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in

Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

There was a fellow who did construct his own tubes. See the
publication "50 Years of ARRL".

Jeffie, if it's all the same to you (and it won't be),
I'll just "see" some professional documents from RCA, GE,
Raytheon, Westinghouse, etc., on "constructing" tubes.
They've had a few years of experience in that, wouldn't
you say? I'd have to travel a few thousand miles away
to get most of that info and there's little return-on-
investment of my time to do that in order to satisfy
a league Believer. Not this week for me.

Frank Gilliland thoughtfully provided a link to an
EXPERIMENTER'S website on the "constructing" of tubes.

Further, having been in correspondence with G0UPL in
the UK, I have some further links (and some interesting
downloads) on making one's own glow-discharge numeric
indicator ("Nixie" tm of Burroughs Corp.) displays.

All that might be academically intersting to leaf
through to some...who will probably never ever pull a
good vacuum for any purpose (other than getting a
vacuous response in newsgroupie-ism).

I really DON'T think it is interesting to me to know
all about "constructing vacuum tubes" as given by some
amateur radio membership organization publication.
Tubes (vacuum tubes, that is) can still be purchased
where needed for replacement purposes. The cost is 5
to 20 times what it once was (depending on demand), but
then there's not much of a demand for those things.

"Constructing" a vacuum tube innards is relatively easy.
The truly difficult part is pulling a good vacuum on the
bulb and getting rid of extraneous gasses within. Now,
I've had some slight experience on "pulling a good vacuum"
for testing purposes and that requires considerable work
and expensive equipment. [Torricelli would be amazed at
the processes used over a half-century ago in production
vacuum tube work]

Better yet, Jeffie, why don't you get REALLY "build-
from-scratch" and go mine natural quartz in Brazil,
then bring it home to the islands and slice it up to
the right crystal angle, grind it down to the right
thickness, measure it to better than 10 PPM in
frequency, mount it in your own holder, and use it for
your super-spay-shull build-it-yourself super-duper
QRP transmitter for use in the year 2006?

Gosh, I think re-visiting the 1920s in amateur radio is
such great fun in building-it-oneself, don't you? :-)

I'll bet you even have a forge and an anvil so that you
can make horseshoes for your land transport. Real do-it-
yourself projects with a practical side!

Have you slaughtered and skinned animals, cured the
hides, sewn the leather pieces together to make a saddle
for that land transport? Does the ARRL have a
publication covering that? Why not? The Army Signal
Corps designed and had Motorola make a "horse mobile"
two-way HF radio in 1943. It was called "the pogo
stick." Of course the mounted cavalry was disbanded
before production was finished, but that's another
story entirely.

Start preparing for your regular work. Classes begin
on 9 Jan 06, don't they?

Thank you ever so much and buy, buy,

wrote:
From: (Jeffrey Herman) on Tues, Jan 3 2006 6:57 am

On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in

Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

There was a fellow who did construct his own tubes. See the
publication "50 Years of ARRL".

Jeffie...(SNIP)...No need to go any further.

In as much as Jeff has NOT used such diminutives for Len, I
wonder where Markie's righteous indignation about "rudeness" is...?!?!

Or does such "indignation" not extend to others outside the
Circle of the Feeble Five?

Steve, K4YZ

On 3 Jan 2006 23:29:51 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:


wrote:
From: (Jeffrey Herman) on Tues, Jan 3 2006 6:57 am

On 1 Jan 2006 16:52:58 -0800, wrote in

Now, if you want to "build from scratch" totally, you
will have to learn to SUCK all the air out of the tubes
you build for yourself (honoring the "tradition").
That's rather difficult (truly, vacuum sucks)...but
much, much easier than first creating ultra-pure
silicon and then doping the microscopic areas on it to
become the solid-state device you need. [sorry you
can't build "spark" transmitters...those being forbidden
in these modern times unlike a hundred years ago]

There was a fellow who did construct his own tubes. See the
publication "50 Years of ARRL".

Jeffie...(SNIP)...No need to go any further.

In as much as Jeff has NOT used such diminutives for Len, I
wonder where Markie's righteous indignation about "rudeness" is...?!?!

stevei other than you justlied and therefore it seems abused another
kid

I have never claim this exact tit for tat you seem to obseesed with

Jeff manner is insulting there "jeffie" or" asshole"" or moran or
whatever Len chooses to use is proper

Or does such "indignation" not extend to others outside the
Circle of the Feeble Five?

Steve, K4YZ

everyone should be advised that The following person
has been advocating the abuse of elders making false charges of child rape, rape in general forges post and name

he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes
he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable

STEVEN J ROBESON
151 12TH AVE NW
WINCHESTER TN 37398
931-967-6282

well stevie you assked for it you got it
Mark Morgan


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wrote:
On 3 Jan 2006 23:29:51 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
wrote:
From: (Jeffrey Herman) on Tues, Jan 3 2006 6:57 am

Jeffie...(SNIP)...No need to go any further.

In as much as Jeff has NOT used such diminutives for Len, I
wonder where Markie's righteous indignation about "rudeness" is...?!?!

stevei other than you justlied and therefore it seems abused another
kid

Markie, you typed more indecipherable words.

I have never claim this exact tit for tat you seem to obseesed with

What? WHAT are you saying? PLEASE do it in ENGLISH!

Jeff manner is insulting there "jeffie" or" ###hole"" or moran or
whatever Len chooses to use is proper

No, it's not.

According to Lennie, anyway.

Lennie has blatantly lied in the past stating that he does not sue
such dimunuitives where he is not so subjected, but here he is doing it
A G A I N ! ! ! ! !

And he has his illiterate Michigan sock puppet to "back him up".
He must be sooooooooooooooo proud!

Steve, K4YZ