IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band “HD” radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false “HD” detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I’ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There’s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity “HD” quality. Now that’s a real swell use of
spectrum.

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band “HD” radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false “HD” detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I’ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There’s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity “HD” quality. Now that’s a real swell use of
spectrum.

The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in ³HD² radio?
 

In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false ³HD² detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell use of
spectrum.

The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.

Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in³HD² radio?
 

In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to
broadcast all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling
audio, dropouts and interference issues, false ³HD² detection and
switching problems. No CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like
that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to
buy one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting
infomercials in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell
use of spectrum.
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound
like FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.

Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on
a good day.



I wonder if he can actually hear. Though, nowhere near High Fidelity
on it's best day, XM has clearly been working on its codec. Compared to
audio I trapped three+ years ago, the audio on XM has vastly improved.
Talk channels still suck, but the music channels are much more listenable.

I much prefer XM to HD.

My brother has XM in two cars and at home. The home stereo was expensive
and I did not care for the sound in any of those situations.

Going through the channels I could not find one I liked same as
terrestrial radio. Some channels I could listen to for a while but then
they would play stuff I didn't like so I would skip around to another
channel. All in all I could not see paying for it as I tired of looking
for something I wanted to hear every few minutes.

Traveling down the road in the car passing under some trees and having
the sound drop out is kind of lame for new technology.

XM audio has artifacts I don't like, programming I don't care for, and
works like crap in the car so it's not for me.

HD in the broadcast bands as IBOC is an engineering abortion best case.

So what do I do for listening other than SW? I listen to a variety of
talk shows, news, and weather on AM. On FM it is usually classical music
or NPR talk programs and news. If both of those fail to interest me at
the moment I play CD's that are usually either classical or contemporary
music in the album format that I purchase or make myself.

I have never found a music format that didn't literally dive me nuts on
terrestrial radio. The formats always sounded disassociative to me. The
only way I can listen to music is as the performers intended as an album.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in ³HD² radio?
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false ³HD² detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell use of
spectrum.
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.

Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.

Whack job? Who talks like that.

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in³HD² radio?
 

In article ,
Dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false ³HD² detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell use of
spectrum.
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.

Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.

Whack job? Who talks like that.

You. You whack job.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in ³HD² radio?
 

D Peter Maus wrote:
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false ³HD² detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell use of
spectrum.
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.

Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.



I wonder if he can actually hear. Though, nowhere near High Fidelity
on it's best day, XM has clearly been working on its codec. Compared to
audio I trapped three+ years ago, the audio on XM has vastly improved.
Talk channels still suck, but the music channels are much more listenable.

I much prefer XM to HD.



I quit XM completely about a year ago. They use a very similar coder to
HD radio. I can only stand Sirius in the car. I'm pretty much a web
streamer these days.

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in³HD² radio?
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false ³HD² detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell use of
spectrum.
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.
Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.

Whack job? Who talks like that.

You. You whack job.

You have social issues.

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in³HD² radio?
 

In article ,
Dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band ³HD² radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false ³HD² detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I¹ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There¹s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity ³HD² quality. Now that¹s a real swell use of
spectrum.
The dubious claim is that HD makes FM sound like CD and AM sound like
FM. They both sound like XM on a bad day.
Do you have any idea what you sound like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.

Whack job? Who talks like that.

You. You whack job.

You have social issues.

You have a refried brain.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBiquity ­ Where¹s the ³HD²in³HD² radio?
 

Telamon wrote:
d like? A whack job and that's on a
good day.

Whack job? Who talks like that.
You. You whack job.

You have social issues.

You have a refried brain.

Since you can't point to anything specific I must pronounce you a fool.

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

On Jul 4, 11:23 pm, Rfburns wrote:
Been listening to a little AM Broadcast Band “HD” radio and still
trying to figure out how iBiquity can tout it as CD quality.
Considering the fact that it takes about 40 kHz bandwidth to broadcast
all kinds of strange digital noises, odd warbling audio, dropouts and
interference issues, false “HD” detection and switching problems. No
CD system that I’ve heard sounds like that - even real cheap $15 ones.

I think that if manufacturers made better radios and broadcasters
would widen their AM signals you could achieve better and more
consistent quality with less bother. There’s just no reason to buy
one if you ask me.

What I find particularly amusing is stations transmitting infomercials
in iBiquity “HD” quality. Now that’s a real swell use of
spectrum.

But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.

You gotta just love the silence. You ibiquity guys are so smart. I
wonder if this is one of their software tools?

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

"Rfburns" wrote in message
news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.

On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

On Jul 6, 3:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.

On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.


Well, Eduardo it happens all the time on the Sony XDR-S3HD. Which is
practically being given away now because nobody wants them and places
like Best Buy, etc lost their ass on them.

I can't imagine why any company would want to waste anymore
developmental dollars on ibiquity "HD" technology again after seeing
the dismal sales and performance it produces.

The other thing I like about "HD" is when the analog and digital
signals are out of sync by several seconds and the signal just isn't
strong enough to get an "HD" lock. It goes back and forth replaying
the delayed signal over and over while it constantly switches back and
forth from analog to "HD" and back to analog and then back to "HD".
Over and Over. Since I live more the 20 miles from the nearest "HD"
station this is pretty much the norm. It's a real treat to hear how
screwed up system is and how poorly implemented the digital component
is.

Another thing I love seeing is when an "HD" station advertises their
website on the goofy little screen so you can use your Web radio to
hear them rather than their terrestrial radio signal. That’s a nice
touch. Looks to me like most stations know what a bust ibiquity "HD"
is.

Someday, when iBiquity "HD" is just a memory of another failed
technology I'll recall with fond memories what a joke it was.

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

On Jul 6, 4:28 pm, Rfburns wrote:
On Jul 6, 3:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Rfburns" wrote in message

news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.

On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

"Rfburns" wrote in message
...
On Jul 6, 3:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.

On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.


Well, Eduardo it happens all the time on the Sony XDR-S3HD. Which is
practically being given away now because nobody wants them and places
like Best Buy, etc lost their ass on them.

Several of our LA offices have those, and they never do what you say they
do. You either have a defective unit or ar dealing in hypoerbole.

IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

"Rfburns" wrote in message
...
..

Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
but you scare me.

Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there, and
our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"The Traveller" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:23:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Rfburns" wrote in message
news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. Now
that's a cool strategy.

On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen.
Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.

I have a SONY XDR-S3HD and I live more than 20 miles+ from the nearest
AM transmitter. I can attest to the fact that the AM & FM HD
programming drops in & out on a regular basis even if the signal
strength bar graph shows a very strong signal! This is really annoying
(how strong does strong need to be?)

Try rereading the post by rfburns. He is talking about non-HD AMs dropping
out on the receiver, not HD digital channels.

The Sony is a second generation receiver, and none of them is very good at
HD reception.

As to AM in Carlsbad, you are at the fringe of the AM signals of the San
Diego HD AMs, so dropout would be likely on a bad receiver. The fact is that
SD does not even have an AM that totally covers the market with a usable
signal.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio -The Answer Is - The 4% Solution
 

On Jul 6, 5:38*pm, The Traveller wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:23:22 -0700, "David Eduardo"

wrote:

"Rfburns" wrote in message
news:943a3dde-145d-4ff8-b5b7-
But the part I love the most about "HD"radio is when your listening to
a non-hd station the radio switches to "HD" mode and goes silent. *Now
that's a cool strategy.

On at least a dozen different HD receivers, I have never had this happen..
Nor, until now in your message, have I ever heard of it happening.

I have a SONY XDR-S3HD and I live more than 20 miles+ from the nearest
AM transmitter. I can attest to the fact that the AM & FM HD
programming drops in & out on a regular basis even if the signal
strength bar graph shows a very strong signal! This is really annoying
(how strong does strong need to be?)

