Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab


Is this it? This is laughable! Have you been on the internet recently?


There are more channels listed there, then exist on Radio AOL / XM.

On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora



I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.

On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:02:30 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.


The UK radio station I listen to most doesn't have a playlist. It has
news, features, radio plays, comedies, arcane quizzes, book readings,
deep current affairs, arts programmes....

I don't want radio that plays records. I can buy records. I want all
that other good stuff.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

Roadie wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)

Wow...that's pretty impressive.

See you later. I am running out to get a new radio.
Of course XM ,Sirius and the internet have almost all of those and
more and unlike those services I do not see baseball (XM and internet)
or NFL (Sirius and internet).

On Oct 2, 2:15 pm, wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

Is this it? This is laughable! Have you been on the internet recently?

There are more channels listed there, then exist on Radio AOL / XM.

LOL!!! Do two websites exhaust the internet?

On Oct 2, 2:27 pm, George Grapman wrote:
Roadie wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)

Wow...that's pretty impressive.

See you later. I am running out to get a new radio.
Of course XM ,Sirius and the internet have almost all of those and
more

No. Not "almost all of these". Simply "more".

and unlike those services I do not see baseball (XM and internet)
or NFL (Sirius and internet).

If you don't want to see anything about baseball on the internet,
don't look at it. As for HD, I'm sure there's a station/channel
somewhere where you can find a baseball game.

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora



I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.

I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.

"David Kaye" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot
or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is
very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.

The Pandora technology uses a very complex fingerprint of a song, not
someone's assumption of genre, style, etc.

I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora



I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.



I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.

Even an Ipod on shuffle is better than pandora. Computers are dumb,
and the computer behind Pandora is also quite dumb with its poor
selections & repetitive playing.