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IBOCcrock,

You Don't Get It ! - The Automakers are using "HD-Radio"
as a Premium Option on the High-End "Status" Cars and
Trunks. Because they believe that "HD-Radio" confirs
"Status" and will Help-to-Sell New Cars and Trucks.


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You are the one that does not "get it". Most people don't even know what
HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people
that are serious about music get satellite radio.

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On Mar 25, 6:52 pm, Telamon
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Most people don't even know what HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people that are serious about music get satellite radio.


A few years ago most people didn't even know what satellite radio is.
JUST LIKE HD RADIO, satellite radio started as a PREMIUM in the LUXURY
cars. Then, after SEVERAL YEARS, became an option on most cars. I am
surprised that so many people are so clueless as to how new products
start and develop into the mainstream. Just like navigation systems.
They were first offered as an option on the Luxury cars about 9 or 10
years ago, and STILL this option is NOT offered on all models of
cars. IT TAKES TIME for the mainstream to become informed. Not to
mention that MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-
earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.
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On Mar 26, 12:17*pm, wrote:
On Mar 25, 6:52 pm, Telamon

wrote:
Most people don't even know what HD radio is and if they do they don't generally want it. Most people that are serious about music get satellite radio.


A few years ago most people didn't even know what satellite radio is.
JUST LIKE HD RADIO, satellite radio started as a PREMIUM in the LUXURY
cars. *Then, after SEVERAL YEARS, became an option on most cars. *I am
surprised that so many people are so clueless as to how new products
start and develop into the mainstream. *Just like navigation systems.
They were first offered as an option on the Luxury cars about 9 or 10
years ago, and STILL this option is NOT offered on all models of
cars. *IT TAKES TIME for the mainstream to become informed. *Not to
mention that MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-
earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.



GA - It's 1958* and FM (Mono) Radio is a Premium Option
in New Cars. ~ RHF

* Then by 1978 everyone had FM-Stereo Radio in their Cars,
Homes amd Offices.

Change Simply Happens at Its Own Pace and In It's Own Time.
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On Mar 26, 1:16*pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
wrote:

MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-

earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.


* *That's what they said about cable. *And later satellite TV.

* *It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.

* *HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.

* *Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable..

* *Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.

* *HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.

* *Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it
content, it will not garner much interest with the buying public.

* *If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.


DPM,

Hence the Clear Channel request to the FCC to Extend
the Broadcast Decency Rules to DBS-Radio.

Create an Equality in the Allowable "Content" for both
Terrestrial AM/FM and Direct Satellite Radio Broadcasters.

Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out with Soap
-by- Matthew Lasar - Published : March 25, 2008

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nnel-to-fcc-wa...

Taking the "X" out of XM Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) Radio
Clear Channel wants the FCC to apply the Broadcast Decency
Rules to DBS-Radio.

Now Clear Channel wants even more strings attached
to the possible . . .

-source- Ars Technica {Art of Technology}
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On Mar 26, 4:04 pm, RHF wrote:
On Mar 26, 1:16 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:





wrote:


MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SERIOUS about spending their hard-


earned money WISELY would NEVER pay for a satellite subscription.


That's what they said about cable. And later satellite TV.


It's all about content, Gary. What you want, you'll pay for. Cable TV
has taught us that.


HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's
never made a case for content.


Cable subscribers signed up for content not available over the air.
Satellite TV subscribers signed up for content not available through Cable.


Satellite radio subscribers have signed up for content not available
on terrestrial radio.


HD could offer the same alternatives, but has not. So, HD has been of
interest to gadgeteers and geeks, broadcasters and those with a vested
interest in the technology. But the public has been unwilling to drop
$200+ on a radio that only provides what is already available free.


Radio listening is about content. Until HD is promoted for it
content, it will not garner much interest with the buying public.


If the radio is not playing what the listener wants to hear....it
doesn't matter what it sounds like.


DPM,

Hence the Clear Channel request to the FCC to Extend
the Broadcast Decency Rules to DBS-Radio.

Create an Equality in the Allowable "Content" for both
Terrestrial AM/FM and Direct Satellite Radio Broadcasters.

Clear Channel to FCC : Wash XM-Sirius' Mouth-Out with Soap
-by- Matthew Lasar - Published : March 25, 2008

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nnel-to-fcc-wa...

Taking the "X" out of XM Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) Radio
Clear Channel wants the FCC to apply the Broadcast Decency
Rules to DBS-Radio.

Now Clear Channel wants even more strings attached
to the possible . . .

-source- Ars Technica {Art of Technology}
CopyRight (c) 1998-2008 - Ars Technica, LLC
All Rights Reserved.
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IBOC & HD-Radio = Follow-the-Money = Bu$ine$$ & Politi¢$
.
.
the truth is out there - riding on a radio wave ~ RHF
.
- - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - -
.
Google Search Results for : HD-Radiohttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.
Google News Results for : HD-Radiohttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


"Questions About High Definition HD Radio"

Q: Why do I get drop-outs or silences on the HD2 Services?

