IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

They don't care about the technology that brings them the content they
want.

Only radio geeks care about the technology.

Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have not
materialized as promised.

Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There are
lots of formats available that are not available on the regular broadcast
band.

There's no interest in the product.

Just like the public wasn't interested in 'stereo' for a long time.

"What good was stereo when I have a mono radio..."?

Now, you wouldn't build an FM receiver without it!

it's not like HD will simply go away.

You're right...it's not going away....even if it's a slow growth technology.

After all, AM stereo had a more publicly interested pre launch. But, as
discussed here, delays due to legal wrangling and FCC's mishandling of the
technology and implementation allowed public interest to wane before a
practical launch.

Not just that, the public had no interest in AM stereo...period. There was
very little on AM that could benefit from stereo. Slong with the
"marketplace approach" of allowing competing standards on the air. The HD
experience is much better in that the sstandard is established.

Even so, it took more than 20 years for AM Stereo to die.

It didn't die....newer technology replaced it.

But, right now, as it stands, HD is a solution in search of a problem.

No, it's not....

The "question" is...."Are there alternatives to traditional radio....cuz I
don't like the commercials or the format offerrings? Is the only
alternative that I pay satelite fees for the rest of my life..."

Answer: yes are alternatives and HD is one of them.

It gives more functionality to radio...so it's not going away.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

A Brown wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
A Brown wrote:
Pancho did say that he showed some of these discussions to some
seminar groups a couple of years ago. I'd expect them to start showing
up now that it's starting to look like his position on HD is on the
wrong side of the public's interest.

Then, again, there are those true believers who desperately want HD to
take off for all its promise.
Then again, there are those radio geeks who despareately want HD radio to
fail!

The public doesn't care what radio geeks think.


Nor, apparently, does the public care about HD radio.

They don't care about the technology that brings them the content they want.

Only radio geeks care about the technology.





Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted.

SNIP

You mean the perversion of technology or maybe technology for sock
puppets.

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IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote:

A Brown wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
A Brown wrote:
Pancho did say that he showed some of these discussions to some
seminar groups a couple of years ago. I'd expect them to start
showing
up now that it's starting to look like his position on HD is on the
wrong side of the public's interest.

Then, again, there are those true believers who desperately want
HD to
take off for all its promise.
Then again, there are those radio geeks who despareately want HD
radio to
fail!

The public doesn't care what radio geeks think.


Nor, apparently, does the public care about HD radio.

They don't care about the technology that brings them the content they
want.

Only radio geeks care about the technology.


Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted.

SNIP

You mean the perversion of technology or maybe technology for sock
puppets.

More whiing from the weenie from Ventura.....who's afraid IBOC is taking
root and no one asked his opinion.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

m II wrote:
RHF wrote:

"Geeks" is more of an 'Internetish' slang term and
the Internet came long after Radio as a Hobby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek

Back in the Days of Radio being a 'cool' Hobby
the slang term would have been "Nerd"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd

Nerd? 'Squares' is more like it. With pocket protectors...and six inch
Sun-Hemmi bamboo slide rules.


Actually, mine's aluminum. And circular.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

D Peter Maus wrote:

Nerd? 'Squares' is more like it. With pocket protectors...and six inch
Sun-Hemmi bamboo slide rules.


Actually, mine's aluminum. And circular.


All the better to shield oneself from the bent paper clips shot via the
magnum India Rubber bands. Those thin coloured rubber bands were a joke
in comparison.

My dad had a round one too, but it was for ease of flight path
calculations and wind corrections.




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IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:
They don't care about the technology that brings them the content they
want.

Only radio geeks care about the technology.
Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have not
materialized as promised.

Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There are
lots of formats available that are not available on the regular broadcast
band.


And not widely available on HD. Most HD channels I've heard, are
dupes of the baseband audio, with HD2 being a simulcast of an AM sister.
The off beat programming options simply haven't materialized as promised.


There's no interest in the product.

Just like the public wasn't interested in 'stereo' for a long time.

"What good was stereo when I have a mono radio..."?

Now, you wouldn't build an FM receiver without it!

it's not like HD will simply go away.

You're right...it's not going away....even if it's a slow growth technology.

After all, AM stereo had a more publicly interested pre launch. But, as
discussed here, delays due to legal wrangling and FCC's mishandling of the
technology and implementation allowed public interest to wane before a
practical launch.

Not just that, the public had no interest in AM stereo...period. There was
very little on AM that could benefit from stereo.

At the time AM stereo was proposed, that's not true. Most listening
was still AM, at that time. Most music listening. And there were a
couple of systems that were actually quite good. With a wideband signal
AM Stereo could be very pleasing to the ear. The revised Kahn standard,
for instance, removed a good number of excessive filtration, and made
for a clean, listenable stereo. With a wideband receiver, it could
compete with contemporary FM's.

By the time FCC had decided to go with the multi-standard approach
and let the market battle it out, it was already too late for stereo to
benefit AM. The shift had slid to FM dominance.




Slong with the
"marketplace approach" of allowing competing standards on the air. The HD
experience is much better in that the sstandard is established.

Even so, it took more than 20 years for AM Stereo to die.

It didn't die....newer technology replaced it.


No, actually it died. New AM Stereo receivers were no longer
available in the US before HD was in practical tests.



But, right now, as it stands, HD is a solution in search of a problem.

No, it's not....

The "question" is...."Are there alternatives to traditional radio....cuz I
don't like the commercials or the format offerrings? Is the only
alternative that I pay satelite fees for the rest of my life..."




Answer: yes are alternatives and HD is one of them.

A minor one. The real alternatives, today are on cell phones,
podcasts and live streaming. HD is in the same position DAT was in when
it was introduced...not a lot of home users understood what it was. And
the endless music industry meddling with absurd copyguard schemes
delayed DAT until it had been leapfrogged by newer technology: PC based
recording and CD-R. By the time HD takes off with the public, it will be
irrelevant. Web based radios, live streaming on cellphones, podcasts and
mass customizable music downloads, all on handheld devices with better
audio, and fewer real world limitations to performance will have
eclipsed any potential HD may have had.

Short of a digital only mandate, there is nothing to keep HD relevant
as newer technologies make listening options easier, and more practical,
and more portable than ever.


And, if you think HD channels will remain commercial free, you need
to rethink that. Cable was commercial free. Look at it now. Satellite TV
was commercial free. Hmmmm...yes, well...And Sat Radio was promised to
be ALL commercial free.

Um...not so much.

And right now one of the hottest ad buys is a podcast. Highly
targeted advertising on programs that are selected by active listener
activity. I've seen spots go on a podcast for 10 times what the same
program would bring on radio.

HD will be commercial free as long as there is no interest in it. If
public interest develops, and stores put the radios back on teh shelves
for consumption, you may rest assured that there will be commercials on
HD.



It gives more functionality to radio...so it's not going away.


Not anytime soon. But its future is far from assured.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

m II wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

Nerd? 'Squares' is more like it. With pocket protectors...and six inch
Sun-Hemmi bamboo slide rules.

Actually, mine's aluminum. And circular.


All the better to shield oneself from the bent paper clips shot via the
magnum India Rubber bands. Those thin coloured rubber bands were a joke
in comparison.

My dad had a round one too, but it was for ease of flight path
calculations and wind corrections.


I have an E6b, as well. But I used my round slide rule for damned
near everything.

I had a Bowmar Brain when they were first released. And a Sinclair
Scientific. Neither were either fast enough, or versatile enough to
replace the sliderule.

That, however, has changed.





mike

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

D Peter Maus wrote:

I have an E6b, as well. But I used my round slide rule for damned near
everything.

I had a Bowmar Brain when they were first released. And a Sinclair
Scientific. Neither were either fast enough, or versatile enough to
replace the sliderule.

That, however, has changed.

I met a kid in the late sixties who had a chemistry slide rule. It had
all the elements on it. The thing would show you what would combine with
what and in what ratio. It was about a foot long and three inches wide.
I've never seen another one.



mike


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IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...
Pancho did say that he showed some of these discussions to some seminar
groups a couple of years ago. I'd expect them to start showing up now
that it's starting to look like his position on HD is on the wrong side
of the public's interest.

