CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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Watching the news today, and doing some Google searches to verify my
information.. I'm wondering how much Clear Channel had to do with Romney
dropping out of the race. Since CC is owned by Bain Investments, which in
turn is owned (run?) by Romney, doesn't that create a HUMONGOUS conflict
of interest, and violate federal election laws?

Clear Channel is not owend by Bain Capital and Thos. Lee Partners, and will
not be for several months.

Romney has not run Bain for a decade, and does not own any of it; he owns
shares in several of its funds.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
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"CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS"

"After conducting a survey of 340 HD2 stations to determine their
programming needs, the folks at Clear Channel have dumped a number of
their HD 'Format Lab' stations due to a lack of demand."

http://talentfilter.blogspot.com/200...n-some-hd.html

Yupper - there she goes!

Actually, no stations ceased HD broadcasting; a few have had different
formats put on the HD2 channels based on listener response.

There are no "Format Lab" stations.

The "Format Lab" is a development center in San Antonio where different
concepts are streamed and the ones with the most hits and longest
listening
spans get put on actual radio stations. The ones that don't attract
interest
are nuked and other ideas tried; it's an ongoing process. The idea is to
create new content for HD that has not been found on radio up till now.



So they're just hoping people will find these stations by osmosis, or
what?

People find them the same way they find any web stream "station."

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message
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Eddie - You sound like one of those detached radio general managers I
talked to a few days back. Full of BS but no clue about reality. You
need help and I think I can help you with your fixation on the success
of HD radio but you need to accept that you have a problem. That is
the first step.

Now are you ready to be helped?


Yeah, and the help is coming from Samsung and the other fabs that are
releasing 9 mm form factor low power consumption chips for delivery
sometime in Q2 of this year. This will permit portable HD devices,
integration of HD into MP3 players and phones, etc.

And... I am not a general manager, although I have been one in the past;
I work with listeners to find their needs and feelings regarding radio.
Get a job in a shop or on a construction site. You won't learn anything
hanging-out in office buildings.

Actually, we hang out at community centers, swap meets, street corners,
malls, etc.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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And using technology designed primarly for cell phone reception, the
FM in my Nokia allows some pretty impressive reception, using nothing
more than the earphone cord as an antenna, as far out of town as
Marengo, well outside of Chicago ADI.

There is no Chicago ADI.
Radio

Arbitron...maintains...areas for radio stations; each is called an area of
dominant influence (ADI). There are 286 ADI's in the United States.
-wikipedia

Nope. Wikidud data.

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18 years.
They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more, particularly
since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are based on MSA, or
metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get, if you pay for it,
DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever. And buyers never ask for
it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at all.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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And using technology designed primarly for cell phone reception, the
FM in my Nokia allows some pretty impressive reception, using nothing
more than the earphone cord as an antenna, as far out of town as
Marengo, well outside of Chicago ADI.
There is no Chicago ADI.
Radio

Arbitron...maintains...areas for radio stations; each is called an area of
dominant influence (ADI). There are 286 ADI's in the United States.
-wikipedia

Nope. Wikidud data.

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18 years.
They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more, particularly
since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are based on MSA, or
metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get, if you pay for it,
DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever. And buyers never ask for
it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at all.




I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to
reception of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and
sophistcated techology. Precisely describing and experience with an
add-on feature to a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of
the term was entirely appropriate to my context.

Had we been speaking of ratings, you'd be correct. But we weren't.

What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and
you chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an argument.

Once again, proving my previous points for me.

For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening,
you really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to
you.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18
years. They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more,
particularly since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are
based on MSA, or metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get,
if you pay for it, DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever.
And buyers never ask for it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at
all.


I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to reception
of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and sophisticated
technology. Precisely describing and experience with an add-on feature to
a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of the term was
entirely appropriate to my context.


Sorry, but ADI's ceased to be used decades ago, and since population is
dynamic, and no ADI has been redefined, the old definitions are obsolete.
Using an obsolete term for a rapidly changing population base is absurd. Do
you measure weight in stones and volume in cubits?

What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and you
chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an argument.

I find it indescribably ludicrous that we would agree on anything.

Once again, proving my previous points for me.

For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening, you
really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to you.

Not by you, at least.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18
years. They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more,
particularly since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are
based on MSA, or metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get,
if you pay for it, DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever.
And buyers never ask for it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at
all.

I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to reception
of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and sophisticated
technology. Precisely describing and experience with an add-on feature to
a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of the term was
entirely appropriate to my context.


Sorry, but ADI's ceased to be used decades ago, and since population is
dynamic, and no ADI has been redefined, the old definitions are obsolete.
Using an obsolete term for a rapidly changing population base is absurd. Do
you measure weight in stones and volume in cubits?


Interesting you should mention that. My Super 7 documentation
includes driver/passenger weight in stone.

So, yes. The point again, being that in an attempt to agree with you,
I was describing a wide area. Not a ratings incremental section.


What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and you
chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an argument.

I find it indescribably ludicrous that we would agree on anything.


And yet, we have, and we did. And on more than one occasion.

Your bitterness does not become you. Certainly not someone in your
position. Certainly not someone who deigns to participate in USENet
newsgroups.

Which, I guess, also raises questions.


Once again, proving my previous points for me.

For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening, you
really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to you.

Not by you, at least.

Or anyone for that matter. Unfortunate. It is the essential
quality of Leadership that it listens BEFORE dismissal.

Even bulletproof warriors like Generals Puller and Patton
understood that listening is a far more important quality than speaking.

For someone in your position, that would seem a no-brainer.

Well....I guess experience has taught us in this case it is.

Have a nice day, David. Your vitriol does not become you. But it
does serve as an object lesson to the general tenor of Radio to it's
biggest fans.

And you wonder why we are less impressed with broadcasting as we
once were.

I'd say your bosses have a refund coming.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

On Feb 8, 5:55*am, David wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

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Eddie - You sound like one of those detached radio general managers I
talked to a few days back. *Full of BS but no clue about reality. *You
need help and I think I can help you with your fixation on the success
of HD radio but you need to accept that you have a problem. *That is
the first step.
Now are you ready to be helped?
Yeah, and the help is coming from Samsung and the other fabs that are
releasing 9 mm form factor low power consumption chips for delivery
sometime
in Q2 of this year. This will permit portable HD devices, integration of
HD
into MP3 players and phones, etc.

And... I am not a general manager, although I have been one in the past;
I
work with listeners to find their needs and feelings regarding radio.
Eddie - You're still in denial. *When it raises the prices up another
$100.00 for an MP3 player consumers will wisely pass that option up.
No demand....no HD. *It really is that simple.

- - Actually, the idea is to add more features to a
- - player, phone or other device at the same price.

d'Eduardo,

A Key New/Expanding High Technology Marketing Concept :
Always Selling-Up at No Extra Cost :
* For Businesses the Continued Process of Up-Grading
your Technology to Stay Competitive and In-the-Game.
* For Individual Consumers : Having All the Latest Bells
and Whistles -aka- Staying Ahead of the Want-to-Bees.

- What is the current drain of your new doodad?
-*That is the important spec.

David - That Is Very True ~ RHF

A Key Metric for Many is : Power Usage = Operating Time.

When they can make a Moto RAZR size "DooDad" that is
Truly an All-in-One Device and will run/play for a full 24 Hours
{All-Day} on a single charge : Then they will have an All-Day
Every-Day portable device that many/most Consumers will
think/know they : Got-To-Have-It { I Want/Need It Now ! }

Old and New Marketing Metrics : Area of Dominant Influence (ADI)-and- Designated Market Area (DMA)
 

On Feb 8, 6:10*am, David wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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* And using technology designed primarly for cell phone reception, the FM
in my Nokia allows some pretty impressive reception, using nothing more
than the earphone cord as an antenna, as far out of town as Marengo, well
outside of Chicago ADI.

There is no Chicago ADI.

Radio

Arbitron...maintains...areas for radio stations; each is called an area
of dominant influence (ADI). There are 286 ADI's in the United States.
-wikipedia

d'Eduardo the AMA "American Marketing Association" still
lists both Terms in their "Dictionary of Marketing Terms"
may be we need to rewite all the text books to suit you.

Area of Dominant Influence (ADI)
http://www.answers.com/topic/area-of...di?cat=biz-fin
In the measurement of television audience data, geographic area
composed of all the counties influenced by originating stations in a
particular television market. For example, the New York ADI is
composed of all the counties in New York and New Jersey where the New
York City television stations are viewed. Each county in the United
States is allocated exclusively to one ADI.
* See also : Designated Market Area (DMA) .
NOTE - Per the AMA - Area of Dominant Influence (ADI)
http://www.marketingpower.com/mg-dictionary-view167.php
The geographic area surrounding a city in which the broadcasting
stations based in that city account for a greater share of the
listening or viewing households than do broadcasting stations based in
other nearby cities.
* See also : Designated Market Area (DMA) .

Designated Market Area (DMA)
http://www.answers.com/topic/designa...ma?cat=biz-fin
Geographic area defined by nielsen media research company as a group
of counties that make up a particular television market. These
counties comprise the major viewing audience for the television
stations located in their particular metropolitan area. For the most
part, the metropolitan areas correspond to the standard metropolitan
statistical areas (see metro area) defined by the Federal Government
Office of Management and Budget. The areas do not overlap, and every
county in the United States belongs to only one DMA. dmas are used in
the evaluation of audience data as well as in the planning and buying
of media.
* See also : Area of Dominant Influence (ADI)
{ Oops we have gone full-circle }
http://en.mimi.hu/marketingweb/area_...influence.html
NOTE - Per the AMA - Designated Market Area (DMA)
http://www.marketingpower.com/mg-dic... arket%20area
- The geographic area surrounding a city in which the broadcasting
stations based in that city account for a greater share of the
listening or viewing households than do broadcasting stations based in
other nearby cities. It also is the specific geographic area to which
a county in the United States is exclusively assigned on the basis of
the television viewing habits of the people residing in the county.
* See also: Area of Dominant Influence (ADI)
{ Oops we have gone full-circle here too }

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

On Feb 8, 7:02*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...





David Eduardo wrote:

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18
years. They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more,
particularly since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are
based on MSA, or metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get,
if you pay for it, DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever.
And buyers never ask for it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at
all.

* I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to reception
of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and sophisticated
technology. Precisely describing and experience with an add-on feature to
a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of the term was
entirely appropriate to my context.

Sorry, but ADI's ceased to be used decades ago, and since population is
dynamic, and no ADI has been redefined, the old definitions are obsolete.
Using an obsolete term for a rapidly changing population base is absurd. Do
you measure weight in stones and volume in cubits?

* What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and you
chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an argument.

- I find it indescribably ludicrous that we would agree on anything.

d'Eduardo - While some might 'question' your "Ethnicity".

No one would question the fact that you have a Hard-Head !

at times . . . :o) ~ RHF



* Once again, proving my previous points for me.

* For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening, you
really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to you.

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