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dave June 18th 08 03:36 PM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 
This is how they operate. They create a "crisis" mentality, then use
your new-found vulnerability to push through a fascist program you
wouldn't otherwise tolerate.

Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling, even though there is
plenty of oil. And you are such a bunch of pussies you'll probably eat
it up. Free country my ass.

[email protected] June 18th 08 04:05 PM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there
is plenty...

U.S. imports 70% that we use.

How to Find Gold: Dig For It!

More Oil: Drill For It!


MnMikew June 18th 08 04:45 PM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 

"dave" wrote in message
...
This is how they operate. They create a "crisis" mentality, then use your
new-found vulnerability to push through a fascist program you wouldn't
otherwise tolerate.


Like global warming you mean?



RHF June 18th 08 05:19 PM

DaviD -proclaims- "Free Country My Ass"
 
On Jun 18, 7:36*am, dave wrote:
This is how they operate. *They create a "crisis" mentality, then use
your new-found vulnerability to push through a fascist program you
wouldn't otherwise tolerate.

Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling, even though there is
plenty of oil. *And you are such a bunch of pussies you'll probably eat
it up. *


- Free country my ass.

DaviD -proclaims- "Free Country My Ass"

-ps- Dave that would make a Great Tattoo;
and implies the perfect place to put it too.

Dave[_17_] June 18th 08 10:42 PM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:

Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...

U.S. imports 70% that we use.

How to Find Gold: Dig For It!

More Oil: Drill For It!


There is no shortage of crude oil.

Mr. Bush wants to buy up the leases and sit on them, to keep the price
high (the same reason he invaded Iraq, BTW).

Dave[_17_] June 18th 08 10:43 PM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:45:57 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
This is how they operate. They create a "crisis" mentality, then use
your new-found vulnerability to push through a fascist program you
wouldn't otherwise tolerate.


Like global warming you mean?


No. That's a socialist program.

RHF June 18th 08 11:15 PM

Dave -proclaims- There Is No Shortwage of Crude Oil
 
On Jun 18, 2:42*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...


U.S. imports 70% that we use.


- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!

- There is no shortage of crude oil.

Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.

First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.

Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.

ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.

facts are facts ~ RHF

RHF June 18th 08 11:22 PM

Dave -proclaims- There Is No Shortage of Crude Oil
 
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...


U.S. imports 70% that we use.


- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!

- There is no shortage of crude oil.

Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.

First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.

Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.

ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.

facts are facts ~ RHF

[email protected] June 19th 08 03:41 AM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in620626.shtml

dave June 19th 08 12:46 PM

Dave -proclaims- There Is No Shortwage of Crude Oil
 
RHF wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.

- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!

- There is no shortage of crude oil.

Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.

First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.

Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.

ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.

facts are facts ~ RHF
.

Refineries are running below 90% capacity. Demand for gasoline is dropping.

When you get scared you get screwed by the government. Every time.
Look at the (not even) Patriot Act.

RHF June 20th 08 12:39 AM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jun 19, 4:46*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.

- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!


- There is no shortage of crude oil.


Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.


First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.


Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.


ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.


facts are facts ~ RHF
*.


- Refineries are running below 90% capacity.
-*Demand for gasoline is dropping.

Dave,

1 - Five to Six New* Eco-Friendly Oil Refineries would put
Capacity at around 75% and provide a Strategic Production
Reserve in case of natural disaster, accident or terrorism.
+ New Jobs for Americans building the Oil Refineries
+ + New Jobs for Americans working in the Oil Refineries

2 - Five to Six New Eco-Friendly Oil Refineries would
allow the retirement of that many older Refineries that
are bad for the Environment.
+ New Jobs for Americans building the Oil Refineries

Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy.

plan and build for the future -or- have 'no' future ~ RHF

[email protected] June 20th 08 02:39 AM

Warning: You are abiout to be hustled by your president
 
On Jun 18, 10:36*am, dave wrote:
This is how they operate. *They create a "crisis" mentality, then use
your new-found vulnerability to push through a fascist program you
wouldn't otherwise tolerate.

Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling, even though there is
plenty of oil. *And you are such a bunch of pussies you'll probably eat
it up. *Free country my ass.


Hey Dude!
He already did this ****..
We Invaded Iraq..

R E M E M B E R ? ?


[email protected] June 20th 08 02:49 AM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jun 19, 7:39*pm, RHF wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:46*am, dave wrote:

RHF wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.
- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!


- There is no shortage of crude oil.




Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.


Oh really ???
Is it extractable?

How many barrels are extractable?

-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.


First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.


- because China and India are now getting cars..

-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.



- well dude, that oil would be sold to the highest Bidder

- namely China and India..


ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.


facts are facts ~ RHF


- But God Bless George Bush and his Truthiness..


Google " Smart Car"


*.



When you get scared you get screwed by the government. *Every time.
Look at the (not even) Patriot Act.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



RHF June 20th 08 02:56 AM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jun 19, 6:49*pm, wrote:
On Jun 19, 7:39*pm, RHF wrote:





On Jun 19, 4:46*am, dave wrote:


RHF wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.
- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!


- There is no shortage of crude oil.


Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.


Oh really ???
Is it extractable?

How many barrels are extractable?

-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.


First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.


- because China and India are now getting cars..

-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.


- well dude, that oil would be sold to the highest Bidder

- namely China and India..



ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.


facts are facts ~ RHF


- But God Bless George Bush and his Truthiness..

Google " Smart Car"


There are No Smart Cars -only- Smart Walkers




*.


When you get scared you get screwed by the government. *Every time.
Look at the (not even) Patriot Act.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



none June 20th 08 03:32 AM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
RHF wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:46 am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.
- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!
- There is no shortage of crude oil.
Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.
First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.
Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.
ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.
facts are facts ~ RHF
.

- Refineries are running below 90% capacity.
- Demand for gasoline is dropping.

Dave,

1 - Five to Six New* Eco-Friendly Oil Refineries would put
Capacity at around 75% and provide a Strategic Production
Reserve in case of natural disaster, accident or terrorism.
+ New Jobs for Americans building the Oil Refineries
+ + New Jobs for Americans working in the Oil Refineries

2 - Five to Six New Eco-Friendly Oil Refineries would
allow the retirement of that many older Refineries that
are bad for the Environment.
+ New Jobs for Americans building the Oil Refineries

Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy.

plan and build for the future -or- have 'no' future ~ RHF
.

How many cat crackers have been built?

Just as many as they need.

RHF July 2nd 08 06:48 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jun 19, 4:39*pm, RHF wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:46*am, dave wrote:



RHFwrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.
- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!


- There is no shortage of crude oil.


Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.


First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.


Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.


ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.


facts are facts ~RHF
*.


- Refineries are running below 90% capacity.
-*Demand for gasoline is dropping.


- Dave,
-
- 1 - Five to Six New* Eco-Friendly Oil Refineries would put
- Capacity at around 75% and provide a Strategic Production
- Reserve in case of natural disaster, accident or terrorism.
- + New Jobs for Americans building the Oil Refineries
- + + New Jobs for Americans working in the Oil Refineries
-
- 2 - Five to Six New Eco-Friendly Oil Refineries would
- allow the retirement of that many older Refineries that
- are bad for the Environment.
- + New Jobs for Americans building the Oil Refineries
-
- Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy.
-
- plan and build for the future -or- have 'no' future ~RHF
- *.

New US Oil Drilling Is Making Millionaires In North Dakota
-by- JAMES MacPHERSON [AP]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/...millionaires_1
North Dakota has nearly 4,000 Active Oil Wells Pumping.
Bakken Oil Shale Formation, a rich deposit that the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation
U.S. Geological Survey calls the Largest Continuous
Oil Accumulation it has ever assessed.

RHF July 2nd 08 10:44 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jul 2, 12:51*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:48:43 -0700, RHF wrote:
New US Oil Drilling Is Making Millionaires In North Dakota -by- JAMES
MacPHERSON [AP]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/...millionaires_1
North Dakota has nearly 4,000 Active Oil Wells Pumping. Bakken Oil Shale
Formation, a rich deposit that the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_FormationU.S. Geological Survey
calls the Largest Continuous Oil Accumulation it has ever assessed.
*.


- If petroleum is so essential to US national security
- then oil companies should be run like public utilities,
- where the profits are returned to the infrastructure or
- to the customers. *Nationalize the ****ers.

Take the Social Security Trust Fund {sic} and
Buy Them All Up : Then The American People
Not the US Government would Own Big Oil.

Dave[_17_] July 2nd 08 10:54 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:44:40 -0700, RHF wrote:


Take the Social Security Trust Fund {sic} and Buy Them All Up : Then The
American People Not the US Government would Own Big Oil.
.


The American People and the US Government are one and the same,
Einstein. Read the Constitution (or the Gettysburg Address) some time.

m II July 3rd 08 01:46 AM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
Dave wrote:

If petroleum is so essential to US national security then oil companies
should be run like public utilities, where the profits are returned to
the infrastructure or to the customers. Nationalize the ****ers.



Profits are more important than National Security. In fact, wars are
allowed and even encouraged to start in order to *Enhance* profits.





mike

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Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter
blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups.

http://improve-usenet.org/

RHF July 3rd 08 01:41 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jul 2, 2:54*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:44:40 -0700, RHF wrote:

- - Take the Social Security Trust Fund {sic}
- - and Buy Them All Up :
- - Then The American People Not the
- - US Government would Own Big Oil.

- The American People and the US Government
- are one and the same, Einstein.
- Read the Constitution (or the Gettysburg Address) some time.

Dave - D'Oh !

One is a Vest Financial Right :
The 'other' a Political Concept {Social Construct}.

-ps- there is a difference ~ RHF

RHF July 3rd 08 01:58 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Jul 2, 5:46*pm, m II wrote:
Dave wrote:
If petroleum is so essential to US national security then oil companies
should be run like public utilities, where the profits are returned to
the infrastructure or to the customers. *Nationalize the ****ers.


- Profits are more important than National Security.

Mike - Is this what passes for 'original' Canadian Thinking ?

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_l...t_of_happiness
Now That -is- 'original' American Thinking ~ RHF

- In fact, wars are allowed and even encouraged
- to start in order to *Enhance* profits.
- mike

Mike -so- Is this what you are proposing as the
Canadian Economic Model for the 21st Century ?

it boggles the mind ~ RHF

Dave[_18_] July 3rd 08 02:15 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
RHF wrote:

Mike - Is this what passes for 'original' Canadian Thinking ?

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_l...t_of_happiness
Now That -is- 'original' American Thinking ~ RHF


John Locke was an Englishman, you dumb ****.

Dave[_17_] July 3rd 08 09:16 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:46:36 -0700, RHF wrote:

On Jul 3, 6:15Â*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
Mike - Is this what passes for 'original' Canadian Thinking ?


"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Life,_liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_happiness
Now That -is- 'original' American Thinking ~ RHF


- John Locke was an Englishman, you dumb ****.

Dave - Tsimple things to consider :

Too Dumb - The phrase is based on the writings of John Locke, who
expressed a similar concept of "life, liberty, and estate (or
property)".

To Understand the F*ck Difference
"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
Written by Thomas Jefferson, the words in the Declaration were a
Departure from the Orthodoxy of Locke. { Inalienable Individual Human
Rights -over- Property Rights Granted by the Crown }

-ps- Until the United States Declaration of Independence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...f_Independence
Thomas Jefferson was and Englishman too.
.


Inherent rights is from Muslim common law, BTW.

RHF July 3rd 08 10:12 PM

(OT) : "Inherent Rights" of Muslims -versus- "Inalienable Rights" ofAll Americans
 
On Jul 3, 1:16*pm, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:46:36 -0700, RHF wrote:
On Jul 3, 6:15*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
Mike - Is this what passes for 'original' Canadian Thinking ?


"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/


Life,_liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_happiness





Now That -is- 'original' American Thinking ~ RHF


- John Locke was an Englishman, you dumb ****.


- - Dave - Two simple things to consider :
- -
- - Too Dumb - The phrase is based on the writings of John Locke,
- - who expressed a similar concept of "life, liberty, and estate (or
- - property)".
- -
- - To Understand the F*ck Difference
- - "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
- - Written by Thomas Jefferson, the words in the Declaration
- - were a Departure from the Orthodoxy of Locke.
- - { Inalienable Individual Human Rights -over-
- - Property Rights Granted by the Crown }
- -
- - -ps- Until the United States Declaration of Independence
- - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...f_Independence
- - Thomas Jefferson was and Englishman too.

- Inherent rights is from Muslim common law, BTW.

Dave - D'Oh ! - Muslim "Inherent Rights" for the Faithfull
Follows of Islam {All 'others' Being Right-Less Infidels}

DO NO EQUAL "Inalienable Human Rights for All"
Regardless of Status, Wealth or Religion.

dang that was easy ~ RHF

D Peter Maus July 21st 08 10:27 AM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
wrote:


Can't go on using oil for more than another 10 to 20 years due to the
global warming emergency proven by science, dumbass.



Nothing has been proven. There is considerable debate within the
scientific community about the validity of the claims made by the global
warming movement. To underscore the point, NOAA released figures this
past quarter that indicate global temperatures have dropped by .6 of a
degree in the last 12 months.

As for greenhouse gasses...well, let's look at that. Carbon dioxide
is only .04% of atmospheric content. Every living creature on the planet
emits CO2. Even plants, in the absence of sunlight. In the presence of
sunlight, they consume CO2 at a voracious rate.

Water, on the other hand, is the primary greehouse gas, with a known
impact on atmospheric temperature through cloud formation. And yet....no
one has even hinted at it's regulation.

A previous poster is correct....global warming is a socialist
movement. It's goals are precisely the same as the alarmists who set
their crosshairs on the oil industry when Rockefeller was building the
Standard Oil monopoly.




D Peter Maus July 21st 08 10:56 AM

Dave -proclaims- There Is No Shortwage of Crude Oil
 
wrote:
On Jun 18, 3:15 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jun 18, 2:42 pm, Dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...
U.S. imports 70% that we use.

- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!

- There is no shortage of crude oil.

Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.

First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.

Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.

ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.

facts are facts ~ RHF
.


Nonsense.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...risks0718.html

Solar thermal is already practical, as is nuclear and wind power. The
only problem is to overcome ignorant "drill happy" folks who want to
dump misery on future generations to selfishly avoid dealing with the
global warming emergency before it does massive damage to the economy
and the population of humans on earth.



Global temperatures were far higher in the 30's and 40's than they
are now. Highest global temperature on record was in 1934, according to
NOAA.

None of these catastrophes has taken place. Although the dust bowl of
the 30's and 40's does bear witness to the peak in temperatures in the
Plains.

We haven't seen dust bowl conditions since.

Global temperatures were so high in the 11th, 12th, and 13th
centuries that wine grapes, which are highly temperature sensitive,
were grown as far north as Scotland. In fact, the highly prized French
vineyards are comprised almost entirely of rootstock transplanted from
England and Scotland during this time.

When Leif Ericson landed in what is now Newfoundland in the early
11th century, he named it Vinland...in English that would be
Wineland...because of the expanse of wild grapes growing there. He found
the climate warm, with little frost through the winter, and grapes were
so plentiful and so widespread that one of his crewmates, a German named
Tyrker, wandered into the countryside and was found months later drunk
on his ass with wine he'd made from the local grapes.

All this, despite the fact that the last Hummer dealership has been
closed years before.

If you look at where wine is grown today, it's all moved south.
Gradually since the 14th century, virtually all wine grapes have been
transplanted to southernmore climes because the northern latitudes have
been growing too cold for grapes to grow there. Indicating that over the
centuries, the planet has cooled, not warmed.

It is you who needs to be informed.

Oil is not the problem. The problem is political.

"Nuclear" has been a dirty word since the movie 'The China Syndrome,'
a film often pointed to as a reference in debates where nuclear plants
were to be constructed. As a population, most of what is 'understood'
about nuclear energy production comes from that film.

Three Mile Island was the horror it was BECAUSE of the The China
Syndrome, when in fact, though a meltdown had occurred--some 8 feet of
reactor core was lost--the systems did precisely what they were supposed
to do, and shut the reactor down.

Odd, no one ever talks about THAT.

The problem is not the ignorant 'drill happy' folks.

The problem is the ignorant uneducated folks attempting to create a
panic based on short sight, and snapshot focus on a very narrow picture
of global events. And an overall suppression of understanding of energy
production by so-called professionals in education.




dxAce July 21st 08 12:55 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:


Can't go on using oil for more than another 10 to 20 years due to the
global warming emergency proven by science, dumbass.


Nothing has been proven. There is considerable debate within the
scientific community about the validity of the claims made by the global
warming movement. To underscore the point, NOAA released figures this
past quarter that indicate global temperatures have dropped by .6 of a
degree in the last 12 months.