Then, again, there are those true believers who desperately want HD to
take off for all its promise.

Then again, there are those radio geeks who despareately want HD radio to
fail!

The public doesn't care what radio geeks think.

Nor do they care what iBiquity thinks, says, or does. Far less than half a
million units sold over the past 4 years.. anyone else would have already
packed it in as a bad investment.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

m II wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

I have an E6b, as well. But I used my round slide rule for damned near
everything.

I had a Bowmar Brain when they were first released. And a Sinclair
Scientific. Neither were either fast enough, or versatile enough to
replace the sliderule.

That, however, has changed.

I met a kid in the late sixties who had a chemistry slide rule. It had
all the elements on it. The thing would show you what would combine with
what and in what ratio. It was about a foot long and three inches wide.
I've never seen another one.


I may still have mine.




mike

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

Then, again, there are those true believers who desperately want HD to
take off for all its promise.

Then again, there are those radio geeks who despareately want HD radio to
fail!

The public doesn't care what radio geeks think.

Nor do they care what iBiquity thinks, says, or does.

No kidding...that's why it will either live or die on it's own...regardless
of what you, I...or anyone else on this board think.

Most of the piuss and vinegar here is misplaced.

Far less than half a million units sold over the past 4 years..

It doesn't matter how many units were sold. That's not how sucess is being
measured.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have
not materialized as promised.

Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There
are lots of formats available that are not available on the regular
broadcast band.

And not widely available on HD.

There are ALL available where I am.

Most HD channels I've heard, are dupes of the baseband audio,

That's the HD-1 channel. The HD-2 and HD-3, etc...channels can be anything
they want.

....with HD2 being a simulcast of an AM sister. The off beat programming
options simply haven't materialized as promised.

Sure they have. Wouldn't it be nice to be informed before making incorrect
statements?

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There are lots of formats
available

At the time AM stereo was proposed, that's not true. Most listening was
still AM, at that time. Most music listening.

But the FCC decided to let the marketplace choose the standard.
Disasterous!

Radio stations, radio manufacturers and Carmakers would not move on it until
a market standard evolved. By the time that started happenning (mid 80's?)
most AM music stations were a thing of the past.

At least that's ONE thing that's different with HD.

It didn't die....newer technology replaced it.

No, actually it died.

No, AM stereo is now available with newer technology...IBOC.

But, right now, as it stands, HD is a solution in search of a problem.

No, it's not....

The "question" is...."Are there alternatives to traditional radio....cuz
I don't like the commercials or the format offerrings? Is the only
alternative that I pay satelite fees for the rest of my life..."

Answer: yes are alternatives and HD is one of them.

A minor one. The real alternatives, today are on cell phones, podcasts
and live streaming.

They are ALL alternatives...hence the word....alternatives.

All of the alternatives you mentioned are way below 1% listening.

Would you prefer radio sit it out and let phones, podcasts and internet
streaming emerge without radio at least attempting to play a role?

And, if you think HD channels will remain commercial free, you need to
rethink that. Cable was commercial free. Look at it now. Satellite TV was
commercial free.

FM radio was commercial free....look at it now!

No, I am under no illusions that commercial free will last forever, it will
last as long as it takes, though.

And right now one of the hottest ad buys is a podcast.

Podcasts are still less than .01% of listening. (I can't imagine there is
much money for ad rates.) Sattelite radio is less than 1% penetration. More
and more money IS going to web pages though....even on the local level.

HD will be commercial free as long as there is no interest in it.

Just like FM. Radio used a negative (lack of listeners/advertisers for FM)
as a PLUS!

It gives more functionality to radio...so it's not going away.

Not anytime soon. But its future is far from assured.

Nothing is assured....not even tomorrow.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:
Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have
not materialized as promised.
Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There
are lots of formats available that are not available on the regular
broadcast band.

And not widely available on HD.

There are ALL available where I am.


Not whare I am. Nor where I've been so far this year.



Most HD channels I've heard, are dupes of the baseband audio,

That's the HD-1 channel. The HD-2 and HD-3, etc...channels can be anything
they want.


Can. Doesn't mean they are.



....with HD2 being a simulcast of an AM sister. The off beat programming
options simply haven't materialized as promised.

Sure they have. Wouldn't it be nice to be informed before making incorrect
statements?

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.


I live in Chicago. Big enough for you?

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

No, 50% of Americans live in a top 50 market.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
A Brown wrote:
Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have
not materialized as promised.
Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There
are lots of formats available that are not available on the regular
broadcast band.

And not widely available on HD.

There are ALL available where I am.


Not whare I am. Nor where I've been so far this year.

You don't get out much.... BTW...You shouldn't make absolute judgements
only based on your own limited experiences.

Most HD channels I've heard, are dupes of the baseband audio,

That's the HD-1 channel. The HD-2 and HD-3, etc...channels can be
anything they want.

Can. Doesn't mean they are.

I just showed you they are. If you live near a Top 15 Moraket and 85% of
America does.

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.


I live in Chicago. Big enough for you?

Take a look!

(I don't see many "AM rebroadcasts"..some even have HD3 channels!)

WMBI:FM 90.1 Religion=HD1 / HD2=Praise Music / HD3=Kids!

WPWX: FM 92.3 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Classic Hip Hop;

WXRT: FM 93.1 Rock=HD1 / HD2=New Music

WLIT:FM 93.9 Adult contemporary=HD1 / HD2=Disco

WNUA:FM 95.5 Smooth Jazz=HD1 / HD2=Traditional Jazz

WERV:FM 95.9 Oldies=HD1 / HD2=Rapids (Whatever that is...)

WBBM:FM 96.3 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Dance

WDRV:FM 97.1 Classic rock=HD1 / HD2=Deep Tracks

WLUP: FM 97.9 Rock=HD1 / HD2=Loop Loud

WUSN: FM 99.5 Country=HD1 / HD2=Future Country / HD-3 99.5-3 FM (Trucker!)

WILV: FM 100.3 Rhymic Oldies=HD1 / HD2=Love Songs

WKQX: FM 101.1 Alternative=HD1 / HD2=Alternative

WTMX: FM 101.9 Adult Contemporary=HD1 / HD2=80's;

WVAZ: FM 102.7 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Gospel;

WKSC: FM 103.5 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Pride

WJMK: FM 104.3 Variety=HD1 / HD2=60's, 70's

WSRB: FM 106.3 R&B=HD1 / HD2=Soul;

WGCI: FM 107.5 Hip Hop R&B=HD1 /HD2=Old School Hip Hop


Maybe you should buy an HD radio and discover what's out there..instead of
parroting whatever negative information you may have heard.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

No, 50% of Americans live in a top 50 market.

I have an Arbitron graph chart in my office that says it's 85/15.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
A Brown wrote:
Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have
not materialized as promised.
Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There
are lots of formats available that are not available on the regular
broadcast band.

And not widely available on HD.
There are ALL available where I am.

Not whare I am. Nor where I've been so far this year.

You don't get out much.... BTW...You shouldn't make absolute judgements
only based on your own limited experiences.


Yeah, 38 states in 5 months. You're right, definitely a home body.




If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

I live in Chicago. Big enough for you?

Take a look!


Yes, I live here, remember?



(I don't see many "AM rebroadcasts"..some even have HD3 channels!)


You missed a few.

You also missed that many of these HD 2 and HD 3 channels are the
same playlist as other stations in the group.

There's not a lot of innovation here.

Certainly not a lot of alternatives.



WMBI:FM 90.1 Religion=HD1 / HD2=Praise Music / HD3=Kids!

WPWX: FM 92.3 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Classic Hip Hop;

WXRT: FM 93.1 Rock=HD1 / HD2=New Music

WLIT:FM 93.9 Adult contemporary=HD1 / HD2=Disco

WNUA:FM 95.5 Smooth Jazz=HD1 / HD2=Traditional Jazz

WERV:FM 95.9 Oldies=HD1 / HD2=Rapids (Whatever that is...)

