NYT???? New York Times??? My dumbo mind wants to know.
cuhulin,the dumbo

Telamon isn't a hippo hipocrite.
cuhulin

I will swipe some hemorrhoid pictures from somewhere for them to spy on.
cuhulin

I donts personally attack (ok,Canada doesn't count) anybody.
cuhulin

www.devilfinder.com
google developes eavesdropping software

I had to scratch me arse fifty times before I halfway reckymembered it.
cuhulin

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

"ve3..." wrote:

RHF wrote:
ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center.

VE3,

Oh Canada - Yes Big Sister {Brother} Is Listening.

But Don't Worry - She {He} Has Determined
That You Have Nothing Important To Say ! )

just for the fun of it ~ RHF
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Calm down, guys. I ask a simple little question of fact and this site
erupts into personal attacks, statements of philosophy, warnings about
sphincter control, and all sorts of wierdness. Is there a full moon?
Posting a question here is like showing an ink blot test: you don't
know what people see in the question. The guy who told me this story
has always been right before; but it sounded far out to me and I just
wanted to see if anyone had heard about such a thing. That's all.
Sheese!

The guy who told you the story was probably just another dumbass Canuck.

Sheese! Run along now, boy.

I made a mistake answering his posts since he used to post on topic but
lately he only posts off topic and has now degenerated to blind Trolling
stupidity. No more, he's in the kill file.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Not only do we worry about these organizations "listening", but your
employer is most certainly tracking what you are doing - to the point
of firing people -- or making their life a living hell -- if the person
happens to look at publilc information websites that contain
detrimental information about certain employees. It's happened where I
work. And the company for which I am employed now has a "big brother
system" that not only blocks the websites the company deems bad -- but
also reports who has been to those websites and when and how many
times. This includes, where I work, almost all media outlets and
publishing houses. Never mind that I am in charge of ordering
published materials for the company.

But worse than that is the ability of people in this kind of user group
to track who you are and what you stand for. That's come back to bite
me twice in groups that I no longer participate in. If the user group
can access and negatively use this information -- I shudder to think
what the government or other interested parties can do. !!!

D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center. Certainly the
Onstar has this potential and so do cellphones. The source says that
there is a little subassembly on the mainboard as they have not yet
integrated the listening device in the mainboard of a computer.
Supposedly you can disconnect this device to ensure privacy. It is
supposedly required by Homeland security so they can listen in to
terrorists etc, but it responds to key words a la Eschalon to determine
public trends. All my equipment is too old to have such a thing and I
wonder if anyone has heard of this or is it just an urban myth. I think
my 8-track is safe. My first reaction is to think that the audio would
be too muffled and echoed to be of much use. I know that someone ( I
think Sony) has developed a picture tube that will produce a picture
and transmit the room image at the same time. There can only be one
purpose for this device.



First, it's ECHELON.

BTW, if you look up both ECHELON and CARNIVORE, there's some great
information there.

Second, the On-Star device may, indeed listen in to the interior of
the vehicle. It's not something that's left to the discretion of the
On-Star operator, and requires an instrument of authority to activate,
although, like nearly everything abuses are possible. Activating the
On-Star system, though, does alert the driver that the system is listening.


Third, authority can, indeed listen to cellphones, intercept e-mail,
VoIP conversations, and audio/video chats. That's just the way it is,
today. And there are some trojans that have been released into the wild
that activate webcams and microphones without the users's knowledge or
consent.

That said, there are no daughterboards being installed in CPU's,
television sets, radio that listen to, monitor and rebroadcast your
activities.

Cable boxes, are something different. Cable boxes have, for a very
long time, reported back to the cable company what you watch, when you
watch it, and with the new generation of cable boxes containing DVRs,
they now report what you record, when you play it back; when, if, and
how often you pause and replay live TV, and the content you replay. And
with ratings services now using the so called people meters to ehance
accuracy of the surveys, they also can keep track of the number of
people in the room during any activity.

But to date, there is no listening device in the cable box.

Though, given the cable company's broad discretion to gather, use and
abuse personal information, I'm not going to say that this is to be
ruled out entirely.

So, you may upgrade your audio gear, your TV and your entertainment
electronics in comfort--step into the 90's, as you will--secure in the
knowledge, that, at least for now, you may speak your mind in your own
home without fear of repercussion.

But I would be very careful about doing so with someone else in the
room. The times, they are a-changing.

Not only do we worry about these organizations "listening", but your
employer is most certainly tracking what you are doing - to the point
of firing people -- or making their life a living hell -- if the person
happens to look at publilc information websites that contain
detrimental information about certain employees. It's happened where I
work. And the company for which I am employed now has a "big brother
system" that not only blocks the websites the company deems bad -- but
also reports who has been to those websites and when and how many
times. This includes, where I work, almost all media outlets and
publishing houses. Never mind that I am in charge of ordering
published materials for the company.

But worse than that is the ability of people in this kind of user group
to track who you are and what you stand for. That's come back to bite
me twice in groups that I no longer participate in. If the user group
can access and negatively use this information -- I shudder to think
what the government or other interested parties can do. !!!

D Peter Maus wrote:
ve3... wrote:
I have heard from a usually reliable source ( he usually pays for my
coffee) that new computers, television sets, cellphones and cable
boxes are fitted with audio devices that can listen to what is said in
the area and transmit the audio to a monitoring center. Certainly the
Onstar has this potential and so do cellphones. The source says that
there is a little subassembly on the mainboard as they have not yet
integrated the listening device in the mainboard of a computer.
Supposedly you can disconnect this device to ensure privacy. It is
supposedly required by Homeland security so they can listen in to
terrorists etc, but it responds to key words a la Eschalon to determine
public trends. All my equipment is too old to have such a thing and I
wonder if anyone has heard of this or is it just an urban myth. I think
my 8-track is safe. My first reaction is to think that the audio would
be too muffled and echoed to be of much use. I know that someone ( I
think Sony) has developed a picture tube that will produce a picture
and transmit the room image at the same time. There can only be one
purpose for this device.



First, it's ECHELON.

BTW, if you look up both ECHELON and CARNIVORE, there's some great
information there.

Second, the On-Star device may, indeed listen in to the interior of
the vehicle. It's not something that's left to the discretion of the
On-Star operator, and requires an instrument of authority to activate,
although, like nearly everything abuses are possible. Activating the
On-Star system, though, does alert the driver that the system is listening.


Third, authority can, indeed listen to cellphones, intercept e-mail,
VoIP conversations, and audio/video chats. That's just the way it is,
today. And there are some trojans that have been released into the wild
that activate webcams and microphones without the users's knowledge or
consent.

That said, there are no daughterboards being installed in CPU's,
television sets, radio that listen to, monitor and rebroadcast your
activities.

Cable boxes, are something different. Cable boxes have, for a very
long time, reported back to the cable company what you watch, when you
watch it, and with the new generation of cable boxes containing DVRs,
they now report what you record, when you play it back; when, if, and
how often you pause and replay live TV, and the content you replay. And
with ratings services now using the so called people meters to ehance
accuracy of the surveys, they also can keep track of the number of
people in the room during any activity.

But to date, there is no listening device in the cable box.

Though, given the cable company's broad discretion to gather, use and
abuse personal information, I'm not going to say that this is to be
ruled out entirely.

So, you may upgrade your audio gear, your TV and your entertainment
electronics in comfort--step into the 90's, as you will--secure in the
knowledge, that, at least for now, you may speak your mind in your own
home without fear of repercussion.

But I would be very careful about doing so with someone else in the
room. The times, they are a-changing.

Let them spy on me,if they want to see me lounging on my couch butt
naked,,,, let them spy.
cuhulin

ve3 wrote:

Thanks for the response. I am pretty isolated here so have no way of
checking these rumours out.

Isolated? From where you're at you could darn near throw a rock at the US of A.. heck, you probably do.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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I agree that the US population seems to be stoned a lot, but honestly,
I didn't do it.