IBOC : A Dynamic Change in the American Listening Audience :
The New-Generation of Audio Consumers versus Older Radio Listeners
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...bd6b2f279ee44c

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RHF wrote:

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Honestly Telamon,

If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".

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You certainly are the most destructive Troll the news group has seen to
date.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:
In article
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RHF wrote:

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Honestly Telamon,

If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".

Snip

You certainly are the most destructive Troll the news group has seen to
date.



Oh..the Humanity!

In reality, RHF merely wants to be helpful. It's the fact that he has
too much time on his hands is what makes it somewhat irritating.

Now, having said that, he's quite pleasant in comparison to a few others
in these here parts.

A slight irritation is nothing compared to massive abuse.



mike

In article Ijsuj.31698$w57.8501@edtnps90, m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:

Snip

Honestly Telamon,

If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".

Snip

You certainly are the most destructive Troll the news group has seen to
date.



Oh..the Humanity!

In reality, RHF merely wants to be helpful. It's the fact that he has
too much time on his hands is what makes it somewhat irritating.

Now, having said that, he's quite pleasant in comparison to a few others
in these here parts.

A slight irritation is nothing compared to massive abuse.

I think you possess a high enough level of intelligence to understand
the situation if you try hard enough. It is not what you described above.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:47:52 GMT, m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article
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RHF wrote:

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Honestly Telamon,

If am am a Newsgroup "Troll" [Pong] : Then everyone of
your YoYo [Pings] makes you simply a newsgroup "Trill".

Snip

You certainly are the most destructive Troll the news group has seen to
date.



Oh..the Humanity!

In reality, RHF merely wants to be helpful. It's the fact that he has
too much time on his hands is what makes it somewhat irritating.

Okay, I'll give you the first point but disagree on the second one.
To me, his writing style is too darned hard to sift through and he
overly pads his links sections with links to his Yahoo group - which
has been dismal in terms of info everytime I've visited it. My new
offering to those who are new is one link:
http://users.tellurian.com/slapshot/speedx.html
This site has a wealth of info, via links that are listed according to
topic.

Now, having said that, he's quite pleasant in comparison to a few others
in these here parts.

Being pleasant and being helpful are two different things.


A slight irritation is nothing compared to massive abuse.

What's worse, one quick slice of the knife or a thousand small gashes?
Still working on the answer to that one myself, though I think the
analogy has relevence.

Question for you: With DXAce gone and Tracy whose last name I forget
not regulars here anymore with whom shall you cross swords?

On Feb 18, 5:22*pm, RHF wrote:
IBOC : The Present Day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the Makinghttp://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/c5e1cab41d458e2e

NOTE TO ALL - From Now On When I Post or Reply to a Post
concerning the IBOC Radio Broadcast {Scheme} developed by
the iBiquity Digital Corporation and what is called "HD" Radio :
I will endeavor to place : "IBOC" at the Start of the Subject Line.
=So If= You do not want to Read Posts and Replies about IBOC
"HD" Radio by Me you can easily Filter then out, or simply use
common sense and Ignore them.

FWIW - Moist of the Longer Posts and Replies can
be found at the "HD Radio" Newsgroup* on Google.
*http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
HD RADIO GROUP =http://tinyurl.com/27kwyt

On Feb 18, 6:27 am, Steve wrote:
Point-of-Fact : Consumers Are Buying "HD" Radios !
- How Is This Bad News For "HD" Radio ?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...dabdf90232868d

- S N I P -

- I understand this, but you must understand that the current
- problems facing broadcasters, which are in no way addressed
- by HD radio, are also deeply entrenched.

Steve - That is True.

- An HD bandaid isn't going to solve the industry's problems.

Steve - That is Equally True.

- And the public's acceptance of HD radio will be a function
- of its acceptance of other forms of radio, which have sound
- business models and superior programming.

I do not know of any New Media Business Models that
actually produce the Income Streams that present day
AM & FM Radio do - Enlighten Me Please !

I didn't think we were talking about today. I thought we were talking
about the future, when HD radio will be pitted against alternatives
that are actually desired by the listening public.



- The idea of a "second audio stream" is absolutely quaint
- at this stage. Surely no one is resting their hopes on this.

Takes and Existing Franchise (Radio Station) and creates
a new Income Stream with greatly reduced Capital Cost :
Potentially Expands the Income and Inceases Profits.

Other media offer thousands of audio streams.


