On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
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On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora

I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.

Even an Ipod on shuffle is better than pandora. Computers are dumb,
and the computer behind Pandora is also quite dumb with its poor
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Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.

I spoke with a Clear Chanel guy (yes, I do seem to know everybody) and
he told me that the Format Lab is a test designed to discover listener
acceptance of new format ideas. He told me that they gauge number of
listeners, time spent listening, time of day, and listener location
(to a certain extent). I asked about registration, and he said that
the idea is to bring in the most listeners possible and that
registration reduces response by as much as 80%, so they don't do
it.

I don't know of any CCU stations that have used a Format Lab format in
changing station formats, so I don't know the mechanism for doing
that.

I find myself listening to Format Lab often as I sit in cafes. Among
my favorites at the moment are Undies (underground indies), and Vegas
Gold, which is mostly lounge singers of yesterday and today.

In article om,
wrote:

I'm listening to some of them right now (at work).

More baloney for the pretend digital engineer. Every place of business
I've worked at bans audio streaming. Your employer does not want the
bandwidth he pays for going for your entertainment.

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On Oct 2, 3:54 am, wrote:
Check it out for yourself:http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/formatlab

You've never once listened to any of these. Better luck next time,
liar


40s
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
2000s

AT40 w/ Kasey Kasem - lots of obscure, rarely heard 80s songs
Blues Channel
Can You Dig It ("old skool" hip-hop/ motown)
Classic Dance (disco)
Classic Country (50s/60s)
Endless Love (romantic)
The GiG (live concerts)
Heat (rhythm and blues)
Jazz
JokeJoke (comedy greats)

Kiwi (for teens)
La Bomba (latin music)
The Mood (slow, easy listening)
NASCAR
New Age
New Hits (just-released stuff/interviews)
The Number Ones (only the best)
RadioRadio (classic alternative 70s/80s)
Relaxation Channel (sounds of nature)

Random (anything)
Sirens (all women)
Showtunes
Totally Kids (Hannah Montana, Jonas Bros, et cetera)
Trancid (house)
Undies Indie Rock
Undiscovered
Vegas Gold (the standards)

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!

On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

On Oct 2, 4:13?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Oct 2, 12:33 pm, wrote:

such as Ford's (Microsoft's) new Sync will allow seamless streaming of
iPods and cell phones that contain Pandora

I thought the RIAA was against user-selected songs. For example if
you use Pandora, the *machine* chooses the music, not you.

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.



- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

On Oct 2, 5:15?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Oct 2, 1:13 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

You can create a start point, with a list of songs. Pandora creates a
playlist based on those songs, and you can indicate those you like a lot
or
don't want to hear again, and Pandora refines its list for you. It is
very
cool, particularly the engine behind it.

I'm not convinced. All I had to do was choose Bob Wills as a starting
point and Pandora began selecting everything from Willie Nelson to
Travis Tritt. Uh, no. Bob Wills is closer to Benny Goodman than to
the country stars. The so-called "music genome" project is not
science. It is a subjective measure based on obvious bias; in this
case a bias that says "all country music is the same". I happen to
hate most country music, but I'll drop what I'm doing to go out and
hear any Western swing band.

The Pandora technology uses a very complex fingerprint of a song, not
someone's assumption of genre, style, etc.



I happen to know a couple people who work for Pandora as listeners or
evaluators or whatever they're called. They're not convinced that the
"genome" project is very scientific at all.

Their "engine" such as it is, appears to be a database that selects
based on an average of about 30 of their 200 or so criteria. And it
looks as if they toss in an occasional random selection about every 20
songs or so.- Hide quoted text -

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- Show quoted text -

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!

Because listener research is used to determine the good and bad songs so
stations can play the best ones. You really don't think that a station
program director just makes up the list of songs to be played, do you?

http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio%20Research.htm shows how this is done.

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On Oct 2, 2:02?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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The problem is the "personalized" music services, such as Pandor,
Slacker, and Last.FM which allow the listener to program their own
"personalized" music stations. clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio just runs
what some programmer thinks listeners want to hear, not listener
chosen, personalized playlists.

The playlists on terrestrial radio are chosen by listeners.

Where the hell did you get THAT idea - laughable!

- Because listener research is used to determine the good and
- bad songs so stations can play the best ones.

- You really don't think that a station program director just
- makes up the list of songs to be played, do you?

Considering the questionable accuracy of the information on
your personal webpage -you just may be making up the list-

- http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio%20Research.htm
- shows how this is done.

Who Would Know ? -and- Who Would Care ?

On Oct 2, 5:38 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:12 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:


I found it to be very ineffective. I would type in Avril Lavigne who
I like, and then it would play some dumb song from some no-name artist
I'd never heard. And I'd click "skip". Again and again. Eventually
it reached a point where Pandora kept playing the same songs over-and-
over.

I prefer a human programmer. They'll typically do a "no repeat
workday" thus providing lots of variety, but also having a huge
library of classic hits.


Sounds like you're simply scared of Pandora because it represents
progress and technological innovation.




Not really. I was one of the FIRST people to try pandora, almost two
years ago.

You keep swinging-and-missing.



BTW you really love your computer's internet. Have you tried
"interfacing" with the female port yet? It's probably more exciting
than teh blow-up doll you've been using.