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"Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , RHF wrote: On May 17, 8:23 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: = S N I P = - Nearly 100% of AM HD stations have commercials. - And since the OP seemed to be referring primarily to AM HD... BAD, Nearly Yes -but- Technically Not 100% since there are the National Public Radio (NPR) Station and the so-called Public Radio Stations -aka- Non-Commercial Radio Stations as a 'group' and they are as a group part of the Early Adapters of IBOC and FM "HD" Radio with the speciffic intent to be HD-2 Second Audio Channel Broardcasters to better serve 'their' Listeners. http://www.kpbs.org/radio/myrland_digital_radio * NPR Radio Station List http://www.npr.org/stations/pdf/nprstations.pdf Point-of-Fact - KOAL-AM 550 kHz in Portland, Oregon is a "Commercial Free" National Public Radio Station. Here are a few more "Commercial Free" National Public Radio Stations (NPR) on the AM Radio Band From the NPR Radio Station List http://www.npr.org/stations/pdf/nprstations.pdf * WILL-AM 580 kHz from the UOI in Urbana, IL * WNYC-AM 820 kHz New York Public Radio * WNED-AM 970 kHz in Buffalo NY * WGVU-AM 850 kHz in Muskegon, MI * WOUB-AM 1340 kHz in Athens, OH * WXXI-AM 1370 kHz in Rochester, NY * WSUI-AM 910 kHz in Iowa City, IA * KOPT-AM 1600 kHz in Eugene, OR Note - The State of Alaska has 8 NPR AM Radio Stations. Remember the Primary Intent of IBOC and "HD" Radio is it use and application in the FM Radio Band; and Public Radio Stations are a major broadcaster on the FM Radio Band. -but- Even on a Non-Commercial Public Radio Station you will still hear about there 'corporate underwriters'. . . the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF . - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel . Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results : HD-Radio - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio . Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results : HD-Radio - http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved. . Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - . Well news group retard I listen to NPR and I hear commercials all the time. You know the this program is brought to you by the $$$$ corporation. Those are called underwriter announcements you dope. The very first word used is CopyRight silly. I never hear the word copyright on NPR dude... But I do hear underwriter announcements I posted about this "CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved." I was referring to: "I listen to NPR and I hear commercials all the time." Well I do. I hear it all the time on my local NPR stations. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Radio Ron" wrote in message . .. "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-88E47B.18191217052008@newsclstr03. new s.p rod igy .ne t.. . In article , Johnny Borborigmi wrote: On 2008-05-17 18:00:30 -0400, RobertStruble said: Sorry, I know that IBOC is trashing the broadcast bands, especially on AM, but you guys are really learned, so I was hoping to get some opinions about HD Radio. Sorry, that my greed gets in the way of common sense, and all of radio's listening audience, but Vicki is very high-maintenance. I hope that you all were not offended by my comment that "half the AMs could disappear, and no one would notice". I don't know much about HD radio but if it has far less commercials I am ALL FOR IT. I have XM sat. radio and LOVE IT. I am ****ING SICK OF COMMERCIALS. You are not going to like HD then. Sigh...more idiocy from Tele Most HD music channels have not commercials you idiot! Nearly 100% of AM HD stations have commercials. And since the OP seemed to be referring primarily to AM HD... That's correct on all counts Brenda. Sorry to expose your idiocy again Telahmun MOST of the HD channels are on FM...therefore most of the HD channels don't have commercials. You have a small reading comprehension problem? OK we can work with that. Read the above thread again. MOST of the HD channels are on FM...therefore most of the HD channels don't have commercials. OK Ron, the thread is about AM. No, the thread is about commercials. I don't know how you can miss it. At least you have a sense of humor. I have Teliemom to keep me chuckling....with his nonsense. Why the stuff you write is funnier. You must be from the funny farm. Nope, Ventura CA. not far from the beach. Maybe spend some more time on the beach under the sun...and less time on the computer...? I had some time on the beach this morning. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On May 18, 4:05*pm, "tom k in L.A." wrote:
- - I have 2 hd radios...one is a Sangean receiver hooked - into my stereo and the other is the Sony tabletop hd radio. -*The sangean is great-- paired with the ccrane fm reflect - antenna i get excellent reception in a midtown manhattan - steel and glass midrise apartment building. -*CD 101.9 hd2 is great, 104.3 hd1 and 2 are great - (2 is the deep cuts), to name just a couple. - - AM HD is really cool -- 710 am sounds like FM. - 880 wcbs is impossible to receive - (even regular signal in my apt). - 1010 WINS is going HD AM later this month. - - The Sony had a noisy power supply so I sent it back - - replacement/ repair is on the way. - -*The Sangean receiver has been flawless. *I really like - the extra content on HD radio. *Almost sounds like the - jocks are programming the extra HD feeds for now, - which is a blast. - Tom-K in L.A., You are a Shinning Example of a Satisfied Free Over-the-Air Audio Consumer : Who makes-up the Two-Sigma segment of the US Population that the 'concept' of IBOC and HD Radio was sold-on to the FCC. Two-Sigma -aka- The Vast Majority {~95%} - With the full understanding that some Radio Listeners will Not Be Served. Basically the same 'criteria' that present day Analog Radio Listeners have had to deal with : You can't hear everything and you can't always hear what you want : So Hear What You Can - When You Can : Can It All . . . It's Only Radio ! Whether 'we' here as AM/MW Radio DXers like it or not : In the long run HD-Radio will serve the American Audio Consumer : Who is a regular Listener of Free Over-the-Air AM & FM Radio. HD-Radio will meet the 'needs' of the "Vast Majority" of the American Audio Consumers : Who Choose HD-Radio. You also point out one of HD-Radio major problems : quality e-q-u-i-p-m-e-n-t . The 'other' on going problem is the HD-Radio Signal Delivery. The 1% Solution Ain't No Solution At All : with a Bump to 4% the First in a Series of Digital Power 'adjustments' over several Years { ~ Decade} toward the Full Transition to All Digital AM & FM HD-Radio with the end of all Analog AM & FM Radio Broadcasting. The FCC 'claims' that they will let the Market Place "Decide" * The Fact-Is that the Market Place is the Radio Broadcasters and Their Advertisers : Not the Radio {Consuming} Listeners. * Presently Analog Radio is Paying the Bills and HD {Digital} Radio -is- a "Cost". * In the Future there will come a "Time" when HD {Digital} Radio is Paying the Bills and Analog Radio -is- a "Cost". * When That "Time" Comes : The Radio Broadcasters and Their Advertisers will 'petition' the FCC to drop the imposed Cost of continued Analog Radio Broadcasting and the FCC will readily agree : Since by doing so the FCC would itself eliminate an Administrative Function and achieve a Cost Saving for the Government. |
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, RHF wrote: On May 18, 4:05*pm, "tom k in L.A." wrote: - - I have 2 hd radios...one is a Sangean receiver hooked - into my stereo and the other is the Sony tabletop hd radio. -*The sangean is great-- paired with the ccrane fm reflect - antenna i get excellent reception in a midtown manhattan - steel and glass midrise apartment building. -*CD 101.9 hd2 is great, 104.3 hd1 and 2 are great - (2 is the deep cuts), to name just a couple. - - AM HD is really cool -- 710 am sounds like FM. - 880 wcbs is impossible to receive - (even regular signal in my apt). - 1010 WINS is going HD AM later this month. - - The Sony had a noisy power supply so I sent it back - - replacement/ repair is on the way. - -*The Sangean receiver has been flawless. *I really like - the extra content on HD radio. *Almost sounds like the - jocks are programming the extra HD feeds for now, - which is a blast. - Tom-K in L.A., You are a Shinning Example of a Satisfied Free Over-the-Air Audio Consumer : SNIP And you are a shining example of a news group retard. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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![]() "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Radio Ron" wrote in message . .. "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-88E47B.18191217052008@newsclstr03. new s.p rod igy .ne t.. . In article , Johnny Borborigmi wrote: On 2008-05-17 18:00:30 -0400, RobertStruble said: Sorry, I know that IBOC is trashing the broadcast bands, especially on AM, but you guys are really learned, so I was hoping to get some opinions about HD Radio. Sorry, that my greed gets in the way of common sense, and all of radio's listening audience, but Vicki is very high-maintenance. I hope that you all were not offended by my comment that "half the AMs could disappear, and no one would notice". I don't know much about HD radio but if it has far less commercials I am ALL FOR IT. I have XM sat. radio and LOVE IT. I am ****ING SICK OF COMMERCIALS. You are not going to like HD then. Sigh...more idiocy from Tele Most HD music channels have not commercials you idiot! Nearly 100% of AM HD stations have commercials. And since the OP seemed to be referring primarily to AM HD... That's correct on all counts Brenda. Sorry to expose your idiocy again Telahmun MOST of the HD channels are on FM...therefore most of the HD channels don't have commercials. You have a small reading comprehension problem? OK we can work with that. Read the above thread again. MOST of the HD channels are on FM...therefore most of the HD channels don't have commercials. OK Ron, the thread is about AM. No, the thread is about commercials. I don't know how you can miss it. At least you have a sense of humor. I have Teliemom to keep me chuckling....with his nonsense. Why the stuff you write is funnier. You must be from the funny farm. Nope, Ventura CA. not far from the beach. Maybe spend some more time on the beach under the sun...and less time on the computer...? I had some time on the beach this morning. Sounds good! Reality is always a good thing.... |
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![]() "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-C5DFCE.20030117052008@newsclstr03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-84D6BA.19484117052008@newsclst r03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-88E47B.18191217052008@newsc lst r03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , Johnny Borborigmi wrote: On 2008-05-17 18:00:30 -0400, RobertStruble said: Sorry, I know that IBOC is trashing the broadcast bands, especially on AM, but you guys are really learned, so I was hoping to get some opinions about HD Radio. Sorry, that my greed gets in the way of common sense, and all of radio's listening audience, but Vicki is very high-maintenance. I hope that you all were not offended by my comment that "half the AMs could disappear, and no one would notice". I don't know much about HD radio but if it has far less commercials I am ALL FOR IT. I have XM sat. radio and LOVE IT. I am ****ING SICK OF COMMERCIALS. You are not going to like HD then. Sigh...more idiocy from Tele Most HD music channels have no commercials you idiot! Same BS from you. More idiocy from the village idiot...who deosn't know what he's talking about. Yeah I do but you don't. You've posted more incorrect information here as fact than anyone I know. You're the newsgroup idiot. You haven't posted anything on topic yet moron. The topic is telamon, the shortwave newsgroup idiot. I think I've posted a lot on topic. Hey you finally got my handle right congratulations. And your designation too! The shortwave newsgroup idiot! Nope, I'm saving that one news group moron. Well you failed but at least you finally tried. Better than nothing. No, I think everyone sees you for the nincompoop you are... I don't think so but you have demonstrated a huge knowledge deficit on IBOC and you still want to argue about it so your posts are pointless. Well, not evberyone is a nutball DX-er in Ventura....so you can stop with the one-note tune. Well see you also got that wrong. I'm not a DX'er. That seems to be your one-note complaint....over and over again.... I'm a program listener not a DX'er. I would asume you can get the programs on these stations without too much difficulty...IBOC and all. http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/loc...ura&state=CA&s id= &x=0&y=0 Yes that is a good site. WOw...a response without any name calling? Maybe there's hope for this newsgroup after all! You made an intelligent on topic post. What else would you expect? Well, I haven't been expecting much from you. I was hoping that not everyone has to either agree with Telemon....or be subjected to name calling. |
