"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

My brother and I practically rebuilt his 64 T-Bird right in the
driveway. If I was bothering anybody, nobody spoke up.

But if you were selling your home and I had a 1980 rusted Honda on blocks
plus a used beer keg as a 'bird bath', do you honestly think that everyone
that looked at your home wouldn't mind me as your neighbor? That is the
whole point of covenants. Something that protects me when I want to sell.
I could careless about my property value going up, as long as I could break
even it would be better than renting. However, even if your price is
low...having the wrong neighbor could mean 3 people that would have bought
will change their mind. Now I am running out of time, dipping into my cash
reserve, etc. trying to keep my old home and pay for a 6 month lease in my
new city where I work. I personally will not live with covenants. City
ordinances are bad enough!!! My goal is to live in the city I work and get
a home for $90K. Save, save, and save some more until I can get a home not
in a neighborhood that won't be annexed for a while. If it's annexed, I
think it will be time to move even further north. I would rather have to
buy Hondas that will last 200K miles if it means living free.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

That is not the purpose of eminent domain laws. If the law has been
abused
in such a manner, then the citizens affected should be filing a class
action
suit.

"Filing a class action"? Give me a break. More like locking and
loading!!!!! Just kidding

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:40:16 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

As has been pointed out almost innumerable times already. Did you just
discover this thread? grin

Oh well, I haven't put my 2 cents in yet, so I might as well do it
now.

While I kind of agree with the "...if you dont think you like it, then
don't sign it" philosophy, I think the restrictions are often carried
beyond the realm of common sense. A fairly inconspicous rooftop
antenna, a window in your grage, or an untattered flag on your porch
is a far cry from putting a rusted out RV on your front lawn for
storage shed, allowing your lawn to grow high enough to hide in, or
painting your house "Shocking Pink with Turquoise Trim." g Of
course, I said a fairly inconspicous rooftop antenna, *not* a 50'
backyard tower with an monster multiband Yagi...

Then again, it's not the actual restrictive covenants themselves that
I'm against. The fascist attitudes of many HOA board members alone
makes me refuse to even consider buying a property in such a
community. Not to mention the the "stuck-up" antisocial mentality of
many of the homeowners who would be my neighbors.

I don't need restrictive covenants to keep neighbors from becoming
nuisances, either. There are nearly always local laws and ordinances
dealing with noise, nuisance and safety and health, and agencies that
do enforce them.

You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own. I'm satisfied with
democracy and the spirit of *responsible freedom* that makes America
great. Just keep your HOA's out of my *free* neighborhood.

73

jack


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wrote in message ...
Some of us are licensed ham
and enjoy our hobby as you do. Just because we move into a new home in a
new area why should we give up the hobby we so enjoy? We shouldn't have
too.

I collect junk Hondas (to sell parts and repair them at a garage) and need
my yard to store them on. I shouldn't have to give that up just because I
move into a new home in a new area. Why should I have to give up the hobby
I so enjoy? I souldn't have too!!!!!!

"WilleeCue" wrote in message
...

I would be looking at a rual area where there is lots of trees to hang
wire
from and lots of ground to plant towers.

How dare anyone be forced to have to drive 20 miles to Wal-mart or nice
restaurants to eat!!

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

So punish your friendly neighbors because some panel of 5 or so people are
dicks? When you come to my door after causing your interference to borrow a
tool, you'll get a big "**** OFF COCK SUCKER!!" Being an asshole to people
who didn't have anything to do with some busy body two streets over
shouldn't get treated like this. Anyone who does this to me will just mean
constant complaints to the FCC. The immediate cessation of my kids being
able to even look at your kids. Not helping you in any way shape or form.
The list goes on and on. If anyone here has a ham who acts like this, form
a "**** you!" circle of like neighbors (those of us who didn't complain, etc
about the tower) and treat the ham like the ass he/she is. Then in 10 years
when the for sale sign goes up, remember to kindly give the finger to anyone
stopping by to look at the house. Also it might be time to start the junk
car collection. Keep proof that the home owners association allows for
rules to be bent. Then pool money for a lawyer saying that since they allow
for x, y, and z they damn sure are going to allow for a, b, and c.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:18:09 GMT, "CW"
wrote:

Anytime I hear that statement I just right of the person saying it as an
idiot. I haven't been wrong on that one yet.

Hehehe... You never truly own a home. Even when the mortgage is
finally paid off, all you've done is paid off the bank. Now that you
officially "own" your home, just try not paying the taxes, insurance
or garbage pickup / snowplowing fees. See how long you own it for...
g

BTW, I just love those artificial municipal fees... I was forced to
pay $150 per year for snow plowing fees in a community where it snowed
maybe once or twice a year and usually not more than an inch at most!
Most years they never plowed a single road. My particular street
NEVER saw a snow plow in the 20 years my family lived there.

At least there wasn't an HOA or covenants to deal with. I could have
a rooftop antenna. In fact even after several neighbors put up
antennas (total: 2 CB'ers, several houses with vhf/uhf TV antennas,
and myself with a several vhf/uhf Yagi's and a SWL random-wire running
the length of the roof), our assessments continued to rise, not go
down. My chain-link fence actually made my home more valuable when I
sold it a decade ago, though that was probably just a quirk of the
buyer. g

-jack-

"WilleeCue" wrote in message
. ..
The great American spoof is "home ownership".
If you ever think you really "own" your home just stop paying money for it
and see what happens!



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"Jack" wrote in message
...

You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own.

I agree with your assessment of HOAs. They are usually worse that the
government with all their rules and regulations. However, I also find it
sickening that grown adults will enter into a contract and then whine about
not being able to violate the contract. With covenants, the rules are not
weighted. They are all equal. If someone put up an antenna and I or
someone else complained and they made an 'exception', then I would quit
cutting my grass and get a lawyer (if I had too) for my exception. I think
many of these problems come from areas where housing costs to damn much. I
live in the Indy area. Rural homes can be had for $100K for decent to $140K
and you can get a lot of that. The only thing is that you will have to
drive 10 miles to a mall and restaurants. That is why a lot of people
complain because they want to have their cake and eat it too. If every
addition in the yuppie suburban county near 'x' city has covenants....DO NOT
LIVE THERE!! If ham and short-wave is that important in your life, get a
Honda and just put up with the extra 10 miles you have to drive to work. I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!). However, 1/4 mile away on some of
the older farm homes...antennas would be bad at all.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:22:55 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:

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I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!).

I take it that you don't have anti-antenna covenants in your
neighborhood. Why don't you simply move to a closed-gate community
where the antennas you don't like are restricted instead of being an a
total jerkazoid?

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

-jack-

"Jack" wrote in message
...

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

There are no rules. If someone puts up a huge antenna in our
neighborhood....fine. I will then put up something that looks just as
stupid. Many of the people in my area who have huge antennas usually live
more rural and don't live in an addition. I am also only talking about
these super high antennas. A very small antenna wouldn't bother me too
much. Thing is that if I decided to make my yard an antenna field and put
about 3-4 high antennas on my roof to cover everything, then ham wouldn't
care. However, something tells me that if he/she had to sell their home
they would take down their antenna first and ask me to do the same if a
realtor said my antennas were driving potential buyers away. That's the
hypocrisy I don't like.