WBBM:FM 96.3 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Dance

WDRV:FM 97.1 Classic rock=HD1 / HD2=Deep Tracks

WLUP: FM 97.9 Rock=HD1 / HD2=Loop Loud

WUSN: FM 99.5 Country=HD1 / HD2=Future Country / HD-3 99.5-3 FM (Trucker!)

WILV: FM 100.3 Rhymic Oldies=HD1 / HD2=Love Songs

WKQX: FM 101.1 Alternative=HD1 / HD2=Alternative

WTMX: FM 101.9 Adult Contemporary=HD1 / HD2=80's;

WVAZ: FM 102.7 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Gospel;

WKSC: FM 103.5 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Pride

WJMK: FM 104.3 Variety=HD1 / HD2=60's, 70's

WSRB: FM 106.3 R&B=HD1 / HD2=Soul;

WGCI: FM 107.5 Hip Hop R&B=HD1 /HD2=Old School Hip Hop


Maybe you should buy an HD radio and discover what's out there..instead of
parroting whatever negative information you may have heard.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

(I don't see many "AM rebroadcasts"..some even have HD3 channels!)

You missed a few.
You also missed that many of these HD 2 and HD 3 channels are the same
playlist as other stations in the group.

For example?

There's not a lot of innovation here.

What are you expecting? Howard Stern? Oprah Winfrey? How's that working
out for the Sat Radio companies?

Certainly not a lot of alternatives.

21 Streams are not enough alternatives?

Maybe you should buy an HD radio and discover what's really out
there..instead of
parroting whatever negative information you may have heard.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:

There's not a lot of innovation here.

What are you expecting? Howard Stern? Oprah Winfrey? How's that working
out for the Sat Radio companies?



Now weren't you the one speaking of the myriad of alternative
formats, innovative formats, and off-mainstream formats? Now you're
pooh-poohing innovation?

Hmmm...
Certainly not a lot of alternatives.

21 Streams are not enough alternatives?


Not when half of them are repackaged formats with the same playlists
as the baseband formats, no.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

Now weren't you the one speaking of the myriad of alternative
formats, innovative formats, and off-mainstream formats? Now you're
pooh-poohing innovation?

Nope. 21 extra streams of music in a market is fine for me.

Not when half of them are repackaged formats with the same playlists as
the baseband formats, no.

I don't see any with the "same playlist as the baseband formats".

Asking again.....an example? Or is this more parroting?

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"A Brown" wrote in message
...

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top
15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

No, 50% of Americans live in a top 50 market.

I have an Arbitron graph chart in my office that says it's 85/15.

The 12+ population of the USA is 240 million, roughly.

The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.


1 CM BH S New York, NY 15,345,000
2 CM BH S Los Angeles, CA 10,902,400
3 CM BH S Chicago, IL 7,784,400
4 CM BH S San Francisco, CA 5,969,400
5 CM BH S Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX 4,973,000
6 PPM BH S Houston-Galveston, TX 4,639,000
7 PPM BH S Philadelphia, PA 4,350,000
8 CM BH S Atlanta, GA 4,267,500
9 CM BH S Washington, DC 4,210,000
10 CM BH S Boston, MA 3,874,600
11 CM B S Detroit, MI 3,866,500
12 CM BH S Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood, FL 3,538,400
13 CM QD Puerto Rico 3,328,500
14 CM BH S Seattle-Tacoma, WA 3,328,100
15 CM H S Phoenix, AZ 3,173,200
16 CM B S Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 2,683,000
17 CM BH S San Diego, CA 2,515,100
18 CM BH * Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island), NY 2,359,300
19 CM BH S Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,350,000
20 CM B S St. Louis, MO 2,308,400
21 CM B S Baltimore, MD 2,255,100
22 CM BH S Denver-Boulder, CO 2,244,300
23 CM H S Portland, OR 2,049,600
24 CM B S Pittsburgh, PA 1,986,600
25 CM BH S Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,886,100
26 CM BH * Riverside-San Bernardino, CA 1,829,200
27 CM BH S Sacramento, CA 1,805,200
28 CM B S Cleveland, OH 1,782,400
29 CM B S Cincinnati, OH 1,751,400
30 CM BH S San Antonio, TX 1,626,500
31 CM H S Salt Lake City-Ogden-Provo, UT 1,621,900
32 CM BH S Kansas City, MO-KS 1,592,800
33 CM BH S Las Vegas, NV 1,541,900
34 CM BH S Orlando, FL 1,479,900
35 CM H * San Jose, CA 1,465,400
36 CM BH S Milwaukee-Racine, WI 1,431,300
37 CM B S Columbus, OH 1,427,000
38 CM BH NA Middlesex-Somerset-Union, NJ 1,378,800
39 CM H S Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket, RI 1,376,500
40 CM B S Indianapolis, IN 1,350,900
41 CM B S Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,327,700
42 CM BH S Austin, TX 1,309,500
43 CM BH S Raleigh-Durham, NC 1,230,300
44 CM B S Nashville, TN 1,182,900
45 CM BH S Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point, NC 1,154,400
46 CM BH S West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL 1,116,400
47 CM B S Jacksonville, FL 1,106,400
48 CM BH S Oklahoma City, OK 1,091,300
49 CM B S Memphis, TN 1,072,800
50 CM BH S Hartford-New Britain-Middletown, CT 1,048,200