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![]() "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , RHF wrote: On May 18, 4:05 pm, "tom k in L.A." wrote: - - I have 2 hd radios...one is a Sangean receiver hooked - into my stereo and the other is the Sony tabletop hd radio. - The sangean is great-- paired with the ccrane fm reflect - antenna i get excellent reception in a midtown manhattan - steel and glass midrise apartment building. - CD 101.9 hd2 is great, 104.3 hd1 and 2 are great - (2 is the deep cuts), to name just a couple. - - AM HD is really cool -- 710 am sounds like FM. - 880 wcbs is impossible to receive - (even regular signal in my apt). - 1010 WINS is going HD AM later this month. - - The Sony had a noisy power supply so I sent it back - - replacement/ repair is on the way. - - The Sangean receiver has been flawless. I really like - the extra content on HD radio. Almost sounds like the - jocks are programming the extra HD feeds for now, - which is a blast. - Tom-K in L.A., You are a Shinning Example of a Satisfied Free Over-the-Air Audio Consumer : SNIP And you are a shining example of a news group retard. And this is an example of an on-topic post? |
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![]() "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , RHF wrote: On May 17, 8:23 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: = S N I P = - Nearly 100% of AM HD stations have commercials. - And since the OP seemed to be referring primarily to AM HD... BAD, Nearly Yes -but- Technically Not 100% since there are the National Public Radio (NPR) Station and the so-called Public Radio Stations -aka- Non-Commercial Radio Stations as a 'group' and they are as a group part of the Early Adapters of IBOC and FM "HD" Radio with the speciffic intent to be HD-2 Second Audio Channel Broardcasters to better serve 'their' Listeners. http://www.kpbs.org/radio/myrland_digital_radio * NPR Radio Station List http://www.npr.org/stations/pdf/nprstations.pdf Point-of-Fact - KOAL-AM 550 kHz in Portland, Oregon is a "Commercial Free" National Public Radio Station. Here are a few more "Commercial Free" National Public Radio Stations (NPR) on the AM Radio Band From the NPR Radio Station List http://www.npr.org/stations/pdf/nprstations.pdf * WILL-AM 580 kHz from the UOI in Urbana, IL * WNYC-AM 820 kHz New York Public Radio * WNED-AM 970 kHz in Buffalo NY * WGVU-AM 850 kHz in Muskegon, MI * WOUB-AM 1340 kHz in Athens, OH * WXXI-AM 1370 kHz in Rochester, NY * WSUI-AM 910 kHz in Iowa City, IA * KOPT-AM 1600 kHz in Eugene, OR Note - The State of Alaska has 8 NPR AM Radio Stations. Remember the Primary Intent of IBOC and "HD" Radio is it use and application in the FM Radio Band; and Public Radio Stations are a major broadcaster on the FM Radio Band. -but- Even on a Non-Commercial Public Radio Station you will still hear about there 'corporate underwriters'. . . the truth is out-there - riding on a radio-wave ~ RHF . - - - the digital divide : i draw the line @ iboc 'hd' radio - - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel . Find-Out-for-Yourself - Google Search Results : HD-Radio - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=HD-Radio . Read-the-News-for-Yourself Google News Results : HD-Radio - http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=HD-Radio . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved. . Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - . Well news group retard I listen to NPR and I hear commercials all the time. You know the this program is brought to you by the $$$$ corporation. Those are called underwriter announcements you dope. The very first word used is CopyRight silly. I never hear the word copyright on NPR dude... But I do hear underwriter announcements I posted about this "CopyRight © RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved." I was referring to: "I listen to NPR and I hear commercials all the time." Well I do. I hear it all the time on my local NPR stations. Non-Comm's are forbidden from having commercials...that's why they have underwriter announcements. |
