y'all remember owl gourdhead's V chip? He wanted all new tv sets to be
required to have a spy V chip installed in them.But that raised such a
big stink it was voted out.V for Victory! If they had a little camera
(think cell phone cameras) installed in my tv set they would see
lounging on doggy's couch butt naked with only my socks on my feet just
like I am doing right now.I am not lieing at all.
cuhulin,the butt naked dude

In article .com,
"ve3..." wrote:

Johnny Borborigmi wrote:
On 2006-09-08 22:30:52 -0400, "ve3..." said:

..

LOL!!! Paranoia is a terrible thing folks!
You obviously don't know anything about surveillance. I suggest you
look up "echalon" on google. You will get about 22,000 hits. Read
some and be aware that this old system pales beside what they can do
now. It is based on the recognition of key words and enabled by
awesome computer power. Paranoia can be useful if they are really out
to get you. Ha ha hehhe hoho.

This is a bunch on nonsense. Ask yourself why the government would want
to spy on everyone. There is no reason to do so even if it were possible.

Terrorist¹s organizations are today¹s guerrillas where the people that
make up these groups are spread out throughout the world and so they
have to use everyday communications channels to develop their nefarious
plans. These are the communications the government is interested in
intercepting not spying on your boring life. The government activity is
intercepting communications in transit not planting bugs in people¹s
houses. There is no need to plant bugs in electronic devices as the
government has access to the communications infrastructure.

If you have the need to worry about something worry about the NYT that
sees it¹s duty as going about reveling the governments efforts to use
the Intel gathered against the terrorists. The liberals that run the NYT
are a real threat to the USA¹s efforts to use this Intel against the
terrorists. If I were president, I would find a way to put those people
in jail for a long time at hard labor filling sand bags in Iraq.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article .com,
"ve3..." wrote:

Johnny Borborigmi wrote:
On 2006-09-08 22:30:52 -0400, "ve3..." said:

..

LOL!!! Paranoia is a terrible thing folks!
You obviously don't know anything about surveillance. I suggest you
look up "echalon" on google. You will get about 22,000 hits. Read
some and be aware that this old system pales beside what they can do
now. It is based on the recognition of key words and enabled by
awesome computer power. Paranoia can be useful if they are really out
to get you. Ha ha hehhe hoho.

Telamon wrote:

This is a bunch on nonsense. Ask yourself why the government would want
to spy on everyone. There is no reason to do so even if it were possible.

Terrorist¹s organizations are today¹s guerrillas where the people that
make up these groups are spread out throughout the world and so they
have to use everyday communications channels to develop their nefarious
plans. These are the communications the government is interested in
intercepting not spying on your boring life. The government activity is
intercepting communications in transit not planting bugs in people¹s
houses. There is no need to plant bugs in electronic devices as the
government has access to the communications infrastructure.

If you have the need to worry about something worry about the NYT that
sees it¹s duty as going about reveling the governments efforts to use
the Intel gathered against the terrorists. The liberals that run the NYT
are a real threat to the USA¹s efforts to use this Intel against the
terrorists. If I were president, I would find a way to put those people
in jail for a long time at hard labor filling sand bags in Iraq.

Again?

Yet *ANOTHER* off topic post by that sanctimonious hypocrite Telamon????

Why don't you plonk yourself? You've certainly earned it!

In article ,
Clean Your Clock? wrote:

In article .com,
"ve3..." wrote:

Johnny Borborigmi wrote:
On 2006-09-08 22:30:52 -0400, "ve3..." said:

..

LOL!!! Paranoia is a terrible thing folks!
You obviously don't know anything about surveillance. I suggest you
look up "echalon" on google. You will get about 22,000 hits. Read
some and be aware that this old system pales beside what they can do
now. It is based on the recognition of key words and enabled by
awesome computer power. Paranoia can be useful if they are really out
to get you. Ha ha hehhe hoho.

Telamon wrote:

This is a bunch on nonsense. Ask yourself why the government would want
to spy on everyone. There is no reason to do so even if it were possible.

Terrorist¹s organizations are today¹s guerrillas where the people that
make up these groups are spread out throughout the world and so they
have to use everyday communications channels to develop their nefarious
plans. These are the communications the government is interested in
intercepting not spying on your boring life. The government activity is
intercepting communications in transit not planting bugs in people¹s
houses. There is no need to plant bugs in electronic devices as the
government has access to the communications infrastructure.

If you have the need to worry about something worry about the NYT that
sees it¹s duty as going about reveling the governments efforts to use
the Intel gathered against the terrorists. The liberals that run the NYT
are a real threat to the USA¹s efforts to use this Intel against the
terrorists. If I were president, I would find a way to put those people
in jail for a long time at hard labor filling sand bags in Iraq.

Again?

Yet *ANOTHER* off topic post by that sanctimonious hypocrite Telamon????

Why don't you plonk yourself? You've certainly earned it!

Yeah and I just sent another one.

Plonk

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On 2006-09-09 08:52:51 -0400, "ve3..." said:


Johnny Borborigmi wrote:
On 2006-09-08 22:30:52 -0400, "ve3..." said:

..

LOL!!! Paranoia is a terrible thing folks!
You obviously don't know anything about surveillance. I suggest you
look up "echalon" on google. You will get about 22,000 hits. Read some
and be aware that this old system pales beside what they can do now.
It is based on the recognition of key words and enabled by awesome
computer power.
Paranoia can be useful if they are really out to get you. Ha ha hehhe
hoho.


