On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:40:16 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:


wrote in message ...
Thank you.... .......

I am moving into a housing plan with such antenna restrictions. But
what housing plan doesn't have them. There is always someone trying to
tell some else how to live their lives, or knows what's best for you.

You people amaze me. If you don't like covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The whole reason for the rules are to keep everything in
check. Something tells me that neither of you would wants someone putting
up some rusted out, 1970s RV and using it as a shed if the rules made that
'illegal'

As has been pointed out almost innumerable times already. Did you just
discover this thread? grin

Oh well, I haven't put my 2 cents in yet, so I might as well do it
now.

While I kind of agree with the "...if you dont think you like it, then
don't sign it" philosophy, I think the restrictions are often carried
beyond the realm of common sense. A fairly inconspicous rooftop
antenna, a window in your grage, or an untattered flag on your porch
is a far cry from putting a rusted out RV on your front lawn for
storage shed, allowing your lawn to grow high enough to hide in, or
painting your house "Shocking Pink with Turquoise Trim." g Of
course, I said a fairly inconspicous rooftop antenna, *not* a 50'
backyard tower with an monster multiband Yagi...

Then again, it's not the actual restrictive covenants themselves that
I'm against. The fascist attitudes of many HOA board members alone
makes me refuse to even consider buying a property in such a
community. Not to mention the the "stuck-up" antisocial mentality of
many of the homeowners who would be my neighbors.

I don't need restrictive covenants to keep neighbors from becoming
nuisances, either. There are nearly always local laws and ordinances
dealing with noise, nuisance and safety and health, and agencies that
do enforce them.

You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own. I'm satisfied with
democracy and the spirit of *responsible freedom* that makes America
great. Just keep your HOA's out of my *free* neighborhood.

73

jack


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"Jack" wrote in message
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You are perfectly welcome to closed-communities, HOA's and
restrictions on what you can do with what you own.

I agree with your assessment of HOAs. They are usually worse that the
government with all their rules and regulations. However, I also find it
sickening that grown adults will enter into a contract and then whine about
not being able to violate the contract. With covenants, the rules are not
weighted. They are all equal. If someone put up an antenna and I or
someone else complained and they made an 'exception', then I would quit
cutting my grass and get a lawyer (if I had too) for my exception. I think
many of these problems come from areas where housing costs to damn much. I
live in the Indy area. Rural homes can be had for $100K for decent to $140K
and you can get a lot of that. The only thing is that you will have to
drive 10 miles to a mall and restaurants. That is why a lot of people
complain because they want to have their cake and eat it too. If every
addition in the yuppie suburban county near 'x' city has covenants....DO NOT
LIVE THERE!! If ham and short-wave is that important in your life, get a
Honda and just put up with the extra 10 miles you have to drive to work. I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!). However, 1/4 mile away on some of
the older farm homes...antennas would be bad at all.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:22:55 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:

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I
have been living semi-rural for all my life. This area is getting more and
more homes in. In my addition, an antenna would look stupid. I would put
cars on bricks just to get back at some idiot who did that (though I might
wait until the for sale sign goes up!!!).

I take it that you don't have anti-antenna covenants in your
neighborhood. Why don't you simply move to a closed-gate community
where the antennas you don't like are restricted instead of being an a
total jerkazoid?

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

-jack-

"Jack" wrote in message
...

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

There are no rules. If someone puts up a huge antenna in our
neighborhood....fine. I will then put up something that looks just as
stupid. Many of the people in my area who have huge antennas usually live
more rural and don't live in an addition. I am also only talking about
these super high antennas. A very small antenna wouldn't bother me too
much. Thing is that if I decided to make my yard an antenna field and put
about 3-4 high antennas on my roof to cover everything, then ham wouldn't
care. However, something tells me that if he/she had to sell their home
they would take down their antenna first and ask me to do the same if a
realtor said my antennas were driving potential buyers away. That's the
hypocrisy I don't like.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:33:22 GMT, "Midwest Kid"
wrote:


"Jack" wrote in message
.. .

You want *other* people to abide by rules set by their communities but
you don't seem to be able to live even with your own rules. Damn
hypocrite, I say!