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"Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message dig y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-F4DC8F.20132417052008@newsclstr03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-C5DFCE.20030117052008@newsclst r03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-84D6BA.19484117052008@newsc lst r03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-88E47B.18191217052008@ne wsc lst r03 .ne ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , Johnny Borborigmi wrote: On 2008-05-17 18:00:30 -0400, RobertStruble said: Sorry, I know that IBOC is trashing the broadcast bands, especially on AM, but you guys are really learned, so I was hoping to get some opinions about HD Radio. Sorry, that my greed gets in the way of common sense, and all of radio's listening audience, but Vicki is very high-maintenance. I hope that you all were not offended by my comment that "half the AMs could disappear, and no one would notice". I don't know much about HD radio but if it has far less commercials I am ALL FOR IT. I have XM sat. radio and LOVE IT. I am ****ING SICK OF COMMERCIALS. You are not going to like HD then. Sigh...more idiocy from Tele Most HD music channels have no commercials you idiot! Same BS from you. More idiocy from the village idiot...who deosn't know what he's talking about. Yeah I do but you don't. You've posted more incorrect information here as fact than anyone I know. You're the newsgroup idiot. You haven't posted anything on topic yet moron. The topic is telamon, the shortwave newsgroup idiot. I think I've posted a lot on topic. Hey you finally got my handle right congratulations. And your designation too! The shortwave newsgroup idiot! Nope, I'm saving that one news group moron. Well you failed but at least you finally tried. Better than nothing. No, I think everyone sees you for the nincompoop you are... I don't think so but you have demonstrated a huge knowledge deficit on IBOC and you still want to argue about it so your posts are pointless. Well, not evberyone is a nutball DX-er in Ventura....so you can stop with the one-note tune. Well see you also got that wrong. I'm not a DX'er. That seems to be your one-note complaint....over and over again.... I'm a program listener not a DX'er. I would asume you can get the programs on these stations without too much difficulty...IBOC and all. http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/loc...entura&state=C A&s id= &x=0&y=0 Yes that is a good site. WOw...a response without any name calling? Maybe there's hope for this newsgroup after all! You made an intelligent on topic post. What else would you expect? Well, I haven't been expecting much from you. I was hoping that not everyone has to either agree with Telemon....or be subjected to name calling. The smart people would agree with me. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message dig y.c om. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Radio Ron" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ws. pro dig y.n et. .. In article , "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Radio Ron" wrote in message . .. "Telamon" wrote in message news:telamon_spamshield-88E47B.18191217052008@newsclstr 03. new s.p rod igy .ne t.. . In article , Johnny Borborigmi wrote: On 2008-05-17 18:00:30 -0400, RobertStruble said: Sorry, I know that IBOC is trashing the broadcast bands, especially on AM, but you guys are really learned, so I was hoping to get some opinions about HD Radio. Sorry, that my greed gets in the way of common sense, and all of radio's listening audience, but Vicki is very high-maintenance. I hope that you all were not offended by my comment that "half the AMs could disappear, and no one would notice". I don't know much about HD radio but if it has far less commercials I am ALL FOR IT. I have XM sat. radio and LOVE IT. I am ****ING SICK OF COMMERCIALS. You are not going to like HD then. Sigh...more idiocy from Tele Most HD music channels have not commercials you idiot! Nearly 100% of AM HD stations have commercials. And since the OP seemed to be referring primarily to AM HD... That's correct on all counts Brenda. Sorry to expose your idiocy again Telahmun MOST of the HD channels are on FM...therefore most of the HD channels don't have commercials. You have a small reading comprehension problem? OK we can work with that. Read the above thread again. MOST of the HD channels are on FM...therefore most of the HD channels don't have commercials. OK Ron, the thread is about AM. No, the thread is about commercials. I don't know how you can miss it. At least you have a sense of humor. I have Teliemom to keep me chuckling....with his nonsense. Why the stuff you write is funnier. You must be from the funny farm. Nope, Ventura CA. not far from the beach. Maybe spend some more time on the beach under the sun...and less time on the computer...? I had some time on the beach this morning. Sounds good! Reality is always a good thing.... It's all I usually deal with present company excluded. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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