On Jun 14, 7:05*am, dave wrote:
Brody wrote:
beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should have had
a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably release on bond
until his court date

Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or otherwise
the result of something other than capture on the battlefield. If they
are POWs, this ruling doesn't apply. *They are to be held under the
Geneva Conventions, which do not allow torture.

- There is no Declaration of War in effect right now,

Dave,

Pointing out the US Congress' Failure to Act to
Protect the USA and American Citizens.

~ RHF

unlike the Japs and
the Gerrys.

Brody wrote:
dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should
have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably
release on bond until his court date


Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or
otherwise the result of something other than capture on the battlefield


source ?

The media and public fascination with who is detained at
Guantanamo and why has been
fueled in large measure by the refusal of the Government, on the
grounds of national security, to
provide much information about the individuals and the charges against
them. The information
available to date has been anecdotal and erratic, drawn largely from
interviews with the few
detainees who have been released or from statements or court filings
by their attorneys in the
pending habeas corpus proceedings that the Government has not declared
“classified.”
This Report is the first effort to provide a more detailed
picture of who the Guantanamo
detainees are, how they ended up there, and the purported bases for
their enemy combatant
designation. The data in this Report is based entirely upon the United
States Government’s own
documents.1 This Report provides a window into the Government’s
success detaining only those
that the President has called “the worst of the worst.”
Among the data revealed by this Report:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not
determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al
Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
2.
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and
18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
The Government has detained numerous persons based on
mere affiliations with a
3.
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of
Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such
organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30%
considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are
“associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the
prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United
States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance
and turned over to United States
custody.

This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern
Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large
bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.

* The authors are counsel for two detainees in Guantanamo.


Your source is the terrorists lawyers

here is my source

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/gitmo/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14844

You mean the detainees' lawyers. I'll believe them before I'll believe
some DOD flack for the Bush Crime Family.

dave wrote:
Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should
have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably
release on bond until his court date


Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or
otherwise the result of something other than capture on the
battlefield



source ?

The media and public fascination with who is detained at
Guantanamo and why has been
fueled in large measure by the refusal of the Government, on the
grounds of national security, to
provide much information about the individuals and the charges
against them. The information
available to date has been anecdotal and erratic, drawn largely from
interviews with the few
detainees who have been released or from statements or court filings
by their attorneys in the
pending habeas corpus proceedings that the Government has not
declared “classified.”
This Report is the first effort to provide a more detailed
picture of who the Guantanamo
detainees are, how they ended up there, and the purported bases for
their enemy combatant
designation. The data in this Report is based entirely upon the
United States Government’s own
documents.1 This Report provides a window into the Government’s
success detaining only those
that the President has called “the worst of the worst.”
Among the data revealed by this Report:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not
determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al
Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
2.
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and
18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
The Government has detained numerous persons based
on mere affiliations with a
3.
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of
Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such
organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;”
30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are
“associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the
prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United
States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance
and turned over to United States
custody.

This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern
Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large
bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.

* The authors are counsel for two detainees in Guantanamo.



Your source is the terrorists lawyers

here is my source

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/gitmo/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14844

You mean the detainees' lawyers.

no.. I mean the terrorists lawyers..

I'll believe them before I'll believe
some DOD flack for the Bush Crime Family.

Of course you would... and in WWII you and your liberal friends would
take the word of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's propagandists before
the word of the Allies.

Telamon wrote:

Some human beings are more equal than others in the eyes of God?

Of course not. Are you saying God follows or wrote the US Constitution?

It wouldn't have mattered anyway. The Patriot Act overrules God.




mike


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Brody wrote:

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld expressed frustration over this
effort during a June 21 interview on the "Tony Snow Show."

Is he the same guy that said prisoner suicide was actually 'Asymmetrical
warfare' against the US? No, wait..that was war criminal Harris, who,
coincidentally, was only following orders.


mike

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Telamon wrote:

The English at the time executed anyone that gave them a problem on the
spot. The English military were judge, jury, and executioner. They
killed anyone they felt like killing at the time. If they came across
someone's farm house they wanted to stay at and the people didn't move
out fast enough they were shot.


Very much like Iraq? Were there premeditated rapes of fourteen year olds
and the subsequent murder of her family?

History seems to repeat itself.

The US fought the English and now, the Iraqis are fighting you.


mike






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Brody wrote:

Seems your are to lazy to read site linked to in the original post, or
the hate messages the article generated

Why would I read a site that classifies a group of people as stupid?

The poster quoted:
=======================================
An April 2007 Pew Research Study survey found that viewers of the
conservative Fox News channel had the lowest knowledge of national and
international affairs."
=======================================

This says 'viewers'. That could be anybody. I'm sure both political
wings watch each other's propaganda.

I'd rather watch factual NEWS. Editorial comment belongs in the opinion
section.



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In article Mt15k.1435$sg6.1117@edtnps91, m II wrote:

Telamon wrote:

The English at the time executed anyone that gave them a problem on the
spot. The English military were judge, jury, and executioner. They
killed anyone they felt like killing at the time. If they came across
someone's farm house they wanted to stay at and the people didn't move
out fast enough they were shot.


Very much like Iraq? Were there premeditated rapes of fourteen year olds
and the subsequent murder of her family?

You were there to see this?

History seems to repeat itself.

Most days.

The US fought the English and now, the Iraqis are fighting you.

They are not fighting me or the US troops. There are some insurgents
trained and supplied in Iran trying to create mayhem in Iraq though.

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Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF wrote:

Stop the Abortion of Liberalcide !


I've been meaning to ask....what does the above line mean? I've looked
at it from all angles and still can't figure it out.





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Brody wrote:
dave wrote:
Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

dave wrote:

Brody wrote:

beyond bizzare.. by this logic, every Jap and German POW should
have had a US lawyer and his day in a US court, and presumably
release on bond until his court date


Most of the people at Guantanamo were turned-in for bounty or
otherwise the result of something other than capture on the
battlefield



source ?

The media and public fascination with who is detained at
Guantanamo and why has been
fueled in large measure by the refusal of the Government, on the
grounds of national security, to
provide much information about the individuals and the charges
against them. The information
available to date has been anecdotal and erratic, drawn largely from
interviews with the few
detainees who have been released or from statements or court filings
by their attorneys in the
pending habeas corpus proceedings that the Government has not
declared “classified.”
This Report is the first effort to provide a more detailed
picture of who the Guantanamo
detainees are, how they ended up there, and the purported bases for
their enemy combatant
designation. The data in this Report is based entirely upon the
United States Government’s own
documents.1 This Report provides a window into the Government’s
success detaining only those
that the President has called “the worst of the worst.”
Among the data revealed by this Report:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not
determined to have committed any
hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al
Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining
2.
detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all
and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
The Government has detained numerous persons based
on mere affiliations with a
3.
large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of
Homeland Security terrorist
watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such
organizations varies considerably.
Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;”
30% considered “members of;” a
large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are
“associated with” a group or groups the
Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the
prisoners their nexus to any terrorist
group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United
States forces. 86% of the
detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance
and turned over to United States
custody.

This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern
Alliance were handed over to the
United States at a time in which the United States offered large
bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.

* The authors are counsel for two detainees in Guantanamo.



Your source is the terrorists lawyers

here is my source

http://www.defenselink.mil/home/features/gitmo/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=14844

You mean the detainees' lawyers.

no.. I mean the terrorists lawyers..

I'll believe them before I'll believe some DOD flack for the Bush
Crime Family.

Of course you would... and in WWII you and your liberal friends would
take the word of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan's propagandists before
the word of the Allies.

You really need to get out more. That's a terrible analogy. Again I
remind you, there is no Declaration of War.

The USA is not in any great danger. When the Soviets were within 15
minutes of wasting both coasts we didn't trample the Constitution this
bad. (My "grow a pair" analogy...)