Radio Free Chosun, 9785, most likely the one heard here at 2000 s/on in Korean
directed to North Korea via Taiwan.

Very weak signal.

EiBi shows another clandestine, Radio Free North Korea, using 9785 beginning at
2030.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

Radio Free Chosun, 9785, most likely the one heard here at 2000 s/on in Korean
directed to North Korea via Taiwan.

Very weak signal.

EiBi shows another clandestine, Radio Free North Korea, using 9785 beginning at
2030.

I should add that the Radio Free North Korea broadcast is also via Taiwan.



dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Jul 7, 1:04 pm, dxAce wrote:
Radio Free Chosun, 9785, most likely the one heard here at 2000 s/on in Korean
directed to North Korea via Taiwan.

Very weak signal.

EiBi shows another clandestine, Radio Free North Korea, using 9785 beginning at
2030.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


It probably happened to be in the grayline, which is the only reason
you got it at all. I think that the sun is rising in South Korea
around 2000. I can usually pick up Quranic chanting from Saudi Arabia
at sign on at 0300, which is just around Saudi sunrise. By 0430 it's
gone, and the sun has risen fully in Riyadh.

American Insurgent wrote:

On Jul 7, 1:04 pm, dxAce wrote:
Radio Free Chosun, 9785, most likely the one heard here at 2000 s/on in Korean
directed to North Korea via Taiwan.

Very weak signal.

EiBi shows another clandestine, Radio Free North Korea, using 9785 beginning at
2030.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

It probably happened to be in the grayline, which is the only reason
you got it at all.

Well, it wasn't greyline propagation as I'm nowhere near that at 2000. Sunrise
enhancement, perhaps?

I think that the sun is rising in South Korea
around 2000.

Around 2020 or so, and sunrise in Taiwan (where the transmission originates from)
right around the same time.

I can usually pick up Quranic chanting from Saudi Arabia
at sign on at 0300, which is just around Saudi sunrise.

Not 'chanting' of course, but 'recitations'.

By 0430 it's
gone, and the sun has risen fully in Riyadh.

And the frequency is...?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Jul 9, 2:53 pm, dxAce wrote:
American Insurgent wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:04 pm, dxAce wrote:
Radio Free Chosun, 9785, most likely the one heard here at 2000 s/on in Korean
directed to North Korea via Taiwan.

Very weak signal.

EiBi shows another clandestine, Radio Free North Korea, using 9785 beginning at
2030.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

It probably happened to be in the grayline, which is the only reason
you got it at all.

Well, it wasn't greyline propagation as I'm nowhere near that at 2000. Sunrise
enhancement, perhaps?

Yeah, that's what I meant. I tend to think of everything where the tx
site is on the line between sunlight and darkness as "grayline".

I think that the sun is rising in South Korea
around 2000.

Around 2020 or so, and sunrise in Taiwan (where the transmission originates from)
right around the same time.

That's what I thought.

I can usually pick up Quranic chanting from Saudi Arabia
at sign on at 0300, which is just around Saudi sunrise.

Not 'chanting' of course, but 'recitations'.

The Quran has its roots in the oral histories once chanted/recited by
the Arabs, long before they adopted written language. Virtually every
culture from the start of the human race to the widespread use of
writing had what the English language calls "bards". Their histories
were somewhere between singing and what we would think of as prose
recitation. "Chanting" is only a rough description.

"Recitation" is the closest thing we have in English to the meaning of
the Arabic word "qur'an". It is not exact, however. What we think of
as "chanting" (ie Gregorian chants) is more like song than the Arabic
chants/recitations. We don't have anything like the Quran in English,
somewhere between singing, chanting, and reciting. The Jewish Bible
(Old Testament) was originally written in the same fashion as the
Quran, meant to be recited, not spoken. The New Testament was written
in Greek prose, however.

By 0430 it's
gone, and the sun has risen fully in Riyadh.

And the frequency is...?

Sorry. 15170. I can hear it on my little Degen 1102 in California.
It's a great opportunity for Americans to hear the Quran as it was
meant to be delivered, by voice. It WAS delivered as such for the
first century or two of Islam's existence. It was only after multiple,
contradictory versions emerged that an effort was made to write it
down. But even now it is considered a great accomplishment among
Muslims to memorize the Quran and deliver it by voice. The best
reciters can recite any Sura that is suggested. Even the Jews have
mostly lost this ability.

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...

The Quran has its roots in the oral histories once chanted/recited by
the Arabs, long before they adopted written language. Virtually every
culture from the start of the human race to the widespread use of
writing had what the English language calls "bards". Their histories
were somewhere between singing and what we would think of as prose
recitation. "Chanting" is only a rough description.


Didn't Islam have libraries and universities in Europe shortly after
Muhammed died (8th century AD)?

On Jul 9, 7:06 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"American Insurgent" wrote in message

oups.com...



The Quran has its roots in the oral histories once chanted/recited by
the Arabs, long before they adopted written language. Virtually every
culture from the start of the human race to the widespread use of
writing had what the English language calls "bards". Their histories
were somewhere between singing and what we would think of as prose
recitation. "Chanting" is only a rough description.

Didn't Islam have libraries and universities in Europe shortly after
Muhammed died (8th century AD)?

I thought it was more like 10th century. I'm not sure when some of the
oldest Muslim universities, like al-Azhar in Cairo, were founded. I
know that Azhar was around by 1000 AD (11th century). Islam didn't
have much of a presence in Europe, except Spain, for quite a while-the
Balkans weren't Islamicized until well after 1000 AD. The Balkans were
controlled by the Christian Byzantines for centuries. I'm not sure
that Islam ever conquered the Basques, even when they had the rest of
Iberia. Hell, not even the Christian Spanish managed to conquer them.
Eventually Madrid simply gave the Basques autonomy so they would stop
blowing people up.

By the way, I just checked BDXC, and they say that the Quran service
on 15170 at 0300 has ended. The earliest Quran service is now 0600-too
late for Americans. The Quran can be heard on several other Muslim
stations.