Worse yet, on FM, I even installed an amplified antenna to try to
improve the system as the signal was never strong enough (flashing HD
icon indicates the presence of an HD signal but reception is in analog
as it's too weak (sigh)). With the amplified antenna, HD locks on more
channels but STILL shows the flashing HD icon on many others! The
signal strength bar graph shows full strength!

My HD TV is via cable. As a FYI, I live in Carlsbad CA, which is 35
miles north of San Diego and 100 miles south of LA.

______________________

The Traveller
Carlsbad, California

Living-and-Listening Beyond-the-Pale {The 10 MV/M Contour}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...dcdfa185e0923c

FM HD-Radio -The Answer Is - The 4% Solution
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...07beb97dcb233a

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
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IBiquity – Where’s the “HD” in “HD” radio?
 

On Jul 6, 11:36 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
.

Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
but you scare me.

Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there, and
our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.

Eduardo - with all due respect to you (which isn't much) what I say is
happening on the Sony is happening.

With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.

There is so much bad stuff about iBiquity HD in it's current state
that it's hard to know where to start, aside from the fact that the
Sony is a clunky piece of technology.

You can argue all night about whose fault it is - iBiquity or the
manufacturers but the consumer doesn't care. All they know is that
they don't want it and rightly so.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 7, 12:05*am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In posted on Sun,
6 Jul 2008 22:24:13 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin *



As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.

- Maybe the AM band will be abandoned by 'commercial'
- pollution and will remain, as FM once was,
- a non-commercial adjunct to a station's service.

AM/MW Radio Broadcasting in the USA is a Commercial
Enterprise and as such : =IF= There Is No Revenue : Them
There Is No Reason To Broadcast [.] - The AM/MW Band Dies.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 7, 11:24*am, Dave wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0700, RHF wrote:

AM/MW Radio Broadcasting in the USA is a Commercial Enterprise and as
such : =IF= There Is No Revenue : Them There Is No Reason To Broadcast
[.] - The AM/MW Band Dies.

- There are several standard broadcast noncomms.

Several out of a Total of 4,754 AM Radio Stations would
appear to be the Exception that proves the Rule.

-*For some reason ethnics and religious types can
- make a go of facilities that big corporations can't
- seem to run.

These are usually 'under-written' non-profit enterprises.

Hey the AM Radio Band could become "The All Mighty's" Radio Band.

-*There are other reasons to broadcast besides making
- money.

Not as a general rule in the USA.

-*Why do pirates go on the air?

The Pirates are Pirates -because- They Want To Be Pirates.
-aka- Bad Boys !

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:


money. Why do pirates go on the air?




In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.

If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.


I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.

You are talking to a former NPR PD (admittedly before the ala carte era).

www.pacifica.org

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
As to AM in Carlsbad, you are at the fringe of the AM signals of the San
Diego HD AMs, so dropout would be likely on a bad receiver. The fact is
that
SD does not even have an AM that totally covers the market with a usable
signal.

2nd model maybe, not second generation.

First generation used several separate chips. Second, starting with the BA
Receptor, used an integrated chip, third generation coming in next few
months.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on Sun,
6 Jul 2008 22:24:13 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin


As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the
only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.

Maybe the AM band will be abandoned by 'commercial' pollution and will
remain, as FM once was, a non-commercial adjunct to a station's service.

Or maybe, like much of the world, the AM band will slowly die off... count
the AMs in South Africa or Chile or Ecuador or the Windward and Leeward
Islands or Austria and compare with 30 years ago.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In

posted on Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT), RHF wrote: Begin

On Jul 7, 12:05 am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In posted on Sun,
6 Jul 2008 22:24:13 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin



As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the
only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.

- Maybe the AM band will be abandoned by 'commercial'
- pollution and will remain, as FM once was,
- a non-commercial adjunct to a station's service.

