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"Tester" wrote in message
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Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind?
KCBS is an Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz
KCB S-FM (formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los
Angeles.

These are not the same call signs. The TV and FM endings are integral
parts of the callsign
According to the way the FCC looks at callsigns these are three separate
call signs.

KCBS is a four letter call sign
KCBSFM is a six letter callsign which happens to end in FM
KCBSTV is a six letter callsign which happens to end in TV.

Bzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing our game.

The correct answer is that there are no 6 letter calls in the US. When
the stations with the KCBS call legally identify themselves, it is done as
"KCBS [COL]" Legal station ID's do not have the AM/FM/TV suffix, nor even
the frequency/channel of operation.

That is 100% incorrect. If there are an AM, and FM and a TV with the same
first 4 letters of the calls, the license of the FM says "WXXX-FM" and the
TV is "WXXX-TV." The legal ID is not legal if "FM" or "TV" are not read (or
visualed in TV) are not part of the ID. In fact, many FMs that used to share
calls with an AM that later changed to other calls are still "WXXX-FM" even
if there is no AM with the same calls.


Stations KBPS (AM & FM) are co-located, but not co-owned (one is owned by
the KBPS Foundation, the other by Benson Polytechnic High School). Each
ID's only as "KBPS, Portland"

Then they are doing an illegal ID, as the license of the FM, baring a unique
FCC error, is KBPS-FM. The FCC database shows "KBPS-FM" to be the correct
calls, too. I looked for a station I know never had an AM, and it shows as
"KLVE" alone, without the "-FM" suffix.

If it is on the license, it must be said.

And per 75.1150, an ID may include the channel number between the calls and
the city of license, so it is, if done this way, part of the legal ID:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
The correct answer is that there are no 6 letter calls in the US. When
the stations with the KCBS call legally identify themselves, it is done as
"KCBS [COL]" Legal station ID's do not have the AM/FM/TV suffix, nor even
the frequency/channel of operation.

That is 100% incorrect. If there are an AM, and FM and a TV with the same
first 4 letters of the calls, the license of the FM says "WXXX-FM" and the
TV is "WXXX-TV." The legal ID is not legal if "FM" or "TV" are not read (or
visualed in TV) are not part of the ID. In fact, many FMs that used to share
calls with an AM that later changed to other calls are still "WXXX-FM" even
if there is no AM with the same calls.

It should be noted that the FCC allows a station to call itself anything
it wants, as long as it uses the right call letters at the top of the
hour. Channel 2 can call itself "KCBS-TV", "KCBS", "CBS 2", "Channel
2", or even "KNXT"* as long as it announces "KCBS-TV, Los Angeles" in
their hourly ID. On a TV station, that ID may be visual or aural -- it
doesn't have to be both -- so they could verbally announce "KCBS, Los
Angeles" as long as it said "KCBS-TV Los Angeles" on the ID slide.
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

* I would imagine they might get in trouble with the FCC and almost
certainly would get in trouble in the civil courts if they chose to use
the call letters of some other station in the same market. If Channel 2
in LA were to call itself "KNBC" - the call letters of channel 4 - I
don't think they'd get away with it!

Mark Zenier wrote:
In article ,
Tester wrote:

Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind? KCBS is an
Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz in San Francisco. KCB S-FM
(formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los Angeles.


As I understand it, the actual callsigns are KCBS-AM, KCBS-TV, KCBS-FM.
Three distinct calls. That's how calls show up in the FCC liscence database.
(Perhaps, without the '-').

That's pretty much right.

There is no -AM suffix - AM stations never have a suffix.

FM or TV stations *may* not have -FM or -TV suffixes, if they aren't
necessary to avoid conflicts. For example, LA's channel 4 is KNBC - not
KNBC-TV - because there is no KNBC(AM) or KNBC(FM).

However, a station might have a suffix even if it doesn't need it...
For example, channel 11 in Green Bay, which is WLUK-TV even though there
is no WLUK (AM) or WLUK (FM).

There is no KQED(AM), so channel 9 in San Francisco can be KQED, not
KQED-TV. There is however a KQED radio, on FM, so to avoid conflict
with the TV station (that was there first) it's KQED-FM.

Confused yet?grin
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
The correct answer is that there are no 6 letter calls in the US. When
the stations with the KCBS call legally identify themselves, it is done
as "KCBS [COL]" Legal station ID's do not have the AM/FM/TV suffix, nor
even the frequency/channel of operation.

That is 100% incorrect. If there are an AM, and FM and a TV with the same
first 4 letters of the calls, the license of the FM says "WXXX-FM" and
the TV is "WXXX-TV." The legal ID is not legal if "FM" or "TV" are not
read (or visualed in TV) are not part of the ID. In fact, many FMs that
used to share calls with an AM that later changed to other calls are
still "WXXX-FM" even if there is no AM with the same calls.