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:
Now weren't you the one speaking of the myriad of alternative
formats, innovative formats, and off-mainstream formats? Now you're
pooh-poohing innovation?

Nope. 21 extra streams of music in a market is fine for me.

Not when half of them are repackaged formats with the same playlists as
the baseband formats, no.

I don't see any with the "same playlist as the baseband formats".

Asking again.....an example? Or is this more parroting?



Why don't you try turning on a radio and see for yourself.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.

You know I've seen that chart from Arbitron too....

Could it be 85% or radio listening is done in Top 15 markets.

There was an arbitron poster that the pd had in their office.....

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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A Brown wrote:
Now weren't you the one speaking of the myriad of alternative
formats, innovative formats, and off-mainstream formats? Now you're
pooh-poohing innovation?

Nope. 21 extra streams of music in a market is fine for me.

Not when half of them are repackaged formats with the same playlists
as the baseband formats, no.

I don't see any with the "same playlist as the baseband formats".

Asking again.....an example? Or is this more parroting?



Why don't you try turning on a radio and see for yourself.

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD radio....

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

RP wrote:

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD radio....



So this is just a baseless accusation because you do....

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"RP" wrote in message
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The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.

You know I've seen that chart from Arbitron too....

Could it be 85% or radio listening is done in Top 15 markets.

That's not true, either. If the top 15 have 38% of the population, about 38%
of radio listening is done in those markets.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"RP" wrote in message
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The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.

You know I've seen that chart from Arbitron too....

Could it be 85% or radio listening is done in Top 15 markets.

That's not true, either. If the top 15 have 38% of the population, about
38% of radio listening is done in those markets.

I'm still trying to reconcile my memory with that fact/figure.... ;-)

Could it be that 85% of America lives in one of the top 15 market "ADI's"?

(Or TV markets?)

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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RP wrote:

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD
radio....



So this is just a baseless accusation because you do....

Far from baseless.....I think every one of your false points has been
answered...point by point!

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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RP wrote:

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD
radio....


So this is just a baseless accusation because you do....

Far from baseless.....I think every one of your false points has been
answered...point by point!



LOL!

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 15, 11:14�pm, "A Brown" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...

A Brown wrote:
� Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have
not materialized as promised.
Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There
are lots of formats available that are not available on the regular
broadcast band.

� And not widely available on HD.

There are ALL available where I am.

� �Not whare I am. Nor where I've been so far this year..

You don't get out much.... � BTW...You shouldn't make absolute judgements
only based on your own limited experiences.

Most HD channels I've heard, are dupes of the baseband audio,

That's the HD-1 channel. �The HD-2 and HD-3, etc...channels can be
anything they want.

� Can. Doesn't mean they are.

I just showed you they are. �If you live near a Top 15 Moraket and 85% of
America does.

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

� I live in Chicago. Big enough for you?

Take a look!

(I don't see many "AM rebroadcasts"..some even have HD3 channels!)

WMBI:FM 90.1 Religion=HD1 / HD2=Praise Music / HD3=Kids!

WPWX: FM 92.3 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Classic Hip Hop;

WXRT: FM 93.1 Rock=HD1 / HD2=New Music

WLIT:FM 93.9 Adult contemporary=HD1 �/ HD2=Disco

WNUA:FM 95.5 Smooth Jazz=HD1 / HD2=Traditional Jazz

WERV:FM 95.9 Oldies=HD1 �/ HD2=Rapids (Whatever that is...)

WBBM:FM 96.3 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Dance

WDRV:FM 97.1 Classic rock=HD1 / HD2=Deep Tracks

WLUP: FM 97.9 Rock=HD1 / HD2=Loop Loud

WUSN: FM 99.5 Country=HD1 / HD2=Future Country / HD-3 99.5-3 FM (Trucker!)

WILV: FM 100.3 Rhymic Oldies=HD1 / HD2=Love Songs

WKQX: FM 101.1 Alternative=HD1 / HD2=Alternative

WTMX: FM 101.9 Adult Contemporary=HD1 / HD2=80's;

WVAZ: FM 102.7 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Gospel;

WKSC: FM 103.5 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Pride

WJMK: FM 104.3 Variety=HD1 �/ HD2=60's, 70's

WSRB: FM 106.3 R&B=HD1 / HD2=Soul;

WGCI: FM 107.5 Hip Hop R&B=HD1 /HD2=Old School Hip Hop

Maybe you should buy anHD radioand discover what's out there..instead of
parroting whatever negative information you may have heard.

Most of these formats are just clever reqorks off the main analog
channels:

"HD Hypocrisy"

"Here's a few more reasons why only iBiquity and a few clueless radio
group heads could make a big thing out of HD radio tagging... The very
damn radio stations that broadcast in HD offer no programming worth
listening to. HD Radio is a virtual sewer of formats owners don't want
on their terrestrial frequencies and other assorted garbage that no
one sane would listen to -- let alone spend money for new radios --
tagging or not."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...hypocrisy.html

HD Radio is a farce!

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

WSRB: FM 106.3 R&B=HD1 / HD2=Soul;

WGCI: FM 107.5 Hip Hop R&B=HD1 /HD2=Old School Hip Hop

Maybe you should buy anHD radioand discover what's out there..instead of
parroting whatever negative information you may have heard.

Most of these formats are just clever reqorks off the main analog
channels:

Another parrot?

Check the playlists. They are not.

Wouldn't you rather be informed about things before you speak?

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 6, 10:24*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
[snip]

As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.

It's true. AM's problem is perceptual rather than technical in
nature, so it would be surprising if a technical solution (AM stereo
or HD radio) would do much to help stem its gradual decline.

AM radio has nowhere to go but more of where it is already: carrying
focused formats with significant but limited appeal that wouldn't fly
on FM. It might continue to be modestly successful in this way for a
long time to come, however, because there are probably just enough
people who will listen to a 24/7 polka station (for example) in a
metro area to fly on AM.

One man's gold is another man's trash. Don't be surprised if many
people tune up and down the AM dial and find little of interest to
them, and never bother with AM again. I suspect that this has already
happened with a lot of less old listeners.

AM Radio Talks To Me -and- Speaks What's On My Mind
 

On Jul 18, 2:58*am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In

posted on Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:42:06 -0700 (PDT),

wrote: Begin *

One man's gold is another man's trash. *Don't be surprised if many
people tune up and down the AM dial and find little of interest to
them, and never bother with AM again. *I suspect that this has already
happened with a lot of less old listeners.

- Only reason the 'more old listeners' don't abandon AM
- after a couple tuning passes is a lingering nostalgia for
- the days when AM was OK

D'Oh ! . . . AM is still A-Ok ! - yeah ~ RHF

Feel The Rush & Get Hannitized -aka- The Savage Nation

AM Radio Talks To Me -and- Speaks What's On My Mind

Real Men Listen To AM/MW Radio
- - - don't be an fm radio wos ~ RHF