There are no rules. If someone puts up a huge antenna in our
neighborhood....fine. I will then put up something that looks just as
stupid. Many of the people in my area who have huge antennas usually live
more rural and don't live in an addition. I am also only talking about
these super high antennas. A very small antenna wouldn't bother me too
much. Thing is that if I decided to make my yard an antenna field and put
about 3-4 high antennas on my roof to cover everything, then ham wouldn't

I shot this from my neighbor's back yard on the 13th of this month
(Nov 2003)
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower30.htm

I had to get a building permit for a tower this size and it had to
conform to the proper engineering standards. (the guy anchors weigh
17,000# each. The lower guys are 4,000# working strength and the top
set are over 6,000).

I'm the only ham in the subdivision and within one and a half to two
miles that has a tower up. I've never received an RFI complaint with
the exception of one neighbor having a foot ball party in their garage
and the TV set had rabbit ears. I gave them a spare antenna for the
set in their garage. It's a good neighborhood except for one guy (5
houses away) who has one of those big mercury vapor lights on the face
of a small shed that serves as a reflector and shines right into out
back yard. So much for the Amateur Astronomy.

care. However, something tells me that if he/she had to sell their home
they would take down their antenna first and ask me to do the same if a
realtor said my antennas were driving potential buyers away. That's the
hypocrisy I don't like.

It's not likely to happen around here. People are far more worried
about the county wanting to build a *big* jail about 300 yards to the
south. One neighbor directly south of me and east of the spot where I
shot the photo had their property appraised to refinance. The realtor
dropped their appraised value by $10,000 and specifically stated it
was due to the *likely hood* of the jail across the road. So much for
the county telling us it won't affect out property values.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...

I shot this from my neighbor's back yard on the 13th of this month
(Nov 2003)
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower30.htm

I had to get a building permit for a tower this size and it had to
conform to the proper engineering standards. (the guy anchors weigh
17,000# each. The lower guys are 4,000# working strength and the top
set are over 6,000).


Exactly how tall is this big one? I'm green with envy.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 19:23:59 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
.. .

I shot this from my neighbor's back yard on the 13th of this month
(Nov 2003)
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower30.htm

I had to get a building permit for a tower this size and it had to
conform to the proper engineering standards. (the guy anchors weigh
17,000# each. The lower guys are 4,000# working strength and the top
set are over 6,000).


Exactly how tall is this big one? I'm green with envy.

Thanks! :-))


Twas all put up by hand too:-)) Which is why it took me nigh onto
two years to finish. Well, it'll never be finished as long as it's
up, but ...

The Tower is a 97 foot ROHN 45G. The antennas are mounted on steel
tubing which runs through thrust bearings at the top and about 12
feet below the top of the tower to a BogBoy Rotor.

The TH-5 tri-bander is at 100 feet, the 7 element C3i 6-meter beam
(with 28'10" boom) is at 115 feet. The 144 and 440 vertically
polarized arrays are on a cross boom at 130 feet.

If you change that link to tower.htm
( http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower.htm ) it should link
to the whole story or just go to my home page, table of contents, and
click on "My Tower Project". There are also some shots of the
"office" end as well.

There is one photo of installing the TH-5 that will give a good idea
as to the scale of the antennas. Note a lot of that antenna work was
done in the winter with some pretty low wind chills.

"Doing it myself" was an educational and fun project, plus it saved a
whale of a lot of money. I have some fears if the county puts a jail
within 300 yards we won't be able to coexist and that'd mean moving.
I'd pretty much have to resort to having a professional crew come in,
take the tower down and then reinstall it where ever we moved which
would cost a small fortune which I'm not sure I could afford.

This is a nice quiet, rural subdivision with lots of Deer, Wild
Turkeys, and other critters that come right up in the yard.

BTW, IF you have a fast connection there is a panoramic view from the
top of the tower at
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/towerview.htm It's a huge
file of roughly 19 Megs so it'd be a lost cause with dial-up. It's
not a great image as the images didn't match perfectly and created
some artifacts where they are stitched together. (I was standing on
the tower top plate with the wind gusting 20 MPH or so when I shot the
photos hand held) I'm going to build a bracket and attach the camera
to the mast. Then shoot an image about every 15 degrees as the
antennas are turned. Unfortunately the landscape is now much less
colorful.

73

Roger (K8RI)

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE