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(OT) SPECIAL: for Ace and other ditto heads
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"Dave Holford" wrote: "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , "Dave Holford" wrote: All US military bases are US soil, just as are all US embassies. As such, the US Supreme Court and lower Federal courts have jurisdiction over anyone being detained on any US military base. There is no presiding US court judge at any US military base in a foreign country, but all JAG court decisions are appealable and addressable to US Federal courts, including the Supreme Court. I always wondered why the US airbases in the UK were called RAF Stations, not USAF Bases - now I know why. Thanks for the info. That's right. Foreign US military bases are not US soil. Usually they are some kind of lease agreement where they US has use of the land for some period of time but the country they are in is not giving up all rights to the land during the lease. US law does not recognize these agreements as "US soil" to my knowledge. SOFA agreements (like the one Bush is trying to force on the Iraqi government ATM), cover this. Anyone that the US holds, the US has jurisdiction over. If, on the other hand, someone under the SOFA is busted doing something outside the base (which IS sovereign US territory, just as an embassy is, regardless of any contractural agreement that cedes the land to the US during whatever period is negotiated), then they may or may not be under jurisdiction of the host country. Not that I want to prolong this discussion, which has nothing whatsoever to do with shortwave radio and obviously belongs elsewhere; but the only jurisdictional statements relating to individuals I can find in SOFA agreements is that the US has jurisdiction over offences by Americans against Americans, and offences by Americans in the performance of official duties. All other situations are subject to the jurisdiction of the host state. It appears to be the activity, not the location which determines who has jurisdiction. - bearing in mind that these are generalities since all SOFAs are unique. That sounds reasonable and yes the agreements between the USA and other countries are negotiated instruments. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
(OT) 2008 Election Politics - John 'Smiley" McCain is many things . . .
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dave wrote: RHF wrote: dang - sure sounds like a us citizen to me - amigo ~ RHF . Then Gitmo is also US soil. It is not. It belongs to Cuba and they will get the use of it back. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
(OT) 2008 Election Politics - John 'Smiley" McCain is many things. . .
Telamon wrote:
In article , dave wrote: RHF wrote: dang - sure sounds like a us citizen to me - amigo ~ RHF . Then Gitmo is also US soil. It is not. It belongs to Cuba and they will get the use of it back. So John McCain was born on Panamanian soil. |
(OT) 2008 Election Politics - John 'Smiley" McCain is many things. . .
On Jun 18, 5:31*am, none ""dave\"@(none)" wrote:
Telamon wrote: In article , *dave wrote: RHF wrote: - - - - dang - sure sounds like a us citizen to me - amigo ~ RHF - - - Then Gitmo is also US soil. - - It is not. It belongs to Cuba and they will get the use of it back. NONE -wrote- - So John McCain was born on Panamanian soil. John 'Smiley" McCain is many things . . . D'Oh ! - Born to a US Citizen Father and US Mititary Officer. Admiral John Sidney McCain Jr. - US Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain%2C_Jr. D'Oh ! - Born to a US Citizen Mother. Roberta Wright McCain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberta_McCain D'Oh ! - Born on a US Military Base. Coco Solo Naval Air Station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Solo D'Oh ! - Born in a US Treaty Panama Canal Zone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone D'Oh ! - Maybe the First {Technically} Hispanic US President. Republic of Panama {Panama} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama Panama Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal dang - still sure sounds like a us citizen to me - amigo ~ RHF |
(OT) 2008 Election Politics - John 'Smiley" McCain is manythings. . .
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:24:40 -0700, RHF wrote:
dang - still sure sounds like a us citizen to me - amigo ~ RHF . I suggest you figure out whether that qualifies as "natural born" vs "naturalized" (citizen "by birth" or citizen "by law".) |
(OT) 2008 Election Politics - John 'Smiley" McCain is many things. . .
On Jun 18, 2:53*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:24:40 -0700, RHF wrote: - - dang - still sure sounds like a us citizen to me - amigo ~ RHF - I suggest you figure out whether that qualifies as "natural born" - vs "naturalized" (citizen "by birth" or citizen "by law".) D'Oh ! - That would be both a 100% "Natural Born" and 100% "Citizen-by-Birth" - imho ~ RHF |
(OT) 2008 Election Politics - John 'Smiley" McCain is many things. . .
RHF wrote:
One and/or All simply Proves : That Your Are In Denial [.] . You claim to know something that has never been settled. |
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