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(OT) : The Failure of the US Congress to Protect the USA andUS Citizens from Terrorist Attacks by Islam-O-Facists.
RHF wrote:
Any Combatant Found in the Area of Combat : Who is an Un-Lawful Military Combatant will be Interrogated, Summarily Judged and Executed within 72 Hours. -eod- http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020123.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawfu...tary_combatant Good thing the English didn't invent the term 'Un-Lawful Military Combatant' during the US war of independence. There were LOTS of un-uniformed people shooting at them from behind trees, bushes and houses. mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
(OT) : Stop the Abortion of Liberalcide !
Brody wrote:
calling someone gullible is not demonizing for gawd's sake. Well, we differ on that. 'Gullible' has a connotation of an unsophisticated and less than smart person. A gullible person is easily tricked or suckered. They are pawns in the hands of their 'users'. The term is sometimes used to described someone who, because of their own experiences, thinks differently than we do. Gullible, in the sense you used it, means 'wrong'. Thinking differently doesn't automatically mean thinking incorrectly. mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
(OT) SPECIAL: for Ace and other ditto heads
dave wrote:
Brody wrote: beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably release on bond until his court date Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or otherwise the result of something other than capture on the battlefield source ? . If they are POWs, this ruling doesn't apply. They are to be held under the Geneva Conventions, which do not allow torture. There is no Declaration of War in effect right now, unlike the Japs and the Gerrys. |
(OT) SPECIAL: for Ace and other ditto heads
m II wrote:
Brody wrote: Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it. Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably release on bond until his court date Those people were not picked up on the street or dragged out of their beds at three in morning or turned in to the occupiers as a means of revenge or as a political move by the competition. An example of how things have been twisted around: After WWII, Japanese soldiers who had water boarded US prisoners were branded as having committed war crimes. Japs and Nazi were convicted of a lot worse than waterboarding. In Texas, 1983, a Sheriff and three deputies got 10 years for torturing with the technique. and deserved it.. whats your point ? Today, there must be a kinder, gentler version of this torture, as it's accepted US practice. Hell, they even changed the definition of 'torture' to cover their illegal as hell backsides. pfft... you lefties claim playing loud music is torture. Please, do some research. Find out what monsters have taken over your country: Want to know what real torture is ?? Read up on the torture rooms found in Iraq, and the techniques and tools the terrorists (some held in Gitmo) used . US troops are subjected to waterboarding wbile training how to resist interrogation. Unfortunately there is no way to resist having ones head sawed off with a dull knife. http://www.searchmash.com/search/jap...oarding+prison mike |
(OT) : Stop the Abortion of Liberalcide !
m II wrote:
Brody wrote: calling someone gullible is not demonizing for gawd's sake. Well, we differ on that. 'Gullible' has a connotation of an unsophisticated and less than smart person. no... plenty of REALLY smart are gullible. A gullible person is easily tricked or suckered. They are pawns in the hands of their 'users'. which is why i used the word... it applies. The term is sometimes used to described someone who, because of their own experiences, thinks differently than we do. Gullible, in the sense you used it, means 'wrong'. Thinking differently doesn't automatically mean thinking incorrectly. Then why the 'studies' to 'prove' conservatives are not as smart as liberals mike Seems your are to lazy to read site linked to in the original post, or the hate messages the article generated |
(OT) : Classic Liberal Demonization of the Right Speak - Da BushCrime Family
On Jun 14, 7:01*am, dave wrote:
m II wrote: Telamon wrote: Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's replaced the Constitution. You don't seem to understand the Constitution applies to US citizens not foreign military combatants. Some human beings are more equal than others in the eyes of God? mike - I'm pretty sure all persons on American soil - have rights, not just citzens. Yes Illegal Alien Invaders -have- The Right to be Deported. -*The Bush Crime Family knew this, Classic Liberal Demonization of the Right Speak : da bush crime family, Da Bush Crime Family. DA BUSH CRIME FAMILY ! - and claim Gitmo is on foreign soil. -*The base is actually as American as John McCain's birthplace. Actually a Good Valid Point. |
(OT) : Oh Canada - Open Up Your Doors to Set the WrongfullyImprisoned Free - Give the GITMO Detainees a Home to Plan Their Next Jihad
On Jun 14, 5:16*am, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote: On Jun 13, 11:44 pm, Telamon wrote: In article 8yJ4k.1364$L03.1142@edtnps92, m II wrote: Telamon wrote: Yes torturous, mental in exchange for the physical. The supreme court has seen fit to torture us all in exchange for the lot that has befallen jailed foreign terrorists who are not US citizens. Military combatants who would kill you if they had the chance, would deny you your rights if they had the chance, and have no standing in our courts should get the rights we posses? I don't think so. Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it. Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? When did the US convert to Napoleanic law? Nowadays, the US assumes guilt and then denies the right of a trial. That is hell. Wake up. Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's replaced the Constitution. - You don't seem to understand the Constitution applies - to US citizens not foreign military combatants. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Telamon - Ditto That ! Point-of-Fact - These 'people' down in Gitmo are Un-Lawful Military Combatants* : Who are Clearly Outside the Geneva Convention 1949. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawfu...tary_combatant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention * They are in-fact Islam-O-Facist Terrorists. GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp The Failure of the US Congress to Protect the USA and US Citizens from Terrorist Attacks by Islam-O-Facists. Don't Blame the US Military and the DOD. Don't Blame the US Justice Department Don't Blame the US Supreme Court and the Courts Don't Blame the US President and Administration Clearly the Blame Belongs to the US Congress* both Democrats and Republicans alike; and the US House of representatives and the USSenate alike. * The US Congress Makes the Laws * The US Congress Failed to Make Good Laws to deal effectively with these Un-Lawful Military Combatants who are Islam-O-Facist Terrorists. * The US Congress has Failing to Act : This Situation is the Fault of the US Congress. as an american citizen and a voter - yes i say that ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Does that include those who had been wrongfully imprisoned? - - JB JB - Give us your Name and Address : We will send all the ones who 'claim' that they were 'wrongfully imprisoned" over to stay with you so that you can help them to get over their "wrongfully imprisonment". GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp Since the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan, * 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo, * Approximately 420 of which have been released without charge. * As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain. * More than a Fifth (1/5) are Cleared for Release but may have to wait Months or Years because U.S. Officials are finding it increasingly difficult to persuade Countries to accept them, * According to Officials and Defense Lawyers. * Of the Roughly 355 still Incarcerated, * U.S. Officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial * and Free the Rest. OH CANADA - OPEN UP YOUR DOORS TO SET THE WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED FREE: GIVE THE GITMO DETAINEES A HOME TO PLAN THEIR NEXT JIHAD . [ Jihad -aka- Islam-O-Facist Act of Terrorism. ] Note - The US Pentagon claimed that 36 former Guantanamo Inmates were "Confirmed or Suspected of having returned to Terrorism". oh the silence - no name - no address - just so much liberal rhetoric from canada~ RHF |
(OT) SPECIAL: for Ace and other ditto heads
Brody wrote:
dave wrote: Brody wrote: beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably release on bond until his court date Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or otherwise the result of something other than capture on the battlefield source ? The media and public fascination with who is detained at Guantanamo and why has been fueled in large measure by the refusal of the Government, on the grounds of national security, to provide much information about the individuals and the charges against them. The information available to date has been anecdotal and erratic, drawn largely from interviews with the few detainees who have been released or from statements or court filings by their attorneys in the pending habeas corpus proceedings that the Government has not declared “classified.” This Report is the first effort to provide a more detailed picture of who the Guantanamo detainees are, how they ended up there, and the purported bases for their enemy combatant designation. The data in this Report is based entirely upon the United States Government’s own documents.1 This Report provides a window into the Government’s success detaining only those that the President has called “the worst of the worst.” Among the data revealed by this Report: 1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining 2. detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a 3. large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30% considered “members of;” a large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are “associated with” a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified. 4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected enemies. * The authors are counsel for two detainees in Guantanamo. http://law.shu.edu/news/guantanamo_reports.htm http://law.shu.edu/aaafinal.pdf |
(OT) : Canada the New Jihad-land of the "Wrongfully Imprisoned"Islam-O-Facist from GITMO
On Jun 14, 5:12*am, John Barnard wrote:
Telamon wrote: In article 8yJ4k.1364$L03.1142@edtnps92, m II wrote: Telamon wrote: Yes torturous, mental in exchange for the physical. The supreme court has seen fit to torture us all in exchange for the lot that has befallen jailed foreign terrorists who are not US citizens. Military combatants who would kill you if they had the chance, would deny you your rights if they had the chance, and have no standing in our courts should get the rights we posses? I don't think so. Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it. Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? When did the US convert to Napoleanic law? Nowadays, the US assumes guilt and then denies the right of a trial. That is hell. Wake up. Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's replaced the Constitution. - - You don't seem to understand the Constitution - - applies to US citizens not foreign military combatants. - Moron! - - And what about those people who have been wrongfully imprisoned? - - You deserve to live in a police state! - - JB JB - You deserve to Live in a Canada Occupied by your 'wrongfully imprisoned' Islam-O-Facist friends. ~ RHF JB - Give us your Name and Address : We will send all the ones who 'claim' that they were 'wrongfully imprisoned" over to stay with you so that you can help them to get over their "wrongfully imprisonment". GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp Since the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan, * 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo, * Approximately 420 of which have been released without charge. * As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain. * More than a Fifth (1/5) are Cleared for Release but may have to wait Months or Years because U.S. Officials are finding it increasingly difficult to persuade Countries to accept them, * According to Officials and Defense Lawyers. * Of the Roughly 355 still Incarcerated, * U.S. Officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial * and Free the Rest. OH CANADA - OPEN UP YOUR DOORS TO SET THE WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED FREE: GIVE THE GITMO DETAINEES A HOME TO PLAN THEIR NEXT JIHAD . [ Jihad -aka- Islam-O-Facist Act of Terrorism. ] Note - The US Pentagon claimed that 36 former Guantanamo Inmates were "Confirmed or Suspected of having returned to Terrorism". oh the silence - no name - no address - just so much liberal rhetoric from canada~ RHF |
(OT) SPECIAL: for Ace and other ditto heads
On Jun 14, 1:02*am, Brody wrote:
m II wrote: Telamon wrote: Yes torturous, mental in exchange for the physical. The supreme court has seen fit to torture us all in exchange for the lot that has befallen jailed foreign terrorists who are not US citizens. Military combatants who would kill you if they had the chance, would deny you your rights if they had the chance, and have no standing in our courts should get the rights we posses? I don't think so. Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it. Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? - beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW - should have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, - and presumably release on bond until his court date BRODY - You Got It - War-by-Lawyer ~ RHF -ps- and the US Taxpayers Paying the Bill. When did the US convert to Napoleanic law? Nowadays, the US assumes guilt and then denies the right of a trial. That is hell. Wake up. Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's replaced the Constitution. mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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