On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote:

A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week...

I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional
locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK
here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles,
where KGO has many listeners.

"David" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote:

A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week...

I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional
locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK
here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles,
where KGO has many listeners.

KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and
KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from
home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. )

On Sep 13, 11:37 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote:

A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week...

I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional
locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK
here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles,
where KGO has many listeners.

KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and
KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from
home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. )

Yeah, but your calculations are always rushed and half-assed because
you're busy trying to fill orders for colloidal silver.

On Sep 13, 8:37 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote:

A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week...

I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional
locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK
here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles,
where KGO has many listeners.

KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA, and
KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from
home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. )

Again d'Eduardo in your "World of Sellable Numbers"
5,500 People in the LA Area - DO NOT COUNT !

On Sep 13, 4:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

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On Sep 13, 11:37 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote:

A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week...

I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional
locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK
here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles,
where KGO has many listeners.

KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA,
and
KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from
home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. )

Yeah, but your calculations are always rushed and half-assed because
you're busy trying to fill orders for colloidal silver.

Those are not calculations. They are figures right out of Arbitron's
Maximi$er software for KGO in the LA MSA for the last 12 months ending June.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but you're too busy trying to fill colloidal silver orders to
pull the right figures off the screen. And you haven't even STARTED on
the ginseng orders!

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:37:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
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"David" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:25:51 -0700, IBOCcrock
wrote:

A few thoughts as nighttime IBOC operation looms later this week...

I'll be OK as I'm out of the nightime pattern of all the directional
locals (I've been testing in the morning). KGO and KKOH should be OK
here, but will be severely compromised in the big city of Los Angeles,
where KGO has many listeners.

KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA,
and
KGO has a 0.0. It has a cume of 5.5 thousand, all of which were away from
home listening (which probably means people driving while out of LA. )

Your books are the enemy of the craft of radio.

There is no "craft" of commercial radio without audience measurement to
support the revenue side any more than there is no "craft" of automobile
design unless the designs sell cars.

KGO has listeners in
Los Angeles. I know some of them.

I told you there are a few thousand. The #1 station in LA has 2 million. In
the overall picture of things, KGO has no listeners in LA... as I told you,
the bulk of the diary mentions for KGO (4 in total, on average, for the last
12 months) were "away from home" meaning they were possibly not even in
market receptions.

I hear others calling into the
programs.

Probably the same 4 people.

You even admit to knowing of 5,500 people who managed to
crack your ''books''. Artless bean counters like you killed radio.
You suck.

We work in a business. And the business model of radio today is 100% based
on usage of stations inside our local metro survey area. Out of nearly 5000
AM stations, I doubt even 25 get any revenue from skywave reception, and
nearly none get revenue from anything but the local metro on groundwave
listening.

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:20:23 -0700, "David Eduardo"
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on Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:37:33 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

KGO has no listeners in LA. I averaged the last 4 ratings books for LA,
and
KGO has a 0.0.

That means that 0.0 people took the time to play your ratings game,
LA has many KGO listeners as does San Diego.


And San Diego has exactly zero. It showed neither in cume nor share. Zero,
zip, nada.

Your books are useless below a 0.5 share.

Actually, you have that totally wrong. If a station has less than about the
equivalent of a 0.3 share, Arbitron considers them not to meet Minimum
Reporting Standards because they do not appear in enough diaries, with
enough time listening, to be considered significant. To Arbitron, anything
below the MRS standard is not representative of any real listening and is
purely coincidental and not reliable; such stations are not "in the book" to
use their term.

So any station not appearing in a handful of diaries at least is considered
to have zero significant listening and whatever mentions may occur (there
are 30,000 diaries for LA in a year) can come from away from home listening
or poorly described internet listening or any number of other sources.

In LA, a station with a 0.5 share can bill $5 million dollars a year. It's
significant. KGO has a 0.0 share.

On Sep 15, 11:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...



Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless
there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson
AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way.

Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this
discussion has to be about commercial radio.

This is incorrect. The fact that there are currently only a handful of
non-commercial AMs does not entail that there could not be a greater
number of non-commercial AMs. To discuss not only what AM is but the
ways in which it could change in the future is perfectly legitimate.
This is precisely the problem with you and the other proponents of AM
HD: instead of looking to the future, you instead look to the past.


By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners
expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time.

"My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from
old age.

You obviously don't understand the meaning of "median".

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:10:37 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


Actually, you are wrong on several counts.

First, just the top 50 metro survey areas have 50% of the US population....
and there are 250 more rated markets. Together, the rated metro markets are
something like 82% of the US population.

8500 stations are in the top 300 metros, and there are 6,500 serving the
rest.... in other words, that 18% outside the metros is many times better
served than the metros, based on station count to population ratio.

Second, the old 1-As, two dozen in number vs. nearly 14,000 US radio
stations, have nothing in the license or the FCC rules requiring them to
serve anything other than the community or city of license.

Third, there is so little AM listening at night that the opportunity to
serve anywhere when few are listening is minimal. The 1-As were created
before TV when most radio listening was at night to non-local network
shows. Today, TV is the night medium, and there is little interest in night
radio.

There is no service of any kind unless a reasonable profit can be made.

You are a tool and a robot. I am in your so-called ''metro survey
area'' but I am way out of the coverage area of all but 2 local
stations at night, therefore I am part of the half of the population
that lives outside the suburbs.

How many people watch TV at night? How many don't? How many of those
that don't listen to the radio? How many of those listen to AM radio?

Until last night, the flamethrowers ruled the Bohemian airwaves, for
people who aren't slaves to the idiot box.

David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, I suppose there's no COMMERCIAL service of any kind unless
there's profit made. Come to think of it, this is precisely the lesson
AM HD broadcasters are about to learn....the hard way.

Since there are literally only a handful of non-commercial AMs, this
discussion has to be about commercial radio.

By the way, while you were posting here, more of your listeners
expired. Guess the colloidal silver didn't reach 'em in time.

"My" listeners have a median age of about 33. None of them are expiring from
old age.

How many are Chifakos?