- No, but the fact that it doesn't address problems that
- are genuinely pressing for the industry suggests that
- it will either fail or few people will notice one way or the
- other.

Actually -imho- It is hard for IBOC "HD" Radio not to succeed
as part of the declining Media which is AM & FM Radio.

If "succeed" simply means destroying analog AM and despoiling a big
chunk of spectrum, sure. However, if it means surviving and
flourishing as a business, it has no chance and does not even appear
to have been intended for success.


"HD" Radio may simply keep the Patient Alive Longer
-and- At-the-Same-Time allow the present AM & FM Radio
Broadcasts {Media Corporations} to Expand into 'New'
Media themselves.

My guess is that HD radio will be a form of euthanasia. It will
quicken the overall decline.


The present day Media Corporations that Focus Solely
on Radio Broadcasting may be Dinosaurs in the making.
* They now have to begin [ASAP] to View Themselves
as Pan-Media {All Forms of Media} Corporations; and not
simply as Radio Broadcasters {Radio Station Owners}.
* They have the Financial Where-with-All and Expertise
to Transistion and Transformer themselves into what they
need to be : To Be in Business for the next 50~75 Years.

Examples of Dinosaur Business Thinking :
* Railroads did not think of themselves as a Transportation
Business and naturally expand into the Airline Industry.
* Kodak though of itself as a Photo Company and naturally
not expand into the Imaging {Zerox} Industry.
* Silicon Valley was born because AT&T and IBM thought
that their business was their business and they both lost
business and market share as a result of that thinking.
*.
*.

I would add HD radio to the list.

On Feb 18, 6:42*pm, RHF wrote:


- Giving the numbers an honest look means looking at more
- than the numbers themselves. *It means looking at the
- development of Wimax and the fate (good or bad) of satellite
- radio. It means looking at the fact that HD doesn't address
- any of the real (i.e., programming) problems that explain the
- current sad state of much commercial broadcast radio.

I simply presented a Set-of-Numbers {a possibility} that
-if- they occured could show a slow progressive time-line
to the Public Acceptance of IBOC "HD" Radio as a
Transitional Evolution from Analog Broadcastion to Digital
Broadcasting in the same sort of disorderly process that
marked the change of from AM {Only} Radios to AM/FM
Radios and the follow-on change from AM/FM Radios to
AM/FM-Stereo Radios and the Oops of AM-Stereo Radio.
[ Things Happen -and- Not Necessarily for Good Reasons. ]


Well, you can extend the series still further and eventually you'll
have more HD radios being sold each year than can fit within the
confines of the earth and its atmosphere; but I just don't think it's
gonna happen.

-ps- History Often Repeats Itself and this Time Radio
Broadcasters at the Corporate Media Level and the FCC
at the Federal Government Level are Helping IBOC "HD"
Radio along like they never did for : FM Radio; FM-Stereo
Radio; and they seem to have learned the Lesson of the
Failed AM-Stereo Radio.

- If broadcasters had vision, we wouldn't even need to be
- talking about HD.

What they may lack in "The Vision Thing" (1) they make up for in
the Economic Interest (2) and Public Image Making Thing (3)
along with Capital Resources (4) and their Political Muscle (5).
[ Four-out-of-Five Ain't Bad = $U¢¢E$$]


If success here means a quick, short term profit for the parties whose
necks are most on the line, then sure. If it means anything more than
that, no way. And I guess this is frequently what results when vision
is lacking.

What's going to be interesting is to see where the "vision" is with
other, alternative media. Long after people have ceased thinking about
or even remembering HD radio, what will pique their interest and
capture their imaginations? Darn, where did I put that crystal ball?

wrote:

What's worse, one quick slice of the knife or a thousand small gashes?
Still working on the answer to that one myself, though I think the
analogy has relevence.

Question for you: With DXAce gone and Tracy whose last name I forget
not regulars here anymore with whom shall you cross swords?


Wherever there is injustice, abuse and hatred and wrongs that need
righting, I will be there....




....darn...I'm not going to carry on with that garbage. I'm already
feeling nauseous...




mike

IBOC : Part 2 - The Present Day Media Corporations
that Focus Solely on Radio Broadcasting may be
Dinosaurs in the Making - But Only Time Will Tell
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...bf7078e60a9220

IBOC : Part 2 - Wishing That IBOC Will Fail :
Ain't Going to Make IBOC Fail
http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...bf7078e60a9220