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dave wrote:

Brody wrote:
dave wrote:
Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should
have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably
release on bond until his court date


Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or
otherwise the result of something other than capture on the
battlefield



source ?

The media and public fascination with who is detained at
Guantanamo and why has been
fueled in large measure by the refusal of the Government, on the
grounds of national security, to
provide much information about the individuals and the charges
against them. The information
available to date has been anecdotal and erratic, drawn largely from
interviews with the few
detainees who have been released or from statements or court filings
by their attorneys in the
pending habeas corpus proceedings that the Government has not
declared “classified.”
This Report is the first effort to provide a more detailed
picture of who the Guantanamo
detainees are, how they ended up there, and the purported bases for
their enemy combatant
designation. The data in this Report is based entirely upon the
United States Government’s own
documents.1 This Report provides a window into the Government’s
success detaining only those
that the President has called “the worst of the worst.”
Among the data revealed by this Report:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not
determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al
Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
2.
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all
and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
The Government has detained numerous persons based
on mere affiliations with a
3.
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of
Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such
organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;”
30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are
“associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the
prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United
States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance
and turned over to United States
custody.

This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern
Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large
bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.

* The authors are counsel for two detainees in Guantanamo.



Your source is the terrorists lawyers

here is my source

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/gitmo/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14844

You mean the detainees' lawyers.

no.. I mean the terrorists lawyers..

I'll believe them before I'll believe some DOD flack for the Bush
Crime Family.

Of course you would... and in WWII you and your liberal friends would
take the word of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's propagandists before
the word of the Allies.

You really need to get out more. That's a terrible analogy. Again I
remind you, there is no Declaration of War.

The USA is not in any great danger.

Rickets, as long as there are folks out there like you, we are always in great
danger.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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dxAce wrote:


The USA is not in any great danger.

Rickets, as long as there are folks out there like you, we are always in great
danger.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


So's your old man!

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dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:


The USA is not in any great danger.

Rickets, as long as there are folks out there like you, we are always
in great
danger.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


So's your old man!


That's really hurtful. They've never met.



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m II wrote:

dave wrote:

dxAce wrote:


The USA is not in any great danger.

Rickets, as long as there are folks out there like you, we are always
in great
danger.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


So's your old man!

That's really hurtful. They've never met.

Projecting again?

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Dudette, I am not a ditto head.
cuhulin

(OT) : Oh Canada - Open Up Your Doors to Set the WrongfullyImprisoned Free - Give the GITMO Detainees a Home to Plan Their Next Jihad
 

RHF wrote:
On Jun 14, 5:16 am, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:44 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article 8yJ4k.1364$L03.1142@edtnps92, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote:
Yes torturous, mental in exchange for the physical. The supreme court
has seen fit to torture us all in exchange for the lot that has befallen
jailed foreign terrorists who are not US citizens. Military combatants
who would kill you if they had the chance, would deny you your rights if
they had the chance, and have no standing in our courts should get the
rights we posses? I don't think so.
Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it.
Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? When did the US
convert to Napoleanic law? Nowadays, the US assumes guilt and then
denies the right of a trial. That is hell. Wake up.
Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's
replaced the Constitution.
- You don't seem to understand the Constitution applies
- to US citizens not foreign military combatants.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
Telamon - Ditto That !
Point-of-Fact - These 'people' down in Gitmo are
Un-Lawful Military Combatants* : Who are Clearly
Outside the Geneva Convention 1949.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawfu...tary_combatant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention
* They are in-fact Islam-O-Facist Terrorists.
GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp
The Failure of the US Congress to Protect the USA and
US Citizens from Terrorist Attacks by Islam-O-Facists.
Don't Blame the US Military and the DOD.
Don't Blame the US Justice Department
Don't Blame the US Supreme Court and the Courts
Don't Blame the US President and Administration
Clearly the Blame Belongs to the US Congress*
both Democrats and Republicans alike; and the
US House of representatives and the USSenate alike.
* The US Congress Makes the Laws
* The US Congress Failed to Make Good Laws to deal
effectively with these Un-Lawful Military Combatants
who are Islam-O-Facist Terrorists.
* The US Congress has Failing to Act : This Situation
is the Fault of the US Congress.
as an american citizen and a voter - yes i say that ~ RHF
.- Hide quoted text -

- Does that include those who had been wrongfully imprisoned?
-
- JB

JB - Give us your Name and Address : We will send all
the ones who 'claim' that they were 'wrongfully imprisoned"
over to stay with you so that you can help them to get
over their "wrongfully imprisonment".

GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp
Since the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan,
* 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo,
* Approximately 420 of which have been released without charge.
* As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain.
* More than a Fifth (1/5) are Cleared for Release but may have
to wait Months or Years because U.S. Officials are finding it
increasingly difficult to persuade Countries to accept them,
* According to Officials and Defense Lawyers.
* Of the Roughly 355 still Incarcerated,
* U.S. Officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial
* and Free the Rest.

OH CANADA - OPEN UP YOUR DOORS TO SET THE
WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED FREE: GIVE THE GITMO
DETAINEES A HOME TO PLAN THEIR NEXT JIHAD .
[ Jihad -aka- Islam-O-Facist Act of Terrorism. ]

Note - The US Pentagon claimed that 36 former Guantanamo
Inmates were "Confirmed or Suspected of having returned to
Terrorism".

oh the silence - no name - no address - just so much
liberal rhetoric from canada~ RHF
.

Nature abhors a vacuum and your last name is Hoover.

JB

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On Jun 14, 5:16*am, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:44 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article 8yJ4k.1364$L03.1142@edtnps92, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote:
Yes torturous, mental in exchange for the physical. The supreme court
has seen fit to torture us all in exchange for the lot that has befallen
jailed foreign terrorists who are not US citizens. Military combatants
who would kill you if they had the chance, would deny you your rights if
they had the chance, and have no standing in our courts should get the
rights we posses? I don't think so.
Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it.
Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? When did the US
convert to Napoleanic law? Nowadays, the US assumes guilt and then
denies the right of a trial. That is hell. Wake up.
Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's
replaced the Constitution.

- You don't seem to understand the Constitution applies
- to US citizens not foreign military combatants.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon - Ditto That !

Point-of-Fact - These 'people' down in Gitmo are
Un-Lawful Military Combatants* : Who are Clearly
Outside the Geneva Convention 1949.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawfu...tary_combatant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention
* They are in-fact Islam-O-Facist Terrorists.

Does that include those who had been wrongfully imprisoned?

JB





GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp

The Failure of the US Congress to Protect the USA and
US Citizens from Terrorist Attacks by Islam-O-Facists.

Don't Blame the US Military and the DOD.

Don't Blame the US Justice Department

Don't Blame the US Supreme Court and the Courts

Don't Blame the US President and Administration

Clearly the Blame Belongs to the US Congress*
both Democrats and Republicans alike; and the
US House of representatives and the USSenate alike.
* The US Congress Makes the Laws
* The US Congress Failed to Make Good Laws to deal
effectively with these Un-Lawful Military Combatants
who are Islam-O-Facist Terrorists.
* The US Congress has Failing to Act : This Situation
is the Fault of the US Congress.

as an american citizen and a voter - yes i say that ~ RHF
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

JB - It's a Package Deal ~ RHF
-aka- The Gift That Just Keeps On Killing

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On Jun 15, 9:45*am, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jun 14, 5:16 am, John Barnard wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:44 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article 8yJ4k.1364$L03.1142@edtnps92, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote:
Yes torturous, mental in exchange for the physical. The supreme court
has seen fit to torture us all in exchange for the lot that has befallen
jailed foreign terrorists who are not US citizens. Military combatants
who would kill you if they had the chance, would deny you your rights if
they had the chance, and have no standing in our courts should get the
rights we posses? I don't think so.
Who is denying rights? It's already happened. Washington did it.
Whatever became of innocent until proven guilty? When did the US
convert to Napoleanic law? Nowadays, the US assumes guilt and then
denies the right of a trial. That is hell. Wake up.
Look up Napoleanic Law. You might as well learn it, now that it's
replaced the Constitution.
- You don't seem to understand the Constitution applies
- to US citizens not foreign military combatants.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California
Telamon - Ditto That !
Point-of-Fact - These 'people' down in Gitmo are
Un-Lawful Military Combatants* : Who are Clearly
Outside the Geneva Convention 1949.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawfu...tary_combatant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention
* They are in-fact Islam-O-Facist Terrorists.
GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp
The Failure of the US Congress to Protect the USA and
US Citizens from Terrorist Attacks by Islam-O-Facists.
Don't Blame the US Military and the DOD.
Don't Blame the US Justice Department
Don't Blame the US Supreme Court and the Courts
Don't Blame the US President and Administration
Clearly the Blame Belongs to the US Congress*
both Democrats and Republicans alike; and the
US House of representatives and the USSenate alike.
* The US Congress Makes the Laws
* The US Congress Failed to Make Good Laws to deal
effectively with these Un-Lawful Military Combatants
who are Islam-O-Facist Terrorists.
* The US Congress has Failing to Act : This Situation
is the Fault of the US Congress.
as an american citizen and a voter - yes i say that ~ RHF
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Does that include those who had been wrongfully imprisoned?
-
- JB

JB - Give us your Name and Address : We will send all
the ones who 'claim' that they were 'wrongfully imprisoned"
over to stay with you so that you can help them to get
over their "wrongfully imprisonment".

GITMO - Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantan...detention_camp
Since the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan,
* 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo,
* Approximately 420 of which have been released without charge.
* As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain.
* More than a Fifth (1/5) are Cleared for Release but may have
to wait Months or Years because U.S. Officials are finding it
increasingly difficult to persuade Countries to accept them,
* According to Officials and Defense Lawyers.
* Of the Roughly 355 still Incarcerated,
* U.S. Officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial
* and Free the Rest.

OH CANADA - OPEN UP YOUR DOORS TO SET THE
WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED FREE: GIVE THE GITMO
DETAINEES A HOME TO PLAN THEIR NEXT JIHAD .
[ Jihad -aka- Islam-O-Facist Act of Terrorism. ]

Note - The US Pentagon claimed that 36 former Guantanamo
Inmates were "Confirmed or Suspected of having returned to
Terrorism".

oh the silence - no name - no address - just so much
liberal rhetoric from canada~ RHF
*.

- Nature abhors a vacuum and your last name is Hoover.
-
- JB

JB - Boy Howdy are you oso wrong

D'Oh ! with the Initials R. H. F.
Dah -The last name ain't Hoover.
HOOVER is my middle name ;-}

it sucks to be me ~ RHF

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dave wrote:
Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should
have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably
release on bond until his court date


Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or
otherwise the result of something other than capture on the
battlefield




source ?

The media and public fascination with who is detained at
Guantanamo and why has been
fueled in large measure by the refusal of the Government, on the
grounds of national security, to
provide much information about the individuals and the charges
against them. The information
available to date has been anecdotal and erratic, drawn largely
from interviews with the few
detainees who have been released or from statements or court
filings by their attorneys in the
pending habeas corpus proceedings that the Government has not
declared “classified.”
This Report is the first effort to provide a more detailed
picture of who the Guantanamo
detainees are, how they ended up there, and the purported bases for
their enemy combatant
designation. The data in this Report is based entirely upon the
United States Government’s own
documents.1 This Report provides a window into the Government’s
success detaining only those
that the President has called “the worst of the worst.”
Among the data revealed by this Report:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not
determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al
Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
2.
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all
and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
The Government has detained numerous persons based
on mere affiliations with a
3.
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of
Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such
organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;”
30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are
“associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the
prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United
States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance
and turned over to United States
custody.

This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern
Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large
bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.

* The authors are counsel for two detainees in Guantanamo.




Your source is the terrorists lawyers

here is my source

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/gitmo/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14844

You mean the detainees' lawyers.


no.. I mean the terrorists lawyers..

I'll believe them before I'll believe some DOD flack for the Bush
Crime Family.


Of course you would... and in WWII you and your liberal friends would
take the word of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's propagandists
before the word of the Allies.


You really need to get out more. That's a terrible analogy.

Why ? because you declare it so ??
During the period the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect, US "peace
groups" opposed war with Hitler. Of course that all changed when Hitler
invaded Soviet Russia.

Again I
remind you, there is no Declaration of War.

So ?? The Vietnam war and Korean war were not declared wars... whats
your point...


The USA is not in any great danger.

Thanks to President Bush's actions.

When the Soviets were within 15
minutes of wasting both coasts we didn't trample the Constitution this
bad. (My "grow a pair" analogy...)

The Constitution is not being trampled simply because you and your waco
socialist friends declare it to be so.

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Brody wrote:

The USA is not in any great danger.

Thanks to President Bush's actions.


Place banana in your ear.
Observe that there is no alligators around.
Conclude banana placed in ear keeps alligators away.



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