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HD radio won't just go away.
Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a
good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. The only way out of this that I see is that some entity with deep pockets poses a legal challenge to the FCC mandate. This really isn't a consumer issue but rather a big business/ government deal and will take legal action to reverse and I'm not sure it can be. Consumers don't count, surveys don't count and the number of radios sold doesn't mean anything. This is the sad truth. Since the FCC violated its own rules on radio interference and since it's in bed with iBiquity and no other systems were even considered it will be a very difficult challenge. Remember all this when it comes time to vote and consider that we are no longer represented by our elected officials but, rather, we are being controlled by them. The FCC's decision of letting the market decide was just their way of begining a full scale deployment. It's an incremental deployment. The next step will be increasing the power levels for the transmitted digital component and ibiquity is lobbying heavily for that now. Watch and see. |
HD radio won't just go away.
On Sep 25, 9:04 am, Rfburns wrote:
Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. The only way out of this that I see is that some entity with deep pockets poses a legal challenge to the FCC mandate. This really isn't a consumer issue but rather a big business/ government deal and will take legal action to reverse and I'm not sure it can be. Consumers don't count, surveys don't count and the number of radios sold doesn't mean anything. This is the sad truth. Since the FCC violated its own rules on radio interference and since it's in bed with iBiquity and no other systems were even considered it will be a very difficult challenge. Remember all this when it comes time to vote and consider that we are no longer represented by our elected officials but, rather, we are being controlled by them. The FCC's decision of letting the market decide was just their way of begining a full scale deployment. It's an incremental deployment. The next step will be increasing the power levels for the transmitted digital component and ibiquity is lobbying heavily for that now. Watch and see. Oh it will go away all right, but not until it has insured, once and for all, that MW/AM broadcasting will never be commercially viable. |
HD radio won't just go away.
On Sep 25, 9:04 am, Rfburns wrote:
Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. The only way out of this that I see is that some entity with deep pockets poses a legal challenge to the FCC mandate. This really isn't a consumer issue but rather a big business/ government deal and will take legal action to reverse and I'm not sure it can be. Consumers don't count, surveys don't count and the number of radios sold doesn't mean anything. This is the sad truth. Since the FCC violated its own rules on radio interference and since it's in bed with iBiquity and no other systems were even considered it will be a very difficult challenge. Remember all this when it comes time to vote and consider that we are no longer represented by our elected officials but, rather, we are being controlled by them. The FCC's decision of letting the market decide was just their way of begining a full scale deployment. It's an incremental deployment. The next step will be increasing the power levels for the transmitted digital component and ibiquity is lobbying heavily for that now. Watch and see. Are you obsessive-compulsive - here we go again! It is up to consumers to determine the fate of HD Radio - period: "4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio" http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm There is zero consumer interest in HD Radio - period: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...ains-flat.html There are indications that HD Radio is failing and will disappear - period: http://hdradiofarce.blogspot.com/200...y-be-near.html Jesus-****ing-Christ - enough already! |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:04:01 -0700, Rfburns
wrote: Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. The only way out of this that I see is that some entity with deep pockets poses a legal challenge to the FCC mandate. This really isn't a consumer issue but rather a big business/ government deal and will take legal action to reverse and I'm not sure it can be. Consumers don't count, surveys don't count and the number of radios sold doesn't mean anything. This is the sad truth. Since the FCC violated its own rules on radio interference and since it's in bed with iBiquity and no other systems were even considered it will be a very difficult challenge. Remember all this when it comes time to vote and consider that we are no longer represented by our elected officials but, rather, we are being controlled by them. The FCC's decision of letting the market decide was just their way of begining a full scale deployment. It's an incremental deployment. The next step will be increasing the power levels for the transmitted digital component and ibiquity is lobbying heavily for that now. Watch and see. Digital makes conditional access possible. It is the first step to all pay radio. |
HD radio won't just go away.
Rfburns wrote: Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. Switching to digital just makes sense. Digital makes better use of the limited space available. With digital the FM band would effectively triple or even quadruple the number of channels on the dial. (Alternatively Classical FM stations could boost the sound from 2 channel stereo to 5.1 surround.) That's good for the consumer, and something I'd like to see happen. As for AM... well to be honest, I don't even care. AM is largely ignored by myself, since there's little there worth hearing. (Rush Limbaugh? Michael Medved? Some Liberal Nutjob? Pu-leeze. Not thanks.) But as long as I'm upgrading my FM to digital, we might as well bring AM along for the ride, too. I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. |
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On Sep 29, 9:21 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more or better programming options. |
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On Sep 29, 8:50 am, Steve wrote:
On Sep 29, 9:21 am, SFTV_troy wrote: I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more... Yes it does. Each station gets split into 3 or even 4 sub-channels. For example one of my local stations has split into (1) Christian talk/ education programs (as they've done for the last 50 years). (2) An all-music channel. (3) Another all-music channel, but teen- oriented. ----- Thus giving more choice to the listener, in the same way XM Radio has more channels and more choices. or better programming options. True. It might be the same old crap. But then neither does sticking with the old Analog standard improve anything. Better to (a) upgrade to digital and hope for more variety/ better programming, than to (b) Do nothing and keep the current crapfest. |
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On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 29, 8:50 am, Steve wrote: On Sep 29, 9:21 am, SFTV_troy wrote: I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more... Yes it does. Each station gets split into 3 or even 4 sub-channels. For example one of my local stations has split into (1) Christian talk/ education programs (as they've done for the last 50 years). (2) An all-music channel. (3) Another all-music channel, but teen- oriented. ----- Thus giving more choice to the listener, in the same way XM Radio has more channels and more choices. or better programming options. Yes, on channel 1 you can hear the informercial about colloidal silver, on channel 2 you have some ginseng supplement, on channel three the amazing hgh and on channel four a guide to investing in gold. True. It might be the same old crap. But then neither does sticking with the old Analog standard improve anything. True, but better programming would improve a lot. And it wouldn't require new technology. And it wouldn't destroy MW. And you should be able to hear it from more than ten blocks away. Better to (a) upgrade to digital and hope for more variety/ better programming, than to (b) Do nothing and keep the current crapfest. No one's saying do nothing. A lot of folks are just saying "don't do something that's only going to make the situation worse." |
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In article om,
SFTV_troy wrote: Rfburns wrote: Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. Switching to digital just makes sense. Really? And just how does that make sense? Digital makes better use of the limited space available. How does a digital mode do that? With digital the FM band would effectively triple or even quadruple the number of channels on the dial. (Alternatively Classical FM stations could boost the sound from 2 channel stereo to 5.1 surround.) Do you understand the consequences of what you propose? Apparently you do not. That's good for the consumer, and something I'd like to see happen. How do you know that going to a digital mode of transmission would be good for the consumer? You don't think there is a down side? As for AM... well to be honest, I don't even care. AM is largely ignored by myself, since there's little there worth hearing. (Rush Limbaugh? Michael Medved? Some Liberal Nutjob? Pu-leeze. Not thanks.) But as long as I'm upgrading my FM to digital, we might as well bring AM along for the ride, too. Thanks for informing anyone reading the news group of your preferences not that anyone would care. I don't have the vaguest idea who you are so why should I care? Many people listen to the programs on the AM band care about the programs you don't like. I'm impressed that you would consider "bringing AM along for the ride" for us peasants though. I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. How wonderful. What a simply splendid idea. I just have to ask why you think this is such a great idea? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Steve wrote: On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, SFTV_troy wrote: On Sep 29, 8:50 am, Steve wrote: You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more... Yes it does. Each station gets split into 3 or even 4 sub-channels. For example one of my local stations has split into (1) Christian talk/ education programs (as they've done for the last 50 years). (2) An all-music channel. (3) Another all-music channel, but teen- oriented. ----- Thus giving more choice to the listener, in the same way XM Radio has more channels and more choices. Yes, on channel 1 you can hear the informercial about colloidal silver, on channel 2 you have some ginseng supplement, on channel three the amazing hgh and on channel four investing in gold. Uh, no. Perhaps you misunderstood, so let me repeat it: Channels: (1) Christian talk. (2) All-music. (3) Teen-oriented music. ----- And the other station I like to tune-in has these channels: (1) Adult rock. (2) Soft rock (instrumental). These are ACTUAL programs, not made-up fiction. Better to (a) upgrade to digital and hope for more variety/ better programming, than to (b) Do nothing and keep the current crapfest. True, but better programming would improve a lot. And it wouldn't require new technology. And it wouldn't destroy MW. New technology might not improve the programming, but it will triple or even quadruple the number of choices. (See above.) And once the analog is phased out, and the HD Radio is restricted to the standard 10 kilohertz width (mode 3), everything will be good again. No more overlapping stations. (That is only a *temporary* situation, not a permanent one.) No one's saying do nothing. A lot of folks are just saying "don't do something that's only going to make the situation worse." Sounds reasonable, but if you want to transition from AM-analog to AM- digital, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. Even the European Union's DRM methodology spills-over into adjacent channels (10 kHz AM + 5 kHz DRM). Plus it's only limited to ~10 kilobits per second.... barely adequate. But that's the price you have to pay when you upgrade.... like when color TV arrived. Or the necessity to get new Digital TV receivers. You phase-out the old, and phase-in the new. BTW: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. No doubt that distant AM station you can no longer hear is still available to you. Just visit their website & listen to their stream (and you don't need to wait until night; you can do it during the day too). |
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SFTV_troy wrote: Steve wrote: On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, SFTV_troy wrote: On Sep 29, 8:50 am, Steve wrote: You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more... Yes it does. Each station gets split into 3 or even 4 sub-channels. For example one of my local stations has split into (1) Christian talk/ education programs (as they've done for the last 50 years). (2) An all-music channel. (3) Another all-music channel, but teen- oriented. ----- Thus giving more choice to the listener, in the same way XM Radio has more channels and more choices. Yes, on channel 1 you can hear the informercial about colloidal silver, on channel 2 you have some ginseng supplement, on channel three the amazing hgh and on channel four investing in gold. Uh, no. Perhaps you misunderstood, so let me repeat it: Channels: (1) Christian talk. (2) All-music. (3) Teen-oriented music. ----- And the other station I like to tune-in has these channels: (1) Adult rock. (2) Soft rock (instrumental). These are ACTUAL programs, not made-up fiction. Better to (a) upgrade to digital and hope for more variety/ better programming, than to (b) Do nothing and keep the current crapfest. True, but better programming would improve a lot. And it wouldn't require new technology. And it wouldn't destroy MW. New technology might not improve the programming, but it will triple or even quadruple the number of choices. (See above.) And once the analog is phased out, and the HD Radio is restricted to the standard 10 kilohertz width (mode 3), everything will be good again. No more overlapping stations. (That is only a *temporary* situation, not a permanent one.) No one's saying do nothing. A lot of folks are just saying "don't do something that's only going to make the situation worse." Sounds reasonable, but if you want to transition from AM-analog to AM- digital, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. Even the European Union's DRM methodology spills-over into adjacent channels (10 kHz AM + 5 kHz DRM). Plus it's only limited to ~10 kilobits per second.... barely adequate. But that's the price you have to pay when you upgrade.... like when color TV arrived. Or the necessity to get new Digital TV receivers. You phase-out the old, and phase-in the new. BTW: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Sep 29, 2:46 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article om, SFTV_troy wrote: Rfburns wrote: Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. Switching to digital just makes sense. Really? And just how does that make sense? Digital makes better use of the limited space available. How does a digital mode do that? Analog modes are inefficient, because they waste bandwidth sending sounds you can not hear. Digital only removes that extraneous information, and thus uses the space more efficiently. Which is why a digital radio like HD can squeeze 5 channels into the same space as 2- channel FM. ----- Or five FM-quality (64 kbps each) programs into the space of 1 FM channel. Digital psychoacoustic modeling is more efficient (sends only sounds you can hear), than the older inefficient analog modulations (that waste space sending sound you can't hear). With digital the FM band would effectively triple or even quadruple the number of channels on the dial. (Alternatively Classical FM stations could boost the sound from 2 channel stereo to 5.1 surround.) Do you understand the consequences of what you propose? Apparently you do not. No, because I can not read your mind. Please explain the consequences. How do you know that going to a digital mode of transmission would be good for the consumer? You don't think there is a down side? Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) To date, I've not seen a downside to abandoning Analog format and adopting new Digital ones. But I'm sure you have some. What are the downsides? I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. How wonderful. What a simply splendid idea. I just have to ask why you think this is such a great idea? Already answered in my previous post. |
