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Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan.
Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA |
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dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. And that day were planted the seeds of much of the dissent that threatens civility in our own land. And fertilized them with the loam created by easier living. Lack of natural enemies leads to cannibalism within a culture. There is no doubt that Hiroshima, and the second kiss, Nagasaki, ended a war that would have continued on for years. With millions dead, and, eventually, WWII fought on our own soil. Japan, believing that death was more desireable than defeat, would have fought until there was no one left. On either side. And two of the most astonishingly adaptive and productive cultures would would lie in ruins. And the boom that was to follow that war, the boom in technology, in culture, in manufacturing, in agriculture, in economy, that fed, clothed, rebuilt, restocked, renourished, and labor-saved life in the world would not have come. Life was hard before the war. Not so much, after. To the degree that children then had to worry about invasion, bombing raids, enough food to eat, and separation of family. Children today have to worry about fading batteries in their iPods and why mom won't pay for texting overruns on their cell phones. And which government agency to call to swat her down when she doesn't. In a lot of ways Hiroshima was the entry fee to the New Age. It was a terrible price. It was a no-win decision for Truman, who--give the man his props--had the balls to make the agonizing call between the horrors of those milliseconds of atomic release, and the horrors of the war that would have continued. True to the vision of the founding fathers, the biggest decisions were made by a common man. Whose inate humility should have remained an inspiration to us all. Yes, not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, life was hard, and values were easily grasped, and we shared them across the land. And let's bow our heads, and take a moment for prayer, or silence... but let's observe a moment of humility and homage to the souls that were lost to pave the way to the New Age. David Peter Maus |
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D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. Snip You understand that if the Japanese had a nuke they would have dropped it on Pearl Harbor. They would not have needed to send a whole fleet just one carrier, one plane, and one bomb. The Germans would have been sending nukes on those V2 rockets they had at the time instead of conventional warheads. The V2 would not have to be very accurate to cause mass destruction in England. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On Aug 5, 11:26 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. And that day were planted the seeds of much of the dissent that threatens civility in our own land. And fertilized them with the loam created by easier living. Lack of natural enemies leads to cannibalism within a culture. There is no doubt that Hiroshima, and the second kiss, Nagasaki, ended a war that would have continued on for years. With millions dead, and, eventually, WWII fought on our own soil. Japan, believing that death was more desireable than defeat, would have fought until there was no one left. On either side. And two of the most astonishingly adaptive and productive cultures would would lie in ruins. And the boom that was to follow that war, the boom in technology, in culture, in manufacturing, in agriculture, in economy, that fed, clothed, rebuilt, restocked, renourished, and labor-saved life in the world would not have come. Life was hard before the war. Not so much, after. To the degree that children then had to worry about invasion, bombing raids, enough food to eat, and separation of family. Children today have to worry about fading batteries in their iPods and why mom won't pay for texting overruns on their cell phones. And which government agency to call to swat her down when she doesn't. In a lot of ways Hiroshima was the entry fee to the New Age. It was a terrible price. It was a no-win decision for Truman, who--give the man his props--had the balls to make the agonizing call between the horrors of those milliseconds of atomic release, and the horrors of the war that would have continued. True to the vision of the founding fathers, the biggest decisions were made by a common man. Whose inate humility should have remained an inspiration to us all. Yes, not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, life was hard, and values were easily grasped, and we shared them across the land. And let's bow our heads, and take a moment for prayer, or silence... but let's observe a moment of humility and homage to the souls that were lost to pave the way to the New Age. David Peter Maus The Koreans have largely forgotten the sacrifices made during their war too. The South is much like us-a materialistic society where kids are mostly concerned about their personal comfort than about any sacrifices made to get them there. The North is too busy trying to survive to worry about the war. The South treats the North as a theme park. Sacrifice isn't real to Southern Koreans. Seoul has been described as an Asian version of LA in 1965. Japan had mostly forgotten too. Until the economy that they'd pushed so hard to beat the US collapsed. Suddenly, the "all middle class society" started seeing economic winners and losers, and the losers living in bullet train stations. When Japan was the TV Manufacturer To The World, they could afford to whine uselessly about the war. Whining about World War 2 was a national pastime in Japan, and still is to an extent. Since the wreckage had mostly been cleared and new buildings built, there weren't reminders everywhere, unlike Germany where you can visit the huge mountains of rubble that were once German cities before the war. Germany also has a few ovens that have been preserved, such as at Dachau. My grandmother, who is now dead, visited Germany around 1992 and by chance learned that Dachau had been partially preserved. She had to bribe a cabbie to take her out there, paying him something like double the official fare. Then she had to talk the caretakers into letting her look around. The Germans are rather embarrassed about their past, unlike the Japanese who have the luxury of denial. The Japanese would rather whine about the war than take responsibility, which is easy when you don't have piles of rubble, indestructible Nazi bunkers, and huge crematoriums staring at you all the time. I doubt that the Japanese had the ability to bring the war to the US in any meaningful way by 1945. There probably would have been planes flown into San Francisco and Sacramento, and more of those "balloon bombs" that landed in the Oregon forest, but America would have gotten off easy, especially compared to Japan. It's possible that the Japanese would have committed self-genocide rather than admit defeat. I once talked to a former colonel in the Army who told me that she'd seen still-classified reports that the Japanese leadership was planning an uber-suicide of the entire population rather than admit defeat at the hands of the Americans. Reportedly, small arms were being distributed, with orders that the people shoot at the Americans until the numbers were no longer in the people's favor, then to turn the guns on themselves. If that sounds a lot like Seung Hui Cho's rampage at Virginia Tech-shoot until you're cornered, then blow your brains out-that's because it does. That just points up how desperate the Japanese were to never surrender, to die en masse first. MacArthur guessed that a million American soldiers would die in the invasion of Japan. The true number would probably be 5 million at least. KIA to that point was only 450,000 in both wars to that point. The question then becomes, what do we do after losing 5 million guys, the entire population of Japan, and gaining the hatred of most of Asia for it? America would have likely been exhausted, and turned inward like we did after World War 1. Communism would have gained control of huge chunks of Europe and Asia, while America eventually stagnated. We would have had to fight the commies eventually, except on their terms, and from a position of weakness. We won the Cold War because we were able to define the war and force the Soviets to go along. The Soviets were so terrified of what we MIGHT do to their effort that they tore their society apart trying to compete. Now imagine that the shoe is on the other foot, and that the Soviets are in the driver's seat, with all of Europe, Asia, and South America behind them, and America is being dragged kicking and screaming into the Workers' Age. We don't want another catastrophic war, so we basically go along and dismantle the Constitution as per Soviet demands. States become Socialist Republics, and the central US government a Soviet puppet. Then, around 2010, the communist order sags too far, and crumples. Only there isn't a George Soros to ride to the rescue and tell the headless beast what to do. So the beast shatters, and an Afghanistan is the result. Eventually, Christian fundamentalists gain control of much of the old United States, and institute various versions of Biblical law, depending on your preacher. By now, buildings are collapsing from 70+ years of neglect and civil war. Cars are unknown- the cracked roads built by FDR are plied by horse drawn wagon. People start living in scrapwood shacks, like in Orwell's London. The world goes back to feudalism and medieval living. The site of my house is a filthy, shallow lake like it was during the Gold Rush. In fact, there is little settlement within 20 miles of the river, because of flooding. Southern California and Nevada becomes Indian land once again, with Paiute burials at the mound in Las Vegas resuming. Basically, the invasion of Japan would have eventually resulted not in a dramatic war to end all wars, but in a slow winking out of the light of civilization over several decades. |
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On Aug 5, 8:51 pm, American Insurgent wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:26 am, D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. And that day were planted the seeds of much of the dissent that threatens civility in our own land. And fertilized them with the loam created by easier living. Lack of natural enemies leads to cannibalism within a culture. There is no doubt that Hiroshima, and the second kiss, Nagasaki, ended a war that would have continued on for years. With millions dead, and, eventually, WWII fought on our own soil. Japan, believing that death was more desireable than defeat, would have fought until there was no one left. On either side. And two of the most astonishingly adaptive and productive cultures would would lie in ruins. And the boom that was to follow that war, the boom in technology, in culture, in manufacturing, in agriculture, in economy, that fed, clothed, rebuilt, restocked, renourished, and labor-saved life in the world would not have come. Life was hard before the war. Not so much, after. To the degree that children then had to worry about invasion, bombing raids, enough food to eat, and separation of family. Children today have to worry about fading batteries in their iPods and why mom won't pay for texting overruns on their cell phones. And which government agency to call to swat her down when she doesn't. In a lot of ways Hiroshima was the entry fee to the New Age. It was a terrible price. It was a no-win decision for Truman, who--give the man his props--had the balls to make the agonizing call between the horrors of those milliseconds of atomic release, and the horrors of the war that would have continued. True to the vision of the founding fathers, the biggest decisions were made by a common man. Whose inate humility should have remained an inspiration to us all. Yes, not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, life was hard, and values were easily grasped, and we shared them across the land. And let's bow our heads, and take a moment for prayer, or silence... but let's observe a moment of humility and homage to the souls that were lost to pave the way to the New Age. David Peter Maus The Koreans have largely forgotten the sacrifices made during their war too. The South is much like us-a materialistic society where kids are mostly concerned about their personal comfort than about any sacrifices made to get them there. The North is too busy trying to survive to worry about the war. The South treats the North as a theme park. Sacrifice isn't real to Southern Koreans. Seoul has been described as an Asian version of LA in 1965. Japan had mostly forgotten too. Until the economy that they'd pushed so hard to beat the US collapsed. Suddenly, the "all middle class society" started seeing economic winners and losers, and the losers living in bullet train stations. When Japan was the TV Manufacturer To The World, they could afford to whine uselessly about the war. Whining about World War 2 was a national pastime in Japan, and still is to an extent. Since the wreckage had mostly been cleared and new buildings built, there weren't reminders everywhere, unlike Germany where you can visit the huge mountains of rubble that were once German cities before the war. Germany also has a few ovens that have been preserved, such as at Dachau. My grandmother, who is now dead, visited Germany around 1992 and by chance learned that Dachau had been partially preserved. She had to bribe a cabbie to take her out there, paying him something like double the official fare. Then she had to talk the caretakers into letting her look around. The Germans are rather embarrassed about their past, unlike the Japanese who have the luxury of denial. The Japanese would rather whine about the war than take responsibility, which is easy when you don't have piles of rubble, indestructible Nazi bunkers, and huge crematoriums staring at you all the time. I doubt that the Japanese had the ability to bring the war to the US in any meaningful way by 1945. There probably would have been planes flown into San Francisco and Sacramento, and more of those "balloon bombs" that landed in the Oregon forest, but America would have gotten off easy, especially compared to Japan. It's possible that the Japanese would have committed self-genocide rather than admit defeat. I once talked to a former colonel in the Army who told me that she'd seen still-classified reports that the Japanese leadership was planning an uber-suicide of the entire population rather than admit defeat at the hands of the Americans. Reportedly, small arms were being distributed, with orders that the people shoot at the Americans until the numbers were no longer in the people's favor, then to turn the guns on themselves. If that sounds a lot like Seung Hui Cho's rampage at Virginia Tech-shoot until you're cornered, then blow your brains out-that's because it does. That just points up how desperate the Japanese were to never surrender, to die en masse first. MacArthur guessed that a million American soldiers would die in the invasion of Japan. The true number would probably be 5 million at least. KIA to that point was only 450,000 in both wars to that point. The question then becomes, what do we do after losing 5 million guys, the entire population of Japan, and gaining the hatred of most of Asia for it? America would have likely been exhausted, and turned inward like we did after World War 1. Communism would have gained control of huge chunks of Europe and Asia, while America eventually stagnated. We would have had to fight the commies eventually, except on their terms, and from a position of weakness. We won the Cold War because we were able to define the war and force the Soviets to go along. The Soviets were so terrified of what we MIGHT do to their effort that they tore their society apart trying to compete. Now imagine that the shoe is on the other foot, and that the Soviets are in the driver's seat, with all of Europe, Asia, and South America behind them, and America is being dragged kicking and screaming into the Workers' Age. We don't want another catastrophic war, so we basically go along and dismantle the Constitution as per Soviet demands. States become Socialist Republics, and the central US government a Soviet puppet. Then, around 2010, the communist order sags too far, and crumples. Only there isn't a George Soros to ride to the rescue and tell the headless beast what to do. So the beast shatters, and an Afghanistan is the result. Eventually, Christian fundamentalists gain