On Jun 4, 10:37 am, John Mayson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, wrote:

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin

I can't get over how few people I know, some of them engineers, know this
is even coming.

- I personally can't wait for millions of TV sets to go dark,

but hey, that's just me. :-)

--
John Mayson
Austin, Texas, USA

(OT) : Lack of HD TV Converters causes Analog TVs
to go Dark - Followed by . . .

JM - That would be followed by a 'spike' . . .
in the US Birth Rate 9-Months later ;-) ~ RHF

Who needs "The Rhythm Method" when you have :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_Method
* Jimmy Kimmel Live - ABC
* Late Show with David Letterman - CBS
* Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson - CBS
* The Tonight Show with Jay Leno - NBC
* Late Night with Conan O'Brien - NBC
* Last Call with Carson Daly - NBC
http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html
followed by Movies-till-Dawn . . .

On Jun 4, 10:37 am, John Mayson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, wrote:

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin

I can't get over how few people I know, some of them engineers, know this
is even coming. I personally can't wait for millions of TV sets to go
dark, but hey, that's just me. :-)

--
John Mayson
Austin, Texas, USA


Wal Mart still is selling analog CRT TVs out the wazoo, they have
about a dozen different brands. Whoever is in charge of merchandising
in Bentonville doesn't know about it either. The weird thing is, Wal
Mart just remodeled the electronics sections in their stores to wedge
in flat screen TVs, and ended up with a huge section devoted to CRTs
and about six different flat screens, most of which are TFT (analog)
sets. I saw that and thought, boy are they gonna be sorry. They also
gave the heave ho to the cheap HD converter they were selling before.
Guess the profit margins weren't high enough for the Arkansas suits.

It is nearly impossible to get any HD converter at all unless you're
on the east coast. Best Buy sells a Samsung-for $180-but it's hidden
among the DirecTV boxes, on the bottom shelf. They have tons of HD
ready TVs, but what they don't tell you is that most of them need the
converter to receive HDTV. If you don't shell out extra for the
converter, you get analog TV. Same thing with cable, or satellite, you
need their special box to get HD signals. The vast majority of America
doesn't realize this, so the feds will switch off analog and everybody
will be blindsided.

The FCC promised $50 converters on every street corner when they
ordered the switchoff of analog, but that never materialized. The
price of a box has gone down only slightly from 2 years ago. The govt
is too spineless to order corporations to promote HD converters, or
sell them for subsidized prices, or even notify the public that analog
is about to be switched off. The only mention I've seen has been in
newspapers-in the columns written by the chitchatty not-real-news
columnists hidden on the inside. There has been virtually zero mention
of this on the nightly news, or on TV newsmagazines, or in Time or
Newsweek.

I'm starting to think it's deliberate-they WANT people to panic when
their TVs get switched off, then rush out all at once to pay $3000 for
a converter box and $15,000 for a TV. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company. Now
people realize that they were scammed, and Sony is in extremely deep
doo doo with formerly loyal customers who feel used. The corporations
that are looking to create a panic over high definition TV and radio
are sailing in the same dangerous waters. People will riot over the
sudden switchoff of TV and pay huge money for HD, only to realize that
they've been had. And the government was complicit. When people
realize THAT, they'll be furious at the politicians who they already
hate, and they may even start talking seriously about a revolution.

You can only pile so much on people before they snap. An unpopular war
in Iraq and an upcoming war with a very well armed Iran, the gutting
of the job base, the flood of America hating illegals, the constant
abuse by corporations, the wealth piling higher in the mansions of
billionaires while half of America goes without health care, the
politicians who just don't give a damn about the pain, and now the
elimination of analog radio and TV, making a billion sets useless,
without a squeak of notice. The ruling elite just keeps piling it on,
betting that people will just keep taking it without complaint.
Eventually, the elite's winning streak will end, and people will start
fighting back. They're preparing for it now; Bush has signed executive
orders authorizing the President to seize absolute power on the
flimsiest of justifications, and to declare an "emergency" that will
never end, along with his limitless power. The army will be sent out
to squash America's resistance to the new order and "pacify" and
"neutralize" the country forever.

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
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On Jun 4, 10:37 am, John Mayson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, wrote:

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin

I can't get over how few people I know, some of them engineers, know this
is even coming. I personally can't wait for millions of TV sets to go
dark, but hey, that's just me. :-)

--
John Mayson
Austin, Texas, USA


Wal Mart still is selling analog CRT TVs out the wazoo, they have
about a dozen different brands. Whoever is in charge of merchandising
in Bentonville doesn't know about it either. The weird thing is, Wal
Mart just remodeled the electronics sections in their stores to wedge
in flat screen TVs, and ended up with a huge section devoted to CRTs
and about six different flat screens, most of which are TFT (analog)
sets. I saw that and thought, boy are they gonna be sorry. They also
gave the heave ho to the cheap HD converter they were selling before.
Guess the profit margins weren't high enough for the Arkansas suits.

According to law, there should be NO analog-only TV's over 13" being sold at
this time. All TV's over 13" diagonal measure are supposed to have digital
(not necessarily HD) tuners as of March of this year. I don't know whether
they're supposed to be able to use 480i/p, 720p or 1080p. I suspect the
480i/p.

The Wal Mart store I go to about a mile and a half from me has some
small and large CRT tv sets on the shelves and in the boxes right there
along with the small and large thin screen tv sets on the shelves and in
the boxes.There are about seven more Wal Mart stores in the Jackson
metro area.I assume it is same same at those Wal Mart stores too.
cuhulin

Yep,analog small and large CRT tv sets.There is another Wal Mart store I
sometimes go to about five miles West of me in Clinton,Mississippi.I was
there about two weeks ago.I noticed that Wal Mart store also has some
analog CRT tv sets on the shelves and in the boxes.I think the smallest
analog CRT tv sets I saw in those Wal Mart stores are 13 inch screen tv
sets.They are there.
cuhulin

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.

No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1 billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.

David Eduardo wrote:

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.

No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1 billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.


That isn't a very good ROI.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.

No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1
billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.


That isn't a very good ROI.

That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has a
margin of 5%.

David Frackelton Gleason, who still insists he's 'Eduardo', (a fake Hispanic),
wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.

No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1
billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.


That isn't a very good ROI.

That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has a
margin of 5%.

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has
a
margin of 5%.


You can't really be stupid enough to compare a car company, a
supermarket chain, and an electronics manufacturer's ROI can you?

Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.

P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.