Yeah I know. Sorry but I don't spend my life ****ting my pants over
this type of stuff. You can of coarse so by all means feel free!

On 2006-09-09 17:36:16 -0400, Telamon
said:

In article .com,
"ve3..." wrote:

Johnny Borborigmi wrote:
On 2006-09-08 22:30:52 -0400, "ve3..." said:

..

LOL!!! Paranoia is a terrible thing folks!
You obviously don't know anything about surveillance. I suggest you
look up "echalon" on google. You will get about 22,000 hits. Read some
and be aware that this old system pales beside what they can do now.
It is based on the recognition of key words and enabled by awesome
computer power. Paranoia can be useful if they are really out to get
you. Ha ha hehhe hoho.

This is a bunch on nonsense. Ask yourself why the government would want
to spy on everyone. There is no reason to do so even if it were
possible.


They can spy on me until the cows come home, I'm clean. I have nothiing
to worry about.

RHF wrote:
ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center.

VE3,

Oh Canada - Yes Big Sister {Brother} Is Listening.

But Don't Worry - She {He} Has Determined
That You Have Nothing Important To Say ! )

just for the fun of it ~ RHF
.................................................. .................................................. ...............
Calm down, guys. I ask a simple little question of fact and this site
erupts into personal attacks, statements of philosophy, warnings about
sphincter control, and all sorts of wierdness. Is there a full moon?
Posting a question here is like showing an ink blot test: you don't
know what people see in the question. The guy who told me this story
has always been right before; but it sounded far out to me and I just
wanted to see if anyone had heard about such a thing. That's all.
Sheese!
.
.
. .

"ve3..." wrote:

RHF wrote:
ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center.

VE3,

Oh Canada - Yes Big Sister {Brother} Is Listening.

But Don't Worry - She {He} Has Determined
That You Have Nothing Important To Say ! )

just for the fun of it ~ RHF
.................................................. .................................................. ..............
Calm down, guys. I ask a simple little question of fact and this site
erupts into personal attacks, statements of philosophy, warnings about
sphincter control, and all sorts of wierdness. Is there a full moon?
Posting a question here is like showing an ink blot test: you don't
know what people see in the question. The guy who told me this story
has always been right before; but it sounded far out to me and I just
wanted to see if anyone had heard about such a thing. That's all.
Sheese!

The guy who told you the story was probably just another dumbass Canuck.

Sheese! Run along now, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center. Certainly the
Onstar has this potential and so do cellphones. The source says that
there is a little subassembly on the mainboard as they have not yet
integrated the listening device in the mainboard of a computer.
Supposedly you can disconnect this device to ensure privacy. It is
supposedly required by Homeland security so they can listen in to
terrorists etc, but it responds to key words a la Eschalon to determine
public trends. All my equipment is too old to have such a thing and I
wonder if anyone has heard of this or is it just an urban myth. I think
my 8-track is safe. My first reaction is to think that the audio would
be too muffled and echoed to be of much use. I know that someone ( I
think Sony) has developed a picture tube that will produce a picture
and transmit the room image at the same time. There can only be one
purpose for this device.



First, it's ECHELON.

BTW, if you look up both ECHELON and CARNIVORE, there's some great
information there.

Second, the On-Star device may, indeed listen in to the interior of
the vehicle. It's not something that's left to the discretion of the
On-Star operator, and requires an instrument of authority to activate,
although, like nearly everything abuses are possible. Activating the
On-Star system, though, does alert the driver that the system is listening.


Third, authority can, indeed listen to cellphones, intercept e-mail,
VoIP conversations, and audio/video chats. That's just the way it is,
today. And there are some trojans that have been released into the wild
that activate webcams and microphones without the users's knowledge or
consent.

That said, there are no daughterboards being installed in CPU's,
television sets, radio that listen to, monitor and rebroadcast your
activities.

Cable boxes, are something different. Cable boxes have, for a very
long time, reported back to the cable company what you watch, when you
watch it, and with the new generation of cable boxes containing DVRs,
they now report what you record, when you play it back; when, if, and
how often you pause and replay live TV, and the content you replay. And
with ratings services now using the so called people meters to ehance
accuracy of the surveys, they also can keep track of the number of
people in the room during any activity.

But to date, there is no listening device in the cable box.

Though, given the cable company's broad discretion to gather, use and
abuse personal information, I'm not going to say that this is to be
ruled out entirely.

So, you may upgrade your audio gear, your TV and your entertainment
electronics in comfort--step into the 90's, as you will--secure in the
knowledge, that, at least for now, you may speak your mind in your own
home without fear of repercussion.

But I would be very careful about doing so with someone else in the
room. The times, they are a-changing.

D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center



First, it's ECHELON.

BTW, if you look up both ECHELON and CARNIVORE, there's some great
information there.....

So, you may upgrade your audio gear, your TV and your entertainment
electronics in comfort--step into the 90's, as you will--secure in the
knowledge, that, at least for now, you may speak your mind in your own
home without fear of repercussion.

But I would be very careful about doing so with someone else in the
room. The times, they are a-changing.
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Thanks for the response. Maybe it's just the shape of things to come.
I think I feel better about upgrading. I will get that casette outfit
and get rid of the KT66's.