control of much of the old United States, and institute various versions of Biblical law, depending on your preacher. By now, buildings are collapsing from 70+ years of neglect and civil war. Cars are unknown- the cracked roads built by FDR are plied by horse drawn wagon. People start living in scrapwood shacks, like in Orwell's London. The world goes back to feudalism and medieval living. The site of my house is a filthy, shallow lake like it was during the Gold Rush. In fact, there is little settlement within 20 miles of the river, because of flooding. Southern California and Nevada becomes Indian land once again, with Paiute burials at the mound in Las Vegas resuming. Basically, the invasion of Japan would have eventually resulted not in a dramatic war to end all wars, but in a slow winking out of the light of civilization over several decades.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - AI - Dang Your Alternative Reality World Is SCARY ! ~ RHF |
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About five or six something years ago, someone at www.lucianne.com
said the new Japanese school books are teaching that it was America's fault we got into War with Japan in World War Two. There were some American Prisoners of War in Japan who got killed when America Zapped Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Little Boy and Fat Man. One time Hyman Rickover was standing on a dock when a Nuke Submarine was docking.Rickover asked the Submarine Captain where they were going next.The Captain didn't tell Rickover.It wasen't long untill the Captain wound up with a land lubber desk job. cuhulin |
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dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Some people don't get it. This page in Wikipedia states "100,000 innocent civilians killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki Stupid idiots in this country never learn. This makes the Japanese smarter than us because they did learn this lesson. The Japanese fought a brutal war and understand what it would take to beat them. People today think of war as a police action when the purpose of war is to destroy or nearly destroy EVERYTHING in the fighting arena forcing complete capitulation by the enemy. If you don't level the place you get Iraq for example. I hope the American on Wednesday is not an idiot. What's Up Japan North America 0:00 - 1:00 UTC on 6145 1:00 - 2:00 UTC on 17825 17:00 - 18:00 UTC on 9535 Mon.-Fri.14:10-14:30 (repeat) 19:10,23:10,2:10,9:10,10:10 This program features current topics in politics, economics, sport and other fields in Japan and across Asia, giving insight into the world of Japan and Asia now. It will also be presented in 20 languages on Radio Japan Focus at various broadcasting times, dependent on the language service. Aug. 6,Mon. Sketch of Hiroshima in the summer of 2007 Aug. 7,Tue. The war poems of Hirohiko Okano Aug. 8,Wed. An American to spread the message of Hiroshima to the world Aug. 9,Thu. Atomic Bomb Victim Autobiographies Aug.10,Fri. Passing down the story of the Himeyuri Corps -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon wrote: In article , dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Some people don't get it. This page in Wikipedia states "100,000 innocent civilians killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki Stupid idiots in this country never learn. This makes the Japanese smarter than us because they did learn this lesson. The Japanese fought a brutal war and understand what it would take to beat them. People today think of war as a police action when the purpose of war is to destroy or nearly destroy EVERYTHING in the fighting arena forcing complete capitulation by the enemy. If you don't level the place you get Iraq for example. I hope the American on Wednesday is not an idiot. What's Up Japan North America 0:00 - 1:00 UTC on 6145 1:00 - 2:00 UTC on 17825 17:00 - 18:00 UTC on 9535 Mon.-Fri.14:10-14:30 (repeat) 19:10,23:10,2:10,9:10,10:10 This program features current topics in politics, economics, sport and other fields in Japan and across Asia, giving insight into the world of Japan and Asia now. It will also be presented in 20 languages on Radio Japan Focus at various broadcasting times, dependent on the language service. Aug. 6,Mon. Sketch of Hiroshima in the summer of 2007 Aug. 7,Tue. The war poems of Hirohiko Okano Aug. 8,Wed. An American to spread the message of Hiroshima to the world Aug. 9,Thu. Atomic Bomb Victim Autobiographies Aug.10,Fri. Passing down the story of the Himeyuri Corps I'm wondering if you might be able to hear 17870 beamed to Hawaii and 17825 to North America (at least according to EiBi) at 2100-2200? Not certain if they'll mention anything, but might be worth a listen. I'll be listening for sure at 0000 to 6145 via The 'Stan. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Aug 5, 12:49 pm, dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Be sure to change your adult diapers and don't put your dentures in backwards when you celebrate the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (mostly women and children). How American. Did you get your government welfare check aka "social security" for August yet Mr. CONservative small government? Heavy emphasis on the CON as in CON artists. How much have you cost the workers who are forced to support you to date? Have you joined the million dollar club yet? Between your monthly welfare payment and free (to you, not the taxpayers) "medicare" I'm guessing you have. Please tell! |
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