As for greenhouse gasses...well, let's look at that. Carbon dioxide
is only .04% of atmospheric content. Every living creature on the planet
emits CO2. Even plants, in the absence of sunlight. In the presence of
sunlight, they consume CO2 at a voracious rate.

Water, on the other hand, is the primary greehouse gas, with a known
impact on atmospheric temperature through cloud formation. And yet....no
one has even hinted at it's regulation.

A previous poster is correct....global warming is a socialist
movement. It's goals are precisely the same as the alarmists who set
their crosshairs on the oil industry when Rockefeller was building the
Standard Oil monopoly.


Michael Savage had a fellow on in the past week who outlined what the socialists
have done over the years to instill fear in the people. If I recall, there may
me a link on his site to the info, though I've not looked at it.

The guest made a point about what the left will do when the 'global warming'
craze subsides and that will be to manufacture another crisis and on and on it
will go.



D Peter Maus July 21st 08 01:09 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:

Can't go on using oil for more than another 10 to 20 years due to the
global warming emergency proven by science, dumbass.

Nothing has been proven. There is considerable debate within the
scientific community about the validity of the claims made by the global
warming movement. To underscore the point, NOAA released figures this
past quarter that indicate global temperatures have dropped by .6 of a
degree in the last 12 months.

As for greenhouse gasses...well, let's look at that. Carbon dioxide
is only .04% of atmospheric content. Every living creature on the planet
emits CO2. Even plants, in the absence of sunlight. In the presence of
sunlight, they consume CO2 at a voracious rate.

Water, on the other hand, is the primary greehouse gas, with a known
impact on atmospheric temperature through cloud formation. And yet....no
one has even hinted at it's regulation.

A previous poster is correct....global warming is a socialist
movement. It's goals are precisely the same as the alarmists who set
their crosshairs on the oil industry when Rockefeller was building the
Standard Oil monopoly.


Michael Savage had a fellow on in the past week who outlined what the socialists
have done over the years to instill fear in the people. If I recall, there may
me a link on his site to the info, though I've not looked at it.

The guest made a point about what the left will do when the 'global warming'
craze subsides and that will be to manufacture another crisis and on and on it
will go.



It's what they've always done.


dxAce July 21st 08 01:17 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:

Can't go on using oil for more than another 10 to 20 years due to the
global warming emergency proven by science, dumbass.
Nothing has been proven. There is considerable debate within the
scientific community about the validity of the claims made by the global
warming movement. To underscore the point, NOAA released figures this
past quarter that indicate global temperatures have dropped by .6 of a
degree in the last 12 months.

As for greenhouse gasses...well, let's look at that. Carbon dioxide
is only .04% of atmospheric content. Every living creature on the planet
emits CO2. Even plants, in the absence of sunlight. In the presence of
sunlight, they consume CO2 at a voracious rate.

Water, on the other hand, is the primary greehouse gas, with a known
impact on atmospheric temperature through cloud formation. And yet....no
one has even hinted at it's regulation.

A previous poster is correct....global warming is a socialist
movement. It's goals are precisely the same as the alarmists who set
their crosshairs on the oil industry when Rockefeller was building the
Standard Oil monopoly.


Michael Savage had a fellow on in the past week who outlined what the socialists
have done over the years to instill fear in the people. If I recall, there may
me a link on his site to the info, though I've not looked at it.

The guest made a point about what the left will do when the 'global warming'
craze subsides and that will be to manufacture another crisis and on and on it
will go.



It's what they've always done.


Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.



m II July 21st 08 02:10 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
dxAce wrote:

It's what they've always done.


Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.


Well, Weapons of Mass Destruction has been already used. They even lied
to the UN about it. I'm sure they'll think of something. People will
believe ANYTHING.


mike


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dxAce July 21st 08 02:12 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 


m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

It's what they've always done.


Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.


Well, Weapons of Mass Destruction has been already used. They even lied
to the UN about it. I'm sure they'll think of something. People will
believe ANYTHING.


Actually, leftists, and dumbass Canucks will believe ANYTHING, lets be honest about
this.

Now stop wasting time, get that shine box stocked up and get busy, boy!



D Peter Maus July 21st 08 02:48 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
m II wrote:
dxAce wrote:

It's what they've always done.

Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.


Well, Weapons of Mass Destruction has been already used. They even lied
to the UN about it. I'm sure they'll think of something. People will
believe ANYTHING.


Interesting that no one's talking about that pile of Saddam's
'fictional' yellowcake that ended up in Canada.

dxAce July 21st 08 02:51 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

m II wrote:
dxAce wrote:

It's what they've always done.
Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.


Well, Weapons of Mass Destruction has been already used. They even lied
to the UN about it. I'm sure they'll think of something. People will
believe ANYTHING.


Interesting that no one's talking about that pile of Saddam's
'fictional' yellowcake that ended up in Canada.


Yeah, guess they'll 'fictionally' manufacture it into nuclear fuel.

But then again, much of CanaDuh appears to be fictional, if not a joke.



D Peter Maus July 21st 08 02:55 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:

Can't go on using oil for more than another 10 to 20 years due to the
global warming emergency proven by science, dumbass.
Nothing has been proven. There is considerable debate within the
scientific community about the validity of the claims made by the global
warming movement. To underscore the point, NOAA released figures this
past quarter that indicate global temperatures have dropped by .6 of a
degree in the last 12 months.

As for greenhouse gasses...well, let's look at that. Carbon dioxide
is only .04% of atmospheric content. Every living creature on the planet
emits CO2. Even plants, in the absence of sunlight. In the presence of
sunlight, they consume CO2 at a voracious rate.

Water, on the other hand, is the primary greehouse gas, with a known
impact on atmospheric temperature through cloud formation. And yet....no
one has even hinted at it's regulation.

A previous poster is correct....global warming is a socialist
movement. It's goals are precisely the same as the alarmists who set
their crosshairs on the oil industry when Rockefeller was building the
Standard Oil monopoly.
Michael Savage had a fellow on in the past week who outlined what the socialists
have done over the years to instill fear in the people. If I recall, there may
me a link on his site to the info, though I've not looked at it.

The guest made a point about what the left will do when the 'global warming'
craze subsides and that will be to manufacture another crisis and on and on it
will go.


It's what they've always done.


Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.





A FRIEND OF MINE SENT ME THIS E-MAIL.


Subject: Wild Pigs

There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some
exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab
the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his
back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young
man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in
his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native
country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and
install a communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange
question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The
professor
thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said
this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in
the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to
come everyday to eat the free corn. When t hey are used to coming every
day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to
coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn
again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that
and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of
the fence up with a gate in the last side.. The pigs, who are used to
the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, then you slam the
gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost
their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are
caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn.
They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the
woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees
happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism
and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as
supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies,
dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine,
drugs, et c, etc, etc. while we continue to lose our freedoms - just a
little at a time.

One should always remember: a politician can never provide a service for
y ou cheaper than you can do it yourself.

In this 'very important' election year, listen closely to what the
candidates are promising you - just maybe you will be able to tell who
is about to slam the gate.

dxAce July 21st 08 03:03 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

wrote:

Can't go on using oil for more than another 10 to 20 years due to the
global warming emergency proven by science, dumbass.
Nothing has been proven. There is considerable debate within the
scientific community about the validity of the claims made by the global
warming movement. To underscore the point, NOAA released figures this
past quarter that indicate global temperatures have dropped by .6 of a
degree in the last 12 months.

As for greenhouse gasses...well, let's look at that. Carbon dioxide
is only .04% of atmospheric content. Every living creature on the planet
emits CO2. Even plants, in the absence of sunlight. In the presence of
sunlight, they consume CO2 at a voracious rate.

Water, on the other hand, is the primary greehouse gas, with a known
impact on atmospheric temperature through cloud formation. And yet....no
one has even hinted at it's regulation.

A previous poster is correct....global warming is a socialist
movement. It's goals are precisely the same as the alarmists who set
their crosshairs on the oil industry when Rockefeller was building the
Standard Oil monopoly.
Michael Savage had a fellow on in the past week who outlined what the socialists
have done over the years to instill fear in the people. If I recall, there may
me a link on his site to the info, though I've not looked at it.

The guest made a point about what the left will do when the 'global warming'
craze subsides and that will be to manufacture another crisis and on and on it
will go.


It's what they've always done.


Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.



A FRIEND OF MINE SENT ME THIS E-MAIL.

Subject: Wild Pigs

There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some
exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab
the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his
back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young
man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in
his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native
country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and
install a communist government.

In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange
question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The
professor
thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said
this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in
the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to
come everyday to eat the free corn. When t hey are used to coming every
day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to
coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn
again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that
and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of
the fence up with a gate in the last side.. The pigs, who are used to
the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, then you slam the
gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost
their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are
caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn.
They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the
woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees
happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism
and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as
supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies,
dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine,
drugs, et c, etc, etc. while we continue to lose our freedoms - just a
little at a time.

One should always remember: a politician can never provide a service for
y ou cheaper than you can do it yourself.

In this 'very important' election year, listen closely to what the
candidates are promising you - just maybe you will be able to tell who
is about to slam the gate.


That is an awesome piece, and I'm going to forward it on.



dxAce July 21st 08 03:41 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 


D Peter Maus wrote:

m II wrote:
dxAce wrote:

It's what they've always done.
Pretty darn amazing. I can't wait to find out what the next 'crisis' will be.


Well, Weapons of Mass Destruction has been already used. They even lied
to the UN about it. I'm sure they'll think of something. People will
believe ANYTHING.


Interesting that no one's talking about that pile of Saddam's
'fictional' yellowcake that ended up in Canada.


Yeah via D{e@o G@r(}a , that place that should not be mentioned.



RHF July 21st 08 03:55 PM

(OT) : D'Oh ! The Global Warning Mantra - Say It Ten Times in a Row-and- You Are Full of Hot Air.
 
On Jul 20, 11:18*pm, wrote:
On Jun 18, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:





On Jun 18, 2:42*pm, Dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...


U.S. imports 70% that we use.


- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!


- There is no shortage of crude oil.


Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.


First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.


Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.


ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.


facts are facts ~ RHF
*.


- No, the fact is you don't care about the future.

I 'care' about the "Future" Every Day ~ RHF

- Carbon based fuel is NOT an option for long term energy use. *

I Am Carbon Based - What Are You "Silly-Com" ?
{Silly Communist}

- Perhaps you haven't heard about global warming?

D'Oh ! The Global Warning Mantra :
Say It Ten Times in a Row
-and- You Are Full of Hot Air.

-*You should be informed.

D'Oh ! . . . and you are ? - Not ! ~ RHF

RHF July 21st 08 03:59 PM

(OT) : Electric Co-Generation through Heat-Recovery -is- NotNonsense.
 
On Jul 20, 11:23*pm, wrote:
On Jun 18, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:





On Jun 18, 2:42*pm, Dave wrote: On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:33 -0700, wasatch wrote:
Mr. Bush is about to propose offshore oil drilling even though there is
plenty...


U.S. imports 70% that we use.


- - How to Find Gold : Dig For It!
- -
- - More Oil : Drill For It!


- There is no shortage of crude oil.


Dave that is Factually True
-but- That Vast Supply of Oil is still in the Ground.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-ps- Plus a Whole Lot More Coal Too.


First - There is a Shortage of Getting the Oil
out of the Ground to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Drill for more Oil in the USA.


Second - There is a Shortage of Oil Refining
Capablility to meet the Demand.
-specifically- In the USA for the USA.
-solution- Build more Oil Refineries in the USA.


ALTERNATIVE : WALK ! -or- Go Nowhere.


facts are facts ~ RHF
*.


- Nonsense.

(OT) : Electric Co-Generation through Heat-Recovery -is- Not
Nonsense.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...2008/07/18/200...

Solar thermal is already practical, as is nuclear and wind power. *The
only problem is to overcome ignorant "drill happy" folks who want to
dump misery on future generations to selfishly avoid dealing with the
global warming emergency before it does massive damage to the economy
and the population of humans on earth.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Dave[_17_] July 21st 08 08:09 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:46:51 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:


Denial is a marvelous thing.


As is courage; as is skepticism in the face of mass hysteria; as is
wisdom.


D Peter Maus July 21st 08 08:56 PM

(OT) : Energy for a Strong America and a Healthy US Economy
 
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:46:51 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:


Denial is a marvelous thing.


As is courage; as is skepticism in the face of mass hysteria; as is
wisdom.



So far, all I see from you is denial.




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