On Apr 19, 7:47 am, Ian Jackson
wrote:
In message .com,
ve3... writes

A CBC News report at 10 pm stated that hundreds of fishing boats and a
Coast Guard vessel were caught in a giant pack ice field off the east
cost of Newfoundland. Although most marine communication is VHF ,
there may be some HF communications going on. I am out of range, but
maybe some closer could have a listen to Coast Guard and fish boat
frequencies.

Is this further evidence of global warming?
Ian.
--

Send in Al Gore with his Magical Mystery Tour and
Bring Forth "Gobal Warming" to Melt them Free ~ RHF

On Apr 19, 9:55 pm, RHF wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:47 am, Ian Jackson

wrote:
In message .com,
ve3... writes

A CBC News report at 10 pm stated that hundreds of fishing boats and a
Coast Guard vessel were caught in a giant pack ice field off the east
cost of Newfoundland. Although most marine communication is VHF ,
there may be some HF communications going on. I am out of range, but
maybe some closer could have a listen to Coast Guard and fish boat
frequencies.

Is this further evidence of global warming?
Ian.
--

Send in Al Gore with his Magical Mystery Tour and
Bring Forth "Gobal Warming" to Melt them Free ~ RHF
.
.
. .

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/...contentid=4371


State of Fear: Even if warming is occurring, there is little evidence
of human causality.

The facts: Attribution of global warming to a specific cause or causes
is admittedly difficult, but a variety of independent lines of
investigation all point to human emissions of CO2 and other GHGs as a
major culprit:

No one has been able to put forward a self-consistent and quantitative
explanation for the warming in the latter half of the 20th century
without invoking the effects of the GHG from human activities;
The "smoking gun" pointing to industrial emissions as the culprit in
global warming has been identified in the spatial and temporal
worldwide patterns of warming in the atmosphere and oceans; and
Global temperatures in the last few decades appear to be warmer than
in any other time period over the past 2,000 years.
State of Fear: Predictions of global warming are based on climate-
model calculations that cannot be relied upon; results from different
models disagree by more than 400%.

The facts: Highly advanced climate models have been thoroughly and
carefully vetted by the scientific community. It is true that these
models project a wide range in the warming of the globe by 2100 (i.e.,
from about 3 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit). Much of this range arises from
differing assumptions about economic, demographic and technological
trends that influence CO2 emissions, not in the models' simulation of
the effects of these emissions on climate. All of the models predict
that increasing CO2 emissions will lead to further warming of the
globe and that the more we emit CO2 in the future, the more the globe
will warm. This is actually good news because it suggests we can
actually do something about global warming; that is, cut emissions of
CO2 and other GHGs.

On Apr 21, 3:01 pm, wrote:
On Apr 19, 9:55 pm, RHF wrote:





On Apr 19, 7:47 am, Ian Jackson

wrote:
In message .com,
ve3... writes

A CBC News report at 10 pm stated that hundreds of fishing boats and a
Coast Guard vessel were caught in a giant pack ice field off the east
cost of Newfoundland. Although most marine communication is VHF ,
there may be some HF communications going on. I am out of range, but
maybe some closer could have a listen to Coast Guard and fish boat
frequencies.

Is this further evidence of global warming?
Ian.
--

Send in Al Gore with his Magical Mystery Tour and
Bring Forth "Gobal Warming" to Melt them Free ~ RHF
.
.
. .

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/...contentid=4371

State of Fear: Even if warming is occurring, there is little evidence
of human causality.

The facts: Attribution of global warming to a specific cause or causes
is admittedly difficult, but a variety of independent lines of
investigation all point to human emissions of CO2 and other GHGs as a
major culprit:

No one has been able to put forward a self-consistent and quantitative
explanation for the warming in the latter half of the 20th century
without invoking the effects of the GHG from human activities;
The "smoking gun" pointing to industrial emissions as the culprit in
global warming has been identified in the spatial and temporal
worldwide patterns of warming in the atmosphere and oceans; and
Global temperatures in the last few decades appear to be warmer than
in any other time period over the past 2,000 years.
State of Fear: Predictions of global warming are based on climate-
model calculations that cannot be relied upon; results from different
models disagree by more than 400%.

The facts: Highly advanced climate models have been thoroughly and
carefully vetted by the scientific community. It is true that these
models project a wide range in the warming of the globe by 2100 (i.e.,
from about 3 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit). Much of this range arises from
differing assumptions about economic, demographic and technological
trends that influence CO2 emissions, not in the models' simulation of
the effects of these emissions on climate. All of the models predict
that increasing CO2 emissions will lead to further warming of the
globe and that the more we emit CO2 in the future, the more the globe
will warm. This is actually good news because it suggests we can
actually do something about global warming; that is, cut emissions of
CO2 and other GHGs.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Blaming humans is a scam. They just want to put more government
controls on everyone, since Communism and the Cold War didn't work.
We've gone from perhaps 313 parts per million CO2 in 1960 to perhaps
375 parts per million in 2005. That PARTS PER MILLION. That's almost
nothing. How about the times in the distant past when the earth didn't
have any polar caps at all? The climate will always change. It's
natural. How about The Medieval Warm Period that was even warmer then
out time. Or how about The Little Ice Age. Were we responsible for
those times too??? We didn't suffer disaster during those times, did
we???
What about Mars polar caps shrinking. Are we causing that?
Apparently Pluto is warming up. And it isn't getting close to the Sun.
Some moons in the Solar System are warming up. And new storms on some
of the big gas giants are apparently due to temperature changes on
those planets. Maybe we have Solar System warming. Maybe it has
something to do with our orbital path around the sun gradually
changing, or the amount of tilt of our axis, or the precession of the
equinox, The precession of the equinox is a cycle of 25,765 years.
There are a lot of other things that can cause Global Warming or
cooling. How about changes in the energy output of the Sun. The Sun
has many more cycles then just the eleven years sun spot cycle. Some
of them lasting thousands of years, some of them hundreds of thousands
of years. How about the solar systems place in the Galaxy, Sometimes
we are in the thick part of a galactic arm. Sometimes in a thin part.
(Very dusty and gassy, or very little dust and gas. This can effect
the amount of both solar radiation and interstellar radiation. That
can effect the amount of cloud cover/ water vapor in the atmosphere.
Water vapor is much more of a greenhouse gas then CO2.)

Take a look at this film. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...31355859226455

Cato

On Apr 21, 6:55 pm, Cato wrote:


Cato

Dispelling Crichton's Myths

Here are just a few contentions that are made by Crichton's "climate
skeptic" hero in the book, together with what the scientific evidence
actually says.



State of Fear: Temperatures in some locations are actually cooling, so
how can the globe be warming?

The facts: True, temperatures are cooling -- in a few select locales.
Global warming refers to a warming of the average global temperature.
It does not preclude cooling in some locations. Indeed, if some
locations are cooling while the globe is warming on average, it
follows that there must be other areas that are warming even faster
than the global average. In fact, that is exactly what is happening in
the Arctic, where temperatures over the past few decades have risen
twice as fast as the global average, with potentially disastrous
environmental consequences (see our January 2005 Solutions
newsletter).

This is but one example of Crichton's selective use of data in his
book to advance a specious argument. The establishment of a global
trend requires that one consider a global database, not data from a
few select sites. As in the case of global temperatures, Crichton
uses selective and incomplete data to argue that glaciers are not
melting and that sea levels are not rising. The fact is that a careful
analysis of the complete global database firmly establishes that ice
over the land and sea is thinning and melting and that, on average,
sea levels are rising.