U-Know-Who wrote:
"Slow Code" wrote in message
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Maybe now people will see dumbing down ham radio was a bad idea.

SC

Well, hopefully it really won't matter too much. I personally hope they take
your coveted HF bands for worldwide data communications, and outlaw HF ham
radio altogether.
such a negitve attaudte tom you are nothing but hate filled why don't
seek treament a few drugs and you will feel better

"U-Know-Who" wrote in
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"Slow Code" wrote in message
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Thanks Jim,

Maybe now people will see dumbing down ham radio was a bad idea.

SC

Well, hopefully it really won't matter too much. I personally hope they
take your coveted HF bands for worldwide data communications, and outlaw
HF ham radio altogether. You can then hook your key up to a buzzer and
code yourself into the grave.

HTH


I'd rather hook my key to a cattle prod and teach your lazy ass some spark.

SC

These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals
on the stated dates, and the percentage of
the total number of active licenses that
class contains:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329 (7.3%)
Technician - 205,394 (30.4%)
Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%)
General - 112,677 (16.7%)
Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%)
Extra - 78,750 (11.7%)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%)

Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%)

Total all classes - 674,792

As of November 1, 2006:

Novice - 24,154 (3.7%) [decrease of 25,175]
Technician - 287,444 (43.7%) [increase of 82,050]
Technician Plus - 34,786 (5.3%) [decrease of 94,074]
General - 131,994 (20.1%) [increase of 19,317]
Advanced - 70,607 (10.7%) [decrease of 29,175]
Extra - 108,563 (16.5%) [increase of 29,813]

(percentages may not add up to exactly 100.0% due to rounding)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 322,230 (49.0%) [decrease of 12,024]

Total General/Advanced/Extra - 311,164 (47.3%) [increase of 19,955]

Total all classes - 657,548 (decrease of 17,244)

Note that these totals do not include licenses
that have expired but are in the grace period.

They also do not include club, military
or other station-only licenses.

Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new
Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses
are no longer issued.

Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing
Technician Plus licenses as Technician. By May of
2010, the number of Technician Plus licenses will drop
to zero, because all of them will have been renewed as
Technician or allowed to expire. It is therefore
informative to consider the totals of the two classes,
since the Technician class includes a significant
number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as
Technician.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:

As of November 1, 2006:

Novice - 24,154 (3.7%) [decrease of 25,175]
Technician - 287,444 (43.7%) [increase of 82,050]
Technician Plus - 34,786 (5.3%) [decrease of 94,074]
General - 131,994 (20.1%) [increase of 19,317]
Advanced - 70,607 (10.7%) [decrease of 29,175]
Extra - 108,563 (16.5%) [increase of 29,813]

The point being that the Coded Amateurs are REALLY almost 60% of
the Amateur population when one figures in the Tech Plus folks who have
already been assimilated into the vanilla Technician.

Those are numbers that political appointees are impressed by.

Perhaps it's that simple math that prevents the FCC from
broadstroking the code test out of existence...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

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wrote:

As of November 1, 2006:

Novice - 24,154 (3.7%) [decrease of 25,175]
Technician - 287,444 (43.7%) [increase of 82,050]
Technician Plus - 34,786 (5.3%) [decrease of 94,074]
General - 131,994 (20.1%) [increase of 19,317]
Advanced - 70,607 (10.7%) [decrease of 29,175]
Extra - 108,563 (16.5%) [increase of 29,813]

The point being that the Coded Amateurs are REALLY almost 60% of
the Amateur population when one figures in the Tech Plus folks who have
already been assimilated into the vanilla Technician.

Those are numbers that political appointees are impressed by.

Perhaps it's that simple math that prevents the FCC from
broadstroking the code test out of existence...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ


Hello Steve,

Bear in mind that only 10.7% are *known* to have passed 13 words per minute
(advanced).

I honestly expect that the FCC will likely eliminate code testing but as to
when, I haven't a clue.

There are also modes (PSK) that use *less* bandwidth than CW, although it
appears that voice seems to be the most popular. It would be nice to see
some expansion of the HF amateur bands, but a number of 3rd world countries
are relying on HF rather than satellite, so I'm not holding my breath LOL.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Jim Hampton wrote:

Bear in mind that only 10.7% are *known* to have passed 13 words per minute
(advanced).

No, that's not known.

For about 10 years before the 2000 restructuring, (1990-2000), the
Advanced was available with only 5 wpm code if you had a medical
waiver.

It was also possible to get a "5 wpm Advanced" for about a year after
the 2000 restructuring, by the use of CSCEs.

So the possession of an Advanced license, by itself, is no more proof
of having passed 13 wpm than an Extra is proof of 20 wpm.

I honestly expect that the FCC will likely eliminate code testing but as to
when, I haven't a clue.

I'm surprised it's taken this long. Almost 3-1/2 years since the treaty
changed, and the rules are the same as six years ago.

There are also modes (PSK) that use *less* bandwidth than CW, although it
appears that voice seems to be the most popular.

Yup - they have their weaknesses and their strengths. More tools in the
toolbox.

It would be nice to see
some expansion of the HF amateur bands, but a number of 3rd world countries
are relying on HF rather than satellite, so I'm not holding my breath LOL.

The SWBC folks are moving out of 7100-7200 - that effectively widens
the 40 meter band.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:

As of November 1, 2006:

Novice - 24,154 (3.7%) [decrease of 25,175]
Technician - 287,444 (43.7%) [increase of 82,050]
Technician Plus - 34,786 (5.3%) [decrease of 94,074]
General - 131,994 (20.1%) [increase of 19,317]
Advanced - 70,607 (10.7%) [decrease of 29,175]
Extra - 108,563 (16.5%) [increase of 29,813]

The point being that the Coded Amateurs are REALLY almost 60% of
the Amateur population when one figures in the Tech Plus folks who have
already been assimilated into the vanilla Technician.

Those are numbers that political appointees are impressed by.

Perhaps it's that simple math that prevents the FCC from
broadstroking the code test out of existence...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ


Hello Steve,

Bear in mind that only 10.7% are *known* to have passed 13 words per
minute
(advanced).


However, not quite correct. It just takes more digging into the database to
get that info. You can look up previous license class on any individual.
If an Extra's previous license shows as Advanced, you will then also *know*
that they passed the 13wpm. You can also look at the record and see if they
have upgraded since April 2000. If they held their General or Advanced
prior to then, you *know* that they passed the 13wpm. For Extras, you can
determine if they received their Extra before that date or not and *know*
that they passed the 20wpm. However, it's probably more effort than it is
worth to get that deep into the data.

As I understand the postings on license numbers, it is basically to see if
there has been any effect on the growth of amateur radio.

I honestly expect that the FCC will likely eliminate code testing but as
to
when, I haven't a clue.


I suspect that you are correct.


There are also modes (PSK) that use *less* bandwidth than CW, although it
appears that voice seems to be the most popular. It would be nice to see
some expansion of the HF amateur bands, but a number of 3rd world
countries
are relying on HF rather than satellite, so I'm not holding my breath LOL.


Bandwidth isn't the only parameter. Each mode has its strengths and
weaknesses.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


Dee, N8UZE

wrote in message
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Jim Hampton wrote:

Bear in mind that only 10.7% are *known* to have passed 13 words per
minute
(advanced).

No, that's not known.

For about 10 years before the 2000 restructuring, (1990-2000), the
Advanced was available with only 5 wpm code if you had a medical
waiver.

It was also possible to get a "5 wpm Advanced" for about a year after
the 2000 restructuring, by the use of CSCEs.

So the possession of an Advanced license, by itself, is no more proof
of having passed 13 wpm than an Extra is proof of 20 wpm.


I'd momentarily forgotten the waivers when I made my previous post. My
ex-husband had severe hearing problems (both loss of hearing and tinnitus).
He passed the 5wpm and had medical waivers for the 13wpm and 20wpm.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Jim Hampton wrote:

Bear in mind that only 10.7% are *known* to have passed 13 words per
minute
(advanced).

No, that's not known.

For about 10 years before the 2000 restructuring, (1990-2000), the
Advanced was available with only 5 wpm code if you had a medical
waiver.

It was also possible to get a "5 wpm Advanced" for about a year after
the 2000 restructuring, by the use of CSCEs.

So the possession of an Advanced license, by itself, is no more proof
of having passed 13 wpm than an Extra is proof of 20 wpm.


I'd momentarily forgotten the waivers when I made my previous post. My
ex-husband had severe hearing problems (both loss of hearing and tinnitus).
He passed the 5wpm and had medical waivers for the 13wpm and 20wpm.

Dee, N8UZE
which means BTW acording to most of your fellow ProCoders he wasn't a
real ham
althought the Nocoder like myself adknowledge that you use the rules as
they arte written

wrote in
oups.com:

These are the numbers of current, unexpired
amateur radio licenses held by individuals
on the stated dates, and the percentage of
the total number of active licenses that
class contains:

As of May 14, 2000:

Novice - 49,329 (7.3%)
Technician - 205,394 (30.4%)
Technician Plus - 128,860 (19.1%)
General - 112,677 (16.7%)
Advanced - 99,782 (14.8%)
Extra - 78,750 (11.7%)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 334,254 (49.5%)

Total General/Advanced/Extra - 291,209 (43.2%)

Total all classes - 674,792

As of November 1, 2006:

Novice - 24,154 (3.7%) [decrease of 25,175]
Technician - 287,444 (43.7%) [increase of 82,050]
Technician Plus - 34,786 (5.3%) [decrease of 94,074]
General - 131,994 (20.1%) [increase of 19,317]
Advanced - 70,607 (10.7%) [decrease of 29,175]
Extra - 108,563 (16.5%) [increase of 29,813]

(percentages may not add up to exactly 100.0% due to rounding)

Total Tech/TechPlus - 322,230 (49.0%) [decrease of 12,024]

Total General/Advanced/Extra - 311,164 (47.3%) [increase of 19,955]

Total all classes - 657,548 (decrease of 17,244)

Note that these totals do not include licenses
that have expired but are in the grace period.

They also do not include club, military
or other station-only licenses.

Note also that effective April 15, 2000, new
Novice, Technician Plus and Advanced licenses
are no longer issued.

Since April 15, 2000, FCC has renewed all existing
Technician Plus licenses as Technician. By May of
2010, the number of Technician Plus licenses will drop
to zero, because all of them will have been renewed as
Technician or allowed to expire. It is therefore
informative to consider the totals of the two classes,
since the Technician class includes a significant
number of Technician Plus licenses renewed as
Technician.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Thanks for posting that Jim. Maybe now people will see dumbing down ham
radio was a bad idea.

SC