AM/MW Radio Broadcasting in the USA is a Commercial
Enterprise and as such : =IF= There Is No Revenue : Them
There Is No Reason To Broadcast [.] - The AM/MW Band Dies.

Like the sleepy FMBCB from the fifties did during the sixties?

Actually, station count on FM declined from 1950 to 1960, but started
building considerably by the early 60's.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"Dave" wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:


money. Why do pirates go on the air?




In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.

If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.


I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.

All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money due
to sharper competitors or bad signals.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:35:06 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:


All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
due to sharper competitors or bad signals.

They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:35:06 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:


All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
due to sharper competitors or bad signals.

They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.

They did no such thing. Indie was run by Entravision with a JSA (joint sales
agreement) with Clear Channel so they would not have to have a separate
sales department for a station (actually, combo) that only covers about 20%
of the market.

In any case, that was years ago... and the FCC only stopped them indirectly.
Clear ceased to hold the JSA because the FCC redefined the method used to
determine what a "radio market" is, causing quite a few changes across the
country to a number of broadcasters.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.

I have never heard of this happenning...nor had it happen to me.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

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On Jul 7, 1:24 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:36 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
.

Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
but you scare me.

Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there,
and
our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.

Eduardo - with all due respect to you (which isn't much) what I say is
happening on the Sony is happening.

Then your radio is defective. If many such radios work fine, and one does
not, it is the radio.



With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.

That sounds like you are listening for adjacent or next adjacent AMs with an
HD AM in its primary coverage area near you. The DX listening is not
protected legally, so this is not a defect.



You can argue all night about whose fault it is - iBiquity or the
manufacturers but the consumer doesn't care. All they know is that
they don't want it and rightly so.

As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.


Eduardo - You have a view of life that is distorted by your greed.
You, and people like you, are part of the problem. Your arguments are
both bogus and biased and always self-serving. This is easily detected
by your "old-fart" comment as well as others you have made.

There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
hopefully will be for a long time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 7, 1:24 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:36 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
.

Eduardo - I'd invite you over to my palce to hear some of these things
but you scare me.

Bring it to my office and we can compare it with several of them there,
and
our engineering staff can look at the one you have too.

Eduardo - with all due respect to you (which isn't much) what I say is
happening on the Sony is happening.

Then your radio is defective. If many such radios work fine, and one does
not, it is the radio.



With the radio tuned to a non HD AM station, adjacent AM HD stations
cause the receiver to switch to HD which results in the receive audio
to shut off for several seconds. This occurs regularly on AM.

That sounds like you are listening for adjacent or next adjacent AMs with an
HD AM in its primary coverage area near you. The DX listening is not
protected legally, so this is not a defect.



You can argue all night about whose fault it is - iBiquity or the
manufacturers but the consumer doesn't care. All they know is that
they don't want it and rightly so.

As far as AM HD, what the consumers don't want is AM. No amount of
technology can fix the AM band and its old-fart image among most anyone
under about 45. This is why AM listening is declining so fast, and the only
remaining listeners soon will be over 55, a group nearly no agency ad
account wants.


Eduardo - You have a view of life that is distorted by your greed.
You, and people like you, are part of the problem. Your arguments are
both bogus and biased and always self-serving. This is easily detected
by your "old-fart" comment as well as others you have made.

There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio. There are hundreds of local AM stations
that serve their areas well and they are still in business and
hopefully will be for a long time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a second if you could. You are pathetic.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio.

And they can continue to enjoy them in analog.

HD radio simply adds more functionality.

No one istaking away analog radio

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:35:06 -0700, David Eduardo wrote:

All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money
due to sharper competitors or bad signals.
They ran Indie 103.1 at a loss until the FCC stopped them.

They did no such thing. Indie was run by Entravision with a JSA (joint sales
agreement) with Clear Channel so they would not have to have a separate
sales department for a station (actually, combo) that only covers about 20%
of the market.

20% if you count unoccupied dirt. Clear Channel ran it at a loss to
chip away at KROQ and to claim the widest playlists in America. JSA
usually means the bigger entity runs things.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
news:telamon_spamshield-
As to AM in Carlsbad, you are at the fringe of the AM signals of the San
Diego HD AMs, so dropout would be likely on a bad receiver. The fact is
that
SD does not even have an AM that totally covers the market with a usable
signal.
2nd model maybe, not second generation.
First generation used several separate chips. Second, starting with the BA
Receptor, used an integrated chip, third generation coming in next few
months.

Nope. All radios so far are using general purpose IC programmed by EPROM
to run the Ibiquity application.

I'll let you know when an IC that specifically designed for IBOC comes
around.


Isn't there an off the shelf MPEG4 decoder involved?

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:

money. Why do pirates go on the air?



In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.

If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.

I don't have a bong.

SNIP

You got a pipe.

Do you drink?

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 7, 5:35 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

m...



On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:

money. Why do pirates go on the air?

In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.

If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.

I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.

All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money due
to sharper competitors or bad signals.


Eduardo – Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.

There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think you’re proven right. But so many times you’re
wrong. You are pathetic.

Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves they’re doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.

No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside you’re
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

Rfburns wrote:

On Jul 7, 5:35 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

m...



On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:

money. Why do pirates go on the air?

In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.

If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.

I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.

All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money due
to sharper competitors or bad signals.

Eduardo – Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.

There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think you’re proven right. But so many times you’re
wrong. You are pathetic.

Not only that, but Pancho is pathological as well.

Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves they’re doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.

No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside you’re
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.

Don't forget that his mama kicked him out of Cleveland because he was an
embarrassment to her and her socialite pretensions.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

A Brown wrote:
There a millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but a
few deluded insiders, like yourself, are perfectly happy with the
performance of analog radio.

And they can continue to enjoy them in analog.

HD radio simply adds more functionality.

No one istaking away analog radio



Bull****. Every HD FM channel uses 3 analog channels. HD AM uses 5
analog channels.

IBiquity - Where's the "HD" in "HD" radio?
 

On Jul 7, 5:35 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

m...



On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:35:41 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:

money. Why do pirates go on the air?

In the USA, Radio is always about the money. ALWAYS.

If you don't think NPR, PRI are not about the money, you need to
return your bong.

I don't have a bong. Not every radio station makes money. Some are on
the air to advance an ideology; some are run at a loss for other
business reasons; some are just run by eccentric owners for the fun of
it. We have a station here that Clear Channel runs at a loss just so
they can claim to be more eclectic when they get attacked for being too
controlling of the music.

All the CC stations in the LA market make lots of money. None of the CC
stations is run at a loss on purpose, although some of them lose money due
to sharper competitors or bad signals.


Eduardo – Your view of life is distorted by your greed. You, and
people like you, are the problem. Your arguments are both bogus and
biased and always self-serving. This is detected by the comments you
make.

There are millions of analog receivers that work perfectly and all but
a few deluded radio insiders are perfectly happy with analog radio.
There are thousands of local AM and FM stations that serve their areas
well and they are still in business and hopefully will be for a long
time.

But your type, which is controlled by greed and convinced of their
superiority, both technical and intellectual, would put them out of
business in a microsecond if you could. You read statistics and
numbers looking for ways to exploit regardless of consequences and you
gloat when you think you’re proven right. But so many times you’re
wrong. You are pathetic.

Businesses are full of people like you. Superficial individuals who
convince themselves they’re doing good but the reality is they are
just serving themselves. I know people like you. You connive behind
closed doors and convince yourself of things and then pretend that the
world would be better off with what you just convinced yourself of.
But they are foolish and reckless and so are you.

No doubt you are sitting there snickering but inside you’re
uncomfortable because you are a victim of your selfishness and
shallowness.