On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

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"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

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David Eduardo wrote:

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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.


The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

Not exactly. The listeners only get to choose from among the songs
appearing on a master list which is compiled by someone in the industry.
If a particular song isn't on that list, the listeners obviously can't
choose it for a station's playlist. So the question is, who is the
mystery person that compiles the master list of songs? That person holds
the power of deciding what songs can be chosen by the listeners for the
station playlist.

On Oct 10, 12:54 am, Skybird wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

Not exactly. The listeners only get to choose from among the songs
appearing on a master list which is compiled by someone in the industry.
If a particular song isn't on that list, the listeners obviously can't
choose it for a station's playlist. So the question is, who is the
mystery person that compiles the master list of songs? That person holds
the power of deciding what songs can be chosen by the listeners for the
station playlist.

Death metal in AM stereo is still a fond memory during the Las Vegas
IBOC trials in 2002.

On Oct 10, 2:54 am, Skybird wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

Not exactly. The listeners only get to choose from among the songs
appearing on a master list which is compiled by someone in the industry.
If a particular song isn't on that list, the listeners obviously can't
choose it for a station's playlist. So the question is, who is the
mystery person that compiles the master list of songs? That person holds
the power of deciding what songs can be chosen by the listeners for the
station playlist.

That's why Pandora, Last.FM, and Slacker cream HD Radio:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/hdr....fm/?metric=uv

On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora



I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.

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On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora



I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.

I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.

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On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot
or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is
very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.

The Pandora technology uses a very complex fingerprint of a song, not
someone's assumption of genre, style, etc.

I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.

David Eduardo wrote:
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On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora



I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.


You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.



I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.

Even an Ipod on shuffle is better than pandora. Computers are dumb,
and the computer behind Pandora is also quite dumb with its poor
selections & repetitive playing.

On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
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On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora

I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.

Even an Ipod on shuffle is better than pandora. Computers are dumb,
and the computer behind Pandora is also quite dumb with its poor
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Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.