It should be noted that the FCC allows a station to call itself anything
it wants, as long as it uses the right call letters at the top of the
hour. Channel 2 can call itself "KCBS-TV", "KCBS", "CBS 2", "Channel 2",
or even "KNXT"* as long as it announces "KCBS-TV, Los Angeles" in their
hourly ID. On a TV station, that ID may be visual or aural -- it doesn't
have to be both -- so they could verbally announce "KCBS, Los Angeles" as
long as it said "KCBS-TV Los Angeles" on the ID slide.

Most interesting is when stations, like several Clear Channel AMs in FL that
call themselves WFLA while those calls are only on the Tampa station they
own.

AM as far as AM radio is concerned (but not really) is short for
Amplitude Modulated.And I did not cheat and look it up first.I don't
even cheat on my wife because I was always to chicken to get hitched.

UT Ohhhhhh,,,,, here is that frikkin Shelock Holmes again.
cuhulin

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:19:25 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



Most interesting is when stations, like several Clear Channel AMs in FL that
call themselves WFLA while those calls are only on the Tampa station they
own.

I think their use of KISS-FM is more interesting. The real one is not
even owned by Clear Channel.

wrote in message
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AM as far as AM radio is concerned (but not really) is short for
Amplitude Modulated.And I did not cheat and look it up first.I don't
even cheat on my wife because I was always to chicken to get hitched.

UT Ohhhhhh,,,,, here is that frikkin Shelock Holmes again.
cuhulin


Hams call it Ancient Modulation (;-)

"David" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:19:25 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



Most interesting is when stations, like several Clear Channel AMs in FL
that
call themselves WFLA while those calls are only on the Tampa station they
own.

I think their use of KISS-FM is more interesting. The real one is not
even owned by Clear Channel.

They own the service mark and license use to any others.

David ) writes:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:19:25 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:



Most interesting is when stations, like several Clear Channel AMs in FL that
call themselves WFLA while those calls are only on the Tampa station they
own.

I think their use of KISS-FM is more interesting. The real one is not
even owned by Clear Channel.

Is that one of those "made up" callsigns? I don't know how common
those are now, but there was a time when they were used a lot.
As someone said, they can call themselves whatever they like (kind
of like a business name) so long as they do properly identify themselves
when needed.

So one local fm station used to be "FM96", but then morphed into "The Mix".
In Toronto, there is/was "Q107". CBC radio here in Canada simply
calls itself "CBC Radio One" (for the AM network, which in the large
cities are now on the FM band) and "CBC Radio Two" for the stereo
network. Vermont Public Radio only announces call signs when it is
required, instead being "VPR" most of the time. I couldn't tell
you what the "local" (it's in Burlington or Plattsburgh) FOX tv station's
callsign is, since they refer to themselves on a far bigger basis as
"FOX 44".

It's a marketing too. Once upon a time, stations would try to get
specific callsigns, to match their intent or somebody's initials.
That's gotten harder, as stations have proliferated. So they
come up with some other branding process, that has nothing to do
with the legal callsign, but which so many refer to them as, one
might think someone is issuing rather odd call signs.

Michael

"And per 75.1150, an ID may include the channel number between the
calls and
the city of license, so it is, if done this way, part of the legal ID:"
BETWEEN???

I thought the call letters had to be followed immediately by the city
of origin for it to be a legal id. I see you are referencing FCC rules
-- so was this changed recently?? I'm a little out of the loop.
Thanks.


David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Dan" wrote in message
...

"Tester" wrote in message
g...
Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind?
KCBS is an Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz
KCB S-FM (formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los
Angeles.

These are not the same call signs. The TV and FM endings are integral
parts of the callsign
According to the way the FCC looks at callsigns these are three separate
call signs.

KCBS is a four letter call sign
KCBSFM is a six letter callsign which happens to end in FM
KCBSTV is a six letter callsign which happens to end in TV.

Bzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing our game.

The correct answer is that there are no 6 letter calls in the US. When
the stations with the KCBS call legally identify themselves, it is done as
"KCBS [COL]" Legal station ID's do not have the AM/FM/TV suffix, nor even
the frequency/channel of operation.

That is 100% incorrect. If there are an AM, and FM and a TV with the same
first 4 letters of the calls, the license of the FM says "WXXX-FM" and the
TV is "WXXX-TV." The legal ID is not legal if "FM" or "TV" are not read (or
visualed in TV) are not part of the ID. In fact, many FMs that used to share
calls with an AM that later changed to other calls are still "WXXX-FM" even
if there is no AM with the same calls.


Stations KBPS (AM & FM) are co-located, but not co-owned (one is owned by
the KBPS Foundation, the other by Benson Polytechnic High School). Each
ID's only as "KBPS, Portland"

Then they are doing an illegal ID, as the license of the FM, baring a unique
FCC error, is KBPS-FM. The FCC database shows "KBPS-FM" to be the correct
calls, too. I looked for a station I know never had an AM, and it shows as
"KLVE" alone, without the "-FM" suffix.

If it is on the license, it must be said.

And per 75.1150, an ID may include the channel number between the calls and
the city of license, so it is, if done this way, part of the legal ID: