If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:57:07 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Following your line of reasoning, skill with buggy whips
should be part of the requirements for a driver's license.

For driving a four-in-hand, it should be. There's a keyer in my
fairly new rig.

Get you a four-on-the-floor Mustang and beat it with a
buggy whip to make it go faster?

Markie? Get out of Cecil's head.
the other standard tactic is to avoid the point

and again why are you such an ill mannered lout that you can't call me
Mark

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
 

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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, "
wrote:

From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am
Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy,
rec.radio.scanner,
rec.radio.swap

wrote:
From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm
Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy,
rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap

On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote:
wrote:
How did capacitors escape getting color coded?
ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please

Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't.

Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that
silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter
century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases
were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica.

Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were
marked with color bands and were on the market for at least
15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors
for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube
and transistor architecture electronics).

ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950
and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like
there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't
trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-)

Try reading what I wrote.

Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read.

I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color
coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID!

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm

On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, "
wrote:
From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am
Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy,
rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap
wrote:
From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm
On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote:
wrote:
How did capacitors escape getting color coded?
ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please

Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't.

Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that
silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter
century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases
were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica.

Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were
marked with color bands and were on the market for at least
15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors
for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube
and transistor architecture electronics).

ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950
and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like
there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't
trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-)

Try reading what I wrote.

Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read.

I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color
coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID!

Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-)

That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish).
If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some
false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from
such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into
auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-)

Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never
color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more
than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or
corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that
those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault."

Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that
those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to
correct your mistakes! :-)

Here's some more to chew on:

RFCs (Radio Frequency Chokes, inductors) in axial-lead plastic
tubular packages are STILL marked with color-code bands. There's
a MIL SPEC on that as all "long-time design engineers" should
know; such parts are even used in commercial market electronics.
It's really irrelevant HOW capacitors are marked as long anyone
using them can know their value and working voltage and
tolerance and apply them properly.

There are 7 (seven) amateur radio licensees in the USA that could
answer to "Al Klein." Are you one of those?

I can say without hesitation that I am NOT a licensed amateur.
I am a licensed commercial-professional in radio and have been
so for 50 years, beginning in military 24/7 big-time HF
communications 53 1/2 years ago. I have all sorts of valid
documentation on that and some in here have seen some of that.
Do you have ANYTHING in the way of ID? On the Internet?

Or, are you going to scribble meaningless misdirections in here,
attempting to portray some personal "outrage" for being
corrected? Especially about a well-known electronic component
identification method which you don't seem to know yet others
can verify?

I'll just put you down as an IMPOSTER poster, one of those
wanna-bees who might never have been anything but really,
really wants to be someone. That's up to you. I don't care.
I've seen your kind on the Internet, on the Bulletin Board
Systems since 1984. None have anything worthwhile to
contribute but all wanting to be a SOMEBODY on screens.

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

On 17 Aug 2006 15:26:18 -0700, "
wrote:

Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never
color coded.

No, first YOU misunderstood "didn't escape being color coded" as
meaning "didn't get color coded". Then you tried to weasel out of
looking like the ass you are by looking even more stupid. You're not
worth my time.

plonk

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? - Mark, Just ignore them.
 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:33:22 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

wrote in :

I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color
coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID!

and yet you dare to attack others for there mistakes take the lumps
you earn OM or bow out

Since I have you killfiled, I didn't see the original post, Markie,
and I probably won't see your reply if you post one, but dyslexia
doesn't excuse you for this one. Google has my original post, so I
have no need to defend what others don't understand. Yes, Murky, it's
YOUR mistake ... again.

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

wrote:
From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm

On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, "
wrote:
From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am
Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy,
rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap
wrote:
From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm
On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend" wrote:
wrote:
How did capacitors escape getting color coded?
ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please

Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't.

Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW that
silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter
century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases
were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica.

Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were
marked with color bands and were on the market for at least
15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors
for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube
and transistor architecture electronics).

ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950
and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like
there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't
trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-)

Try reading what I wrote.

Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read.

I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color
coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID!

Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-)

That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish).
If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some
false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from
such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into
auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-)

Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never
color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more
than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or
corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that
those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault."

Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that
those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to
correct your mistakes! :-)

who that we know does that Sound Like Len

remind you of a certain exMarine we know and loathe

Here's some more to chew on:

RFCs (Radio Frequency Chokes, inductors) in axial-lead plastic
tubular packages are STILL marked with color-code bands. There's
a MIL SPEC on that as all "long-time design engineers" should
know; such parts are even used in commercial market electronics.
It's really irrelevant HOW capacitors are marked as long anyone
using them can know their value and working voltage and
tolerance and apply them properly.

There are 7 (seven) amateur radio licensees in the USA that could
answer to "Al Klein." Are you one of those?

I can say without hesitation that I am NOT a licensed amateur.
I am a licensed commercial-professional in radio and have been
so for 50 years, beginning in military 24/7 big-time HF
communications 53 1/2 years ago. I have all sorts of valid
documentation on that and some in here have seen some of that.
Do you have ANYTHING in the way of ID? On the Internet?

Or, are you going to scribble meaningless misdirections in here,
attempting to portray some personal "outrage" for being
corrected? Especially about a well-known electronic component
identification method which you don't seem to know yet others
can verify?

I'll just put you down as an IMPOSTER poster, one of those
wanna-bees who might never have been anything but really,
really wants to be someone. That's up to you. I don't care.
I've seen your kind on the Internet, on the Bulletin Board
Systems since 1984. None have anything worthwhile to
contribute but all wanting to be a SOMEBODY on screens.

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

This one is getting a whole lot old.

"an old friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

wrote:
From: Al Klein on Wed, Aug 16 2006 6:15 pm

On 15 Aug 2006 23:21:32 -0700, "
wrote:
From: Al Klein on Tues, Aug 15 2006 5:35 am
Groups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.policy,
rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.swap
wrote:
From: Al Klein on Sun, Aug 13 2006 9:15 pm
On 12 Aug 2006 18:58:18 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:
wrote:
How did capacitors escape getting color coded?
ssshhhhh bb don't ask such questions please

Since a) you don't know the answer and b) they didn't.

Klein, you said you were an OF. Any olde-fahrt ought to KNOW
that
silver-mica capacitors were color-dot-coded for about a quarter
century. [look in the 1976 ARRL Handbook] Those flat cases
were eventually displaced by dipped silver-mica.

Paper tubular capacitors in molded plastic tubular casings were
marked with color bands and were on the market for at least
15 years, maybe 20...until aced out by ceramic disc capacitors
for general bypassing and coupling applications (by both tube
and transistor architecture electronics).

ANYONE with hands-on experience in electronics between 1950
and about 1970 would KNOW that. [okay, folks, looks like
there's another imposter here...at least this one isn't
trying to pass hisself off as some marine NCO...:-)

Try reading what I wrote.

Tsk, Klein, you don't write enough to read.

I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color
coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID!

Nice attempt at misdirection, but a very old technique. :-)

That sort of misdirection is puerile (meaning childish).
If you have some bona fides on English grammar and some
false idea that ALL must be literal with NO departure from
such literalness, please state them. Otherwise go into
auto-fornication mode since we ain't buyin that, homie. :-)

Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never
color coded. You got called on that and corrected by more
than myself. Secondly, you've never admitted being wrong or
corrected. Third, you try to (badly) convince others that
those who corrected your statement are "wrong" or "at fault."

Amazing. You make mistakes and then try to convince all that
those mistakes never happened or that it is "wrong" to try to
correct your mistakes! :-)

who that we know does that Sound Like Len

remind you of a certain exMarine we know and loathe

Here's some more to chew on:

RFCs (Radio Frequency Chokes, inductors) in axial-lead plastic
tubular packages are STILL marked with color-code bands. There's
a MIL SPEC on that as all "long-time design engineers" should
know; such parts are even used in commercial market electronics.
It's really irrelevant HOW capacitors are marked as long anyone
using them can know their value and working voltage and
tolerance and apply them properly.

There are 7 (seven) amateur radio licensees in the USA that could
answer to "Al Klein." Are you one of those?

I can say without hesitation that I am NOT a licensed amateur.
I am a licensed commercial-professional in radio and have been
so for 50 years, beginning in military 24/7 big-time HF
communications 53 1/2 years ago. I have all sorts of valid
documentation on that and some in here have seen some of that.
Do you have ANYTHING in the way of ID? On the Internet?

Or, are you going to scribble meaningless misdirections in here,
attempting to portray some personal "outrage" for being
corrected? Especially about a well-known electronic component
identification method which you don't seem to know yet others
can verify?

