Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...e614fe3?hl=en&
:

Radium hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.

Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
of users.

Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?

The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.

1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
at least 16-bit

The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
compression.

Okay.

2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
the audio must be the same.

Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
no compression happening.

Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.

Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????

There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.

BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.

In linear PCM audio:

BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels

Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.

44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps

Suxx big time
On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium wrote:
Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann wrote inhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...
:

Radium hath wroth:
On Jul 1, 7:24 am, wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.
Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
of users.

Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?

The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.

1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
at least 16-bit
The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
compression.

Okay.

2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
the audio must be the same.
Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
no compression happening.

Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.

Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????

There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.

BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.

In linear PCM audio:

BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels

Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.

44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps

On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium wrote:
- Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread
- because some jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

- S N I P -

RADIUM,

The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .

OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]

Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.

However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

David I know you must have a Cellphone.

Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF

On Jul 21, 5:02 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium wrote:
- Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread
- because some jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

- S N I P -

RADIUM,

The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .

OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]

Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.

However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

David I know you must have a Cellphone.

Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
.
On the Internet Everyone Knows - I Am A Jerk !
.
.
. .

Verizon here RHF. I wouldn't have gotten a cell phone but I got this
new job over at Harris. (And just the keep this post legal, Harris
makes shortwave radios. Heheh.) So I'm working in Rochester, NY and
Wife is in Ma so I had to get a cell phone to keep in communication.
Hey, don't cell phones use tiny waves. I guess this stuff should
really be posted to rec.radio.tinywave, but that keeps bouncing.
Anyway, so there ya go, I like Verizon just fine. A really nice
polite bunch of peeps over there and very helpful if you get the
chance to call them. I give em a two thumbs up.

Regards,
N9NEO
Just say NEO!

On Jul 21, 2:41 pm, N9NEO wrote:
On Jul 21, 5:02 pm, RHF wrote:





On Jul 21, 1:07 pm, Radium wrote:
- Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread
- because some jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

- S N I P -

RADIUM,

The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .

OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]

Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.

However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

David I know you must have a Cellphone.

Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
.
On the Internet Everyone Knows - I Am A Jerk !
.
.
. .

Verizon here RHF. I wouldn't have gotten a cell phone but I got this
new job over at Harris. (And just the keep this post legal, Harris
makes shortwave radios. Heheh.) So I'm working in Rochester, NY and
Wife is in Ma so I had to get a cell phone to keep in communication.
Hey, don't cell phones use tiny waves. I guess this stuff should
really be posted to rec.radio.tinywave, but that keeps bouncing.
Anyway, so there ya go, I like Verizon just fine. A really nice
polite bunch of peeps over there and very helpful if you get the
chance to call them. I give em a two thumbs up.

Regards,
N9NEO
Just say NEO!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah the Cellphone's Tiny Waves keep bouncing off
my old rock-solid head.

You are right for Mobile-to-Mobile {Free Minutes}
the Cellphone is the best thing today for keeping
up family communications across long-distances.

But other than that to me they are an Electronic Leash.

the brick don't fall far from the wall ~ RHF

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Radium wrote:
Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Everything you post is irrelevant.

snip reposted crap

--
Jim Pennino

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On Jul 21, 3:05 pm, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Radium wrote:

Please keep out the OT crap! I had to start a new thread because some
jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Everything you post is irrelevant.

snip reposted crap

--
Jim Pennino

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JP - You forgot 'nonsense'

-if- Radium is about anything it is about High School
Science Class classroom 'nonsense' which is most
often ' irrelevant' to the real world.

While Listening to Real World News on the Shortwave
Radio is very 'relevant' and far from 'nonsense' .

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Burr wrote:

What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???

Since Radium is an ignorant idiot, he has no clue what group would
be appropriate for his moronic questions.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Jul 21, 6:55 pm, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Burr wrote:

What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???

Since Radium is an ignorant idiot, he has no clue what group would
be appropriate for his moronic questions.

--
Jim Pennino

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JP - Actually Radium may be an http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant_syndrome/
"Island of Genius" unto himself ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_Syndrome

But it does seem that : Rec.Radio.Shortwave and
Rec.Radio.Amateur.Antenna are a bit 'off' for a
Proposal to Change the Digital Cellphone World
kind of question that Radium posed.

While had he stuck to : Sci.Electronics.Basics,
Alt.Cellular.Cingular, and Alt.Internet.Wireless
He would not be hearing {reading} any of this
back chatter now.

If Radium could only understand that :
* Rec.Radio.Shortwave is about Shortwave Radio
and Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) including
Radios, Receivers and related SWL Equipment
like Receiving Antennas and Feed-in-Lines for
the SWLer.
* Rec.Radio.Amateur.Antenna is about Antennas
for Amatueur {Ham} Radio use : Theory, Design
and practical application of Transmitting and
Receiving for the Amateur Radio Service.

Clearly Radium's Re-Inventing the Cellphone
Transmission {Delivery} System is a stretch
beyond the normal focus of these two groups.

Listening to 7505 kHz right now at 2:28 UTC
KTBN - Salt Lake City UT USA
http://www.tbn.org/index.php/2/21.html
Mister Preacher Man preaching 'The Word'

"RHF" wrote in message
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On Jul 21, 5:27 pm, "Burr" wrote:
What in the hell does a cell phone have to do with shortwave???

Burr

Burr - Do you own a Shortwave Radio and listen to it ?

Have you ever owned a Cellphone ?

If So . . . You are the 'connection' ;-) ~ RHF

If you say so!!!