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In article . com,
SFTV_troy wrote: Steve wrote: On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, SFTV_troy wrote: On Sep 29, 8:50 am, Steve wrote: You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more... Yes it does. Each station gets split into 3 or even 4 sub-channels. For example one of my local stations has split into (1) Christian talk/ education programs (as they've done for the last 50 years). (2) An all-music channel. (3) Another all-music channel, but teen- oriented. ----- Thus giving more choice to the listener, in the same way XM Radio has more channels and more choices. Yes, on channel 1 you can hear the informercial about colloidal silver, on channel 2 you have some ginseng supplement, on channel three the amazing hgh and on channel four investing in gold. Uh, no. Perhaps you misunderstood, so let me repeat it: Channels: (1) Christian talk. (2) All-music. (3) Teen-oriented music. ----- And the other station I like to tune-in has these channels: (1) Adult rock. (2) Soft rock (instrumental). These are ACTUAL programs, not made-up fiction. Steve quoted you actual programs or infomercials not fiction. Better to (a) upgrade to digital and hope for more variety/ better programming, than to (b) Do nothing and keep the current crapfest. True, but better programming would improve a lot. And it wouldn't require new technology. And it wouldn't destroy MW. New technology might not improve the programming, but it will triple or even quadruple the number of choices. (See above.) And once the analog is phased out, and the HD Radio is restricted to the standard 10 kilohertz width (mode 3), everything will be good again. No more overlapping stations. (That is only a *temporary* situation, not a permanent one.) HD is not made of new technology. No one's saying do nothing. A lot of folks are just saying "don't do something that's only going to make the situation worse." Sounds reasonable, but if you want to transition from AM-analog to AM- digital, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. Even the European Union's DRM methodology spills-over into adjacent channels (10 kHz AM + 5 kHz DRM). Plus it's only limited to ~10 kilobits per second.... barely adequate. It is OK with me if you make some sacrifices but don't volunteer other people, that tends to tick them off. But that's the price you have to pay when you upgrade.... like when color TV arrived. Or the necessity to get new Digital TV receivers. You phase-out the old, and phase-in the new. Color TV signals did not trash black and white reception. Nice try. BTW: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. It won't be the same. If you don't understand then why post here? You obviously do not understand what this news group is about. No doubt that distant AM station you can no longer hear is still available to you. Just visit their website & listen to their stream (and you don't need to wait until night; you can do it during the day too). You don't get it at all do you. Pathetic. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"SFTV_troy" wrote in message ups.com... Sounds reasonable, but if you want to transition from AM-analog to AM- digital, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. Even the European Union's DRM methodology spills-over into adjacent channels (10 kHz AM + 5 kHz DRM). Plus it's only limited to ~10 kilobits per second.... barely adequate. But that's the price you have to pay when you upgrade.... like when color TV arrived. Or the necessity to get new Digital TV receivers. You phase-out the old, and phase-in the new. When they went to color TV, nobody lost the abililty to watch on their B/W sets. When they went to FM Stereo, nobody lost the ability to listen on their monaural radios. When they went to AM Stereo, nobody lost the ability to listen on their monaural radios. When they went to TV stereo, nobody lost the ability to listen on their monaural TV's. In the latter two cases, listening got BETTER on the old technology due to accompanying changes in audio bandwidth, allowing for better fidelity. Digital is NOT better. It may allow the cramming of more into the same space, but more is not better. Digital TV (except the higher bandwidth/bitrate HDTV signals) looks like crap. The pixelization is terrible, the artifacting is hideous, and the fact that the signal just drops out entirely below a certain level is unacceptable. I'd rather have a bit of snow, and still be able to watch my television than have "clear" picture and then NO picture. Same with radio. Digital signals are not robust enough, and will drop out entirely in low signal areas, rather than just getting a little less quiet. This ain't "better", hoss, just different.. and mostly in a bad way.. |
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In article om,