I'll just put you down as an IMPOSTER poster, one of those
wanna-bees who might never have been anything but really,
really wants to be someone. That's up to you. I don't care.
I've seen your kind on the Internet, on the Bulletin Board
Systems since 1984. None have anything worthwhile to
contribute but all wanting to be a SOMEBODY on screens.

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die? - Mark, Just ignore them.
 

Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:33:22 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

wrote in :

I'm not the one who misread "capacitors didn't *ESCAPE* getting color
coded" for "capacitors didn't *GET* color coded" - YOU DID!

and yet you dare to attack others for there mistakes take the lumps
you earn OM or bow out

Since I have you killfiled, I didn't see the original post, Markie,
and I probably won't see your reply if you post one, but dyslexia
doesn't excuse you for this one. Google has my original post, so I
have no need to defend what others don't understand. Yes, Murky, it's
YOUR mistake ... again.
nope yours but then you make so many and adknowledge none of them

killfile away of course it leaves little ornothing to post about

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

From: Al Klein on Thurs, Aug 17 2006 6:46 pm

On 17 Aug 2006 15:26:18 -0700, "
wrote:

Let's reprise. First you state that capacitors were never
color coded.

No, first YOU misunderstood "didn't escape being color coded" as
meaning "didn't get color coded".

What is to "misunderstand?" Brian Burke wrote in that fashion,
perhaps too colloquially for your absolutely-literal standards
of English, but it was perfectly clear to most readers here.

Then you tried to weasel out of
looking like the ass you are by looking even more stupid.

Trying to insult those who challenge your "knowledge" of
electronic components isn't going to win you any points.

The FACT is that capacitors and axial-lead inductors have
been color-coded for decades. That can be verified by looking
at component manufacturers' catalogs and several textbooks
(even going back to the ITT "Green Bible" of the 50s) as well
as the ARRL Handbooks (several years worth).

You call that "stupid?"

I wouldn't. Any self-respecting worker who has been in
electronics for years wouldn't.

Had you wanted to be "civil" about it, you could have simply
acknowledged your mistake, stopped trying to build a Mt. Everest
out of a teaspoon of sand, and gone on with life. You did not.
You have MANUFACTURED a dispute, insulted your challengers, and
implied a number of things, all without any referencible data.

Your definition of "stupidity" seems to be that of ANYONE WHO
DISAGREES WITH YOU or one who DOES NOT HONOR AND BOW-DOWN TO
YOUR SUPPOSED MAJESTY AS AN AMATEUR.

Unfortunately, those "definitions" seem endemic to pro-coders,
those who insist on keeping a morse code test for amateur radio
into the far future. That viewpoint is entirely EMOTIONAL
based on your own experiences, has no validity in the supposed
"necessity" of keeping that morse code test in USA amateur
radio licensing.

"You did it so everyone else has to..."

That's a selfish, self-righteous viewpoint in my opinion.

It confuses the actual necessities of a government regulating
agency trying to mitigate many, many users of the civil radio
spectrum with some fraternal-organization in-house "rules" of
just one radio service out of many, "rules" that were
established decades ago.

You cannot support your "cause" with anything but throwing
personal insults at your challengers. You have already LOST
your arguments concerning the morse code test issue. You
win NOTHING except in your imagination.

It is even worse, perhaps sociopathic in that over-the-top
self-righteousness, to claim you are a "better human being"
just for having taken a morse code test...as an AMATEUR.
You seem to look down your royal nose at all who wish to
remove the code test from amateur radio licensing. Especially
so when you cannot establish your bona fides of "long-term
experience" supposedly in radio beyond amateur activities.

You're not worth my time.

Obviously not, "your majesty." :-)

Here's a suggestion: Drop the "outraged" act and start
thinking about the SUBJECT, not your own emotionalism.
One good way to make you feel better to yourself is to find
a morsemanship-support group. Such a group can sit around
and praise one another. Makes all in the group warm and
fuzzy holding the same opinion. Its also a way to hold off
the future and any changes in regulations, but only within
your own fantasies.

An alternative is to just LEAVE rec.radio.amateur.policy.
Few in here see you as the Final Arbiter of what is "good"
and what is "bad" in amateurism.

Leave or stay. Your choice. Matters not to me. Government
will continue - in a democratic-process fashion - to serve
ALL citizens, not just one group of radio spectrum users. A
group, I might add, that is a distinct MINORITY of all radio
users.

Think on that. [few pro-coders do]