A: This is a sign of marginal signal strength at your radio. It is
important to remember that the HD Radio multicast channels (HD2, HD3,
etc), unlike the HD1 channel, do not have an analog signal for the
radio to 'fall-back to' when digital reception is lost. So a listener
with marginal reception that is losing the digital signal will
experience periods of silence until the signal is regained.

http://www.wpr.org/hd/hd_faq.cfm

"Is HD Radio Toast?"

"There are serious issues of coverage. Early adopters who bought HD
radios report serious drop-outs, poor coverage, and interference. The
engineers of Ibiquity may argue otherwise and defend the system, but
the industry has a serious PR problem with the very people we need to
get the word out on HD... In other words, everything you can find on
the regular FM dial... The word has already gotten out about HD Radio.
People who have already bought an HD Radio are telling others of their
experience (mostly bad) and no amount of marketing will reverse this."

http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=487772

Most automakers won't even touch HD, because it simply doesn't work -
there are no analog backups for the HD channels, it jams, and causes
interference. Wait until consumers figure out that their "defective"
HD radios don't work.
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.


Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.


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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.


Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.




Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas,
and McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....

You present examples. But you don't show where a case has been made
for content. Thank you for making my point for me.

HD is largely ignored. First because its promise of higher audio
fidelity hasn't materialized, but secondly because there's been no case
made for alternative content.

Let me give you a classic and dramatic example. WLS is unlistenable
at my location in Lake County, well within (what used to be known as)
the WLS Chicago ADI. Low signal, high noise, IBOC interference from out
of market. Unlistenable. I'm not the only one who's noticed.

WLS IS, however available on WZZN's HD-2.

Right there is a ready market for HD.

Has this been ever promoted? Ummmm....no. I know it's there because
the WLS PD told me in a casual conversation at lunch last year.
Otherwise, like everyone else in Chicago, I'd never have known.

No case has been made for alternative content for HD.

If it's there, Brother David, it might be a good idea for someone to
start talking about it.

As I said, HD has been ignored for two reasons. One the promise of
superior audio fidelity, the cornerstone of EVERY HD promo I've heard to
date, hasn't materialized. And second, because a case hasn't been made
for content.

I've said since the beginning, here, that if HD uptake is going to be
increased, it has to be through content.

But content is the one thing absent from HD promotion.


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Then, I'm guessing that HD radio sales in Austin, Houston, Dallas, and
McAllen have spiked in response to Tejano HD programming.

No? Hmmmmmm....


Yes, it has. In the Texas markets we have done station displays in stores
promoting the channels, and estimates are around 20,000 receivers sold in
Houston.

LA is brand new, so we have no data.


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On Mar 26, 7:30 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in messagenews
HD has failed to deliver on its promise of better audio. And it's never
made a case for content.


Here are some content examples.

Texas. Austin, Houston, Dallas, McAllen., E lPaso. Tejano HD programming on
one Univision station per market, giving these markets their only Tejano
service. Tejano is a music style of third to fourth generation Hispanics in
Texas, and has considerable following, but not enough for a main channel
service.

LA. Amor Celestial. On KLVE HD2, only contemporary Christian all music
format available in LA metro, with signal most usable in the Inland Empire
as well. Has its own studio, not just a computer, with PD, jocks, artist
interviews, etc.


"DEAD AIR: Radio's great leap forward stalling in the Valley"

"Retailers say no one is buying HD radios in South Texas despite
scattered attempts by broadcasters to promote the digital signal
technology..."

http://www.themonitor.com/news/radio...gital_new.html

"HD Radio Has Yet To Take Off"

"But the technology hasn't taken off as expected. NBC 5 could not find
one person who owns a hi-def radio and neither could KISS FM's program
director. I don't know anybody that has one yet, Davis said."

http://www.nbc5i.com/technology/14878368/detail.html

"High-def radio is here, but is anyone listening?"

"But 19 Utah stations are broadcasting 31 high-definition radio
channels with six more coming soon... It seems the stations are
investing in technology the public isn't quite ready to embrace....
Some have heard it referred to but never had cause to get one. Unless
you are a gadget person, few of these radios have sold."

http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_7852904

"HD's here. Who's listening?"

"But consumers haven't exactly been stampeding to electronics stores
for the new HD Radio sets that are required to tune in the digital
signals."

http://www.twincities.com/business/c...=1#recent_comm

"Don't touch that dial: Digital radio lags behind"

"Digital radio -- now synonymous with the HD Radio brand name --
apparently has yet to catch on with listeners in this area..."

http://tinyurl.com/2gdmca

Yea, Eduardo - HD radios are selling like hot-cakes! LOL!


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