SFTV_troy wrote: On Sep 29, 2:46 pm, Telamon wrote: In article om, SFTV_troy wrote: Rfburns wrote: Despite the fact that both the AM and FM versions of HD radio are a good example of out-of -control technology that nobody really wants, the FCC has mandated that all broadcasting will be digital. Therefore, I see no turning back regardless of what the consumer does or doesn't want or understand. Switching to digital just makes sense. Really? And just how does that make sense? Digital makes better use of the limited space available. How does a digital mode do that? Analog modes are inefficient, because they waste bandwidth sending sounds you can not hear. Digital only removes that extraneous information, and thus uses the space more efficiently. Utter rubbish. Which is why a digital radio like HD can squeeze 5 channels into the same space as 2- channel FM. ----- Or five FM-quality (64 kbps each) programs into the space of 1 FM channel. And have poor sound quality. Digital psychoacoustic modeling is more efficient (sends only sounds you can hear), than the older inefficient analog modulations (that waste space sending sound you can't hear). Compression algorithms generate poor quality sound voice or music. Compression algorithms are no substitute for a higher bit rate. With digital the FM band would effectively triple or even quadruple the number of channels on the dial. (Alternatively Classical FM stations could boost the sound from 2 channel stereo to 5.1 surround.) Do you understand the consequences of what you propose? Apparently you do not. No, because I can not read your mind. Please explain the consequences. The answer is no because you don't understand what you are posting about. The simple answer is you don't get something for nothing. Transmitting intelligence has three basic parameters, distance, power, and bandwidth. I suggest you read up on the theory of transmission of information and then post back here after you are informed. How do you know that going to a digital mode of transmission would be good for the consumer? You don't think there is a down side? Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) To date, I've not seen a downside to abandoning Analog format and adopting new Digital ones. But I'm sure you have some. What are the downsides? None of what you mentioned above bears on the subject at hand. CD, DVD, and the like are the media digital data is recorded on. Radio is information transmission over distance. Not at all the same thing. I want to see FM upgraded with three to four times more programs to choose from. How wonderful. What a simply splendid idea. I just have to ask why you think this is such a great idea? Already answered in my previous post. Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. |
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"SFTV_troy" wrote in message ps.com... Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) No downside? Ever hear of replacement costs? Ever hear of unavailability of product? Ever hear of CHOICE? Those that think there is no downside to "upgrading" technology do not take a myriad of factors into account, some small (like the DX hobby), some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) to larger still (the obsoleting of literally hundred of millions (possibly even billions) of currently useful devices (analog TV's (especially portables), analog radios, turntables, cassette decks, ad inf.). And has anyone considered the long term ecological repercussions of having to dispose of all these millions of now useless devices? "Progress" don't come for free. Sometimes it costs more than people are willing to pay. Digital radio is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist, and is/will create(ing) more problems than it solves. You mention digital satellite radio. That's fine, and I wouldn't mind giving it a try.. but hey, satellite radio doesn't affect my ability to listen to any of hundreds or more terrestrial analog stations whenever I choose. IBOC terrestrial radios DOES! If you want to listen to digital radio, then get yourself an XM or Sirius radio and listen to your heart's content.... just don't expect the millions of people in the US alone that IBOC is negatively affecting to just roll over and play dead. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. That may work out for you but most people do not have the self delusional capacity you possess. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. That may work out for you but most people do not have the self delusional capacity you possess. The other way to see this is from the perspective that there are not many AM (MW) DXers left. The combined IRCA and NRC membership is around or less than a thousand in North America... compare that to when RaDex was sold at the news rack at the corner drugstore and DXing was engaged in by millions. |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:57:46 GMT, Telamon
wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. That may work out for you but most people do not have the self delusional capacity you possess. and a lot fof olks don't have the stomach for the efforts of people like you to tell what they must think "one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress" adams woger you are a Congress all in your own head http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/ and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well G -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD channels. Where is the logic in that? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:11:00 GMT, Telamon
wrote: In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD channels. Where is the logic in that? to serve niche markets I would loved such choices when I staion out in OK I got realy tired of C&W "one useless man is disgrace 2 become a law firm 3 or more become a congress" adams woger you are a Congress all in your own head http://kb9rqz.bravejournal.com/ and get ou the newly recovered KB9RQZ.blogspot.com as well G -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. That may work out for you but most people do not have the self delusional capacity you possess. The other way to see this is from the perspective that there are not many AM (MW) DXers left. The combined IRCA and NRC membership is around or less than a thousand in North America... compare that to when RaDex was sold at the news rack at the corner drugstore and DXing was engaged in by millions. I just do not believe your contention that the numbers of people that listen to night time AMBCB are small. I think there is a great deal of regional listening at night and non-local stations during the day where reception is of good quality such as where I live on the coast. There are plenty of people that listen to stations that are not local in order to hear a program not broadcast locally. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. Edwina, you're an idiot. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD channels. Where is the logic in that? Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of FMs in any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats. With HD 2 channels, there is. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... I just do not believe your contention that the numbers of people that listen to night time AMBCB are small. I think there is a great deal of regional listening at night and non-local stations during the day where reception is of good quality such as where I live on the coast. There are plenty of people that listen to stations that are not local in order to hear a program not broadcast locally. There are no facts to support your contention. Listening to out of market stations is very small (by the way, Ventura, Riverside West and San Bernardino West are all in the LA DMA... the metro definition that matches the TV metro area). Still, in your county, there is pretty limited in-market listening to out of market stations. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. Edwina, you're an idiot. I suppose it was my idea to discontinue the R8B? There was not enough market, you fool. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message t... Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD channels. Where is the logic in that? Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of FMs in any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats. With HD 2 channels, there is. Now, now, Eduardo... you know full well that the reason that a given format is not available in a given market is because it's just not profitable to program it. The only difference with IBOC-FM is that now they can use a single plant to provide multiple formats.. I don't see a lot of stations doing this, though, on a long-range model, since these formats will still not be profitable. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message t... The other way to see this is from the perspective that there are not many AM (MW) DXers left. The combined IRCA and NRC membership is around or less than a thousand in North America... compare that to when RaDex was sold at the news rack at the corner drugstore and DXing was engaged in by millions. You DO realize, don't you, that most AMBCB DX'ers (or SWL's for that matter) do not belong to clubs? That most are not even aware these clubs exist? Do you think that I cared about clubs when I was lying in the grass when I was 14 listening to Wolfman Jack (or the Grand Ol' Opry on weekends) on my pocket radio? Do you think that those kids listening to a ball game from a distant station when they should have been sleeping know or care about DX clubs? Or the trucker tuning across the dial to find something worth listening to (hard to do these days when all you got at night is George Noory)? Only the hardcore DX nerds know or care about DX clubs. Most just listen for fun or the excitement of hearing something from far away. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD channels. Where is the logic in that? Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of FMs in any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats. With HD 2 channels, there is. I'm sorry, I fail to see the logic of your argument. Try again. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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dxAce wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. Edwina, you're an idiot. It just looks that way to us DxAce because you and I don't share the level of self delusion that Eduardo has attained. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I just do not believe your contention that the numbers of people that listen to night time AMBCB are small. I think there is a great deal of regional listening at night and non-local stations during the day where reception is of good quality such as where I live on the coast. There are plenty of people that listen to stations that are not local in order to hear a program not broadcast locally. There are no facts to support your contention. Listening to out of market stations is very small (by the way, Ventura, Riverside West and San Bernardino West are all in the LA DMA... the metro definition that matches the TV metro area). Still, in your county, there is pretty limited in-market listening to out of market stations. You have no facts to support your contention since all the waking hours revolve around the commercial radio books. The statistics you look at don't address the regional listening. Now don't go back on the word of your previous posts. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. Edwina, you're an idiot. I suppose it was my idea to discontinue the R8B? There was not enough market, you fool. It might have been an idea of yours. I'm not a mind reader. I'm not the self delusional one here...fool. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On Sep 29, 6:20 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
Steve wrote: On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, SFTV_troy wrote: On Sep 29, 8:50 am, Steve wrote: You're making the most elementary of mistakes here. More channels does not equal more... Yes it does. Each station gets split into 3 or even 4 sub-channels. For example one of my local stations has split into (1) Christian talk/ education programs (as they've done for the last 50 years). (2) An all-music channel. (3) Another all-music channel, but teen- oriented. ----- Thus giving more choice to the listener, in the same way XM Radio has more channels and more choices. Yes, on channel 1 you can hear the informercial about colloidal silver, on channel 2 you have some ginseng supplement, on channel three the amazing hgh and on channel four investing in gold. Uh, no. Perhaps you misunderstood, so let me repeat it: Channels: (1) Christian talk. (2) All-music. (3) Teen-oriented music. ----- And the other station I like to tune-in has these channels: (1) Adult rock. (2) Soft rock (instrumental). Soft rock? "Teen-oriented" music? All of a sudden, infomercials don't sound half bad. These are ACTUAL programs, not made-up fiction. Why don't you just turn your radio off? Better to (a) upgrade to digital and hope for more variety/ better programming, than to (b) Do nothing and keep the current crapfest. True, but better programming would improve a lot. And it wouldn't require new technology. And it wouldn't destroy MW. New technology might not improve the programming, but it will triple or even quadruple the number of choices. (See above.) It will only increase choice for those who live a stone's throw from the transmitter. It will deprive everyone else of their choice, which is analog. And once the analog is phased out, and the HD Radio is restricted to the standard 10 kilohertz width (mode 3), everything will be good again. No more overlapping stations. (That is only a *temporary* situation, not a permanent one.) Of course, this is when all of the programming become *really* generic. 500 channels and nothin' on. No one's saying do nothing. A lot of folks are just saying "don't do something that's only going to make the situation worse." Sounds reasonable, but if you want to transition from AM-analog to AM- digital, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. In that case, I'm prepared to stick with analog. Sounds good to me. Even the European Union's DRM methodology spills-over into adjacent channels (10 kHz AM + 5 kHz DRM). Plus it's only limited to ~10 kilobits per second.... barely adequate. Yes, but everyone knows that DRM sucks. But that's the price you have to pay when you upgrade.... like when color TV arrived. Or the necessity to get new Digital TV receivers. You phase-out the old, and phase-in the new. What I don't get is, how is this an 'upgrade'? It seems more like a "downgrade" or switching to a new, but ultimately inferior, technology. BTW: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. No doubt that distant AM station you can no longer hear is still available to you. Just visit their website & listen to their stream (and you don't need to wait until night; you can do it during the day too).- Hide quoted text - Well hell, if you're listening to internet radio, who needs HD! |
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On Sep 29, 6:31 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
To date, I've not seen a downside to abandoning Analog format and adopting new Digital ones. That's cool. Just read a few of the threads here. |
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On Sep 29, 7:38 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. While you're on the internet, maybe you should visit a diploma mill. That would be right up your alley. |
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On Sep 29, 7:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. So? Why does this get your panties in a bunch? |
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On Sep 29, 8:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... SFTV_troy wrote: I don't really understand why people are upset about the loss of DX'ing over AM (only temporarily; it will be restored when AM goes pure digital). You can still do DX'ing via using services like shoutcast.com. Just yesterday at work I was listening to an Australian station. Another favorite of mine is located in England. DX'ing is still alive and well on the internet. Uh... that's NOT DX'ing. It may well become the DXing of the 21st Century. That may work out for you but most people do not have the self delusional capacity you possess. The other way to see this is from the perspective that there are not many AM (MW) DXers left. The combined IRCA and NRC membership is around or less than a thousand in North America... compare that to when RaDex was sold at the news rack at the corner drugstore and DXing was engaged in by millions.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Apparently there are enough to keep you awake at night. Lol. |
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On Sep 29, 8:24 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... Why should more channels of the same content be something people would want? That's just it! The HD 2 channels in most markets are totally non-duplicative of the Analog/HD1 channel content. NY has, for example, things like traditional jazz, country, classic hip hop, 50's and early 60's oldies, standards, etc. that are not available on main channels. Why should formats that are not stations now be added as additional HD channels. Where is the logic in that? Because many formats are excluded because, with the finite number of FMs in any market, there is not room for the second tier of formats. With HD 2 channels, there is.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Why should we believe you about this when you lie about your academic history? |
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