The Ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio scheme provides little consumer
benefits. In fact, it destroys the character, versatility, variety
and utility that has been associated with AM Broadcasting since its
inception 100 years ago.

In any part of the country and with an inexpensive radio and internal
loop antenna you can find a variety of programming, local and national
news, weather, ethnic music, financial shows, political talk shows of
all types and tons of other stuff. It requires no more technology than
what you have in your house or car right now. Standard AM radios
easily pick up stations from nearby counties, cities, and towns making
listening even more versatile.

At night it gets even more interesting. Radio wave propagation through
the ionosphere gives the listener a constant variety of programming
from cities hundreds or even thousands of miles away all with the same
inexpensive radio. Nothing wrong here.

Now, along come some very dubious characters that call themselves
iBiquity (whatever that’s supposed to represent). This nefarious, for
profit, company convinces the Government and investors that they have
a better system (which is licensed by them and only them I might
add). This new system gives “FM quality” to AM radio they claim. But
what they don’t say is that it will totally destroy existing AM radio
as we know it. With strong-arm tactics and FCC blessing they go about
trying to force the broadcasting world to convert to their for-profit
system.

With this conversion consumers start to lose and big business wins.
Along with “FM quality” you lose the character and versatility that
comes with the elegant simplicity of AM radio that has served people
so well for so long. Gone will be the days of hearing stations the
next city or state over. Gone will be the day of using an inexpensive
radio to get local news and weather. What you will have is a
relatively expensive clunky digital radio system that is lucky to
receive stations 20 miles away with any consistency that is designed
to eventually squeeze out any local stations. And forget about FM
quality – it’s just not there in spite of what iBiquity claims.

AM radio still retains some of the character we are all losing in this
so-called high tech society. To allow a for-profit company like
iBiquity steal it away is a crime. For a government agency to allow
this to happen is absolutely criminal.

AM radio still retains some of the character we are all losing in this
so-called high tech society. To allow a for-profit company like
iBiquity steal it away is a crime. For a government agency to allow
this to happen is absolutely criminal.

Perhaps a class-action lawsuit against iBiquity and the FCC? After all,
what they are doing could be considered in violation of anti-trust law.
They're taking our publicly owned spectrum and selling it back to us.

On Oct 12, 7:38�pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
AM radio still retains some of the character we are all losing in this
so-called high tech society. �To allow a for-profit company like
iBiquity steal it away is a crime. �For a government agency to allow
this to happen is absolutely criminal.

Perhaps a class-action lawsuit against iBiquity and the FCC? �After all,
what they are doing could be considered in violation of anti-trust law.
They're taking our publicly owned spectrum and selling it back to us.

"Court Finds FCC Violated Administrative Procedure Act in BPL
Decision"

"After reading the decision, General Counsel Imlay observed, 'The
decision of the Court of Appeals, though long in coming, was well
worth the wait. It is obvious that the FCC was overzealous in its
advocacy of BPL, and that resulted in a rather blatant cover-up of the
technical facts surrounding its interference potential.'"

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/?nc=1

The ARRL put a stop to the FCC and BPL interference to their radios -
perhaps, non-HD broadcasters and the general public should file a
class-action suit against iBiquity/NAB/HD Alliance/FCC. What the Hell
are broadcasters waiting for?

In article
,
KaitoWRX911 wrote:

On Oct 12, 7:38?pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
AM radio still retains some of the character we are all losing in this
so-called high tech society. ?To allow a for-profit company like
iBiquity steal it away is a crime. ?For a government agency to allow
this to happen is absolutely criminal.

Perhaps a class-action lawsuit against iBiquity and the FCC? ?After all,
what they are doing could be considered in violation of anti-trust law.
They're taking our publicly owned spectrum and selling it back to us.

"Court Finds FCC Violated Administrative Procedure Act in BPL
Decision"

"After reading the decision, General Counsel Imlay observed, 'The
decision of the Court of Appeals, though long in coming, was well
worth the wait. It is obvious that the FCC was overzealous in its
advocacy of BPL, and that resulted in a rather blatant cover-up of the
technical facts surrounding its interference potential.'"

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/04/25/10064/?nc=1

That's an excellent example of being slapped upside the head with a
giant clue stick.

The ARRL put a stop to the FCC and BPL interference to their radios -
perhaps, non-HD broadcasters and the general public should file a
class-action suit against iBiquity/NAB/HD Alliance/FCC. What the Hell
are broadcasters waiting for?

Where do we sign up?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Oct 12, 7:38�pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
AM radio still retains some of the character we are all losing in this
so-called high tech society. �To allow a for-profit company like
iBiquity steal it away is a crime. �For a government agency to allow
this to happen is absolutely criminal.

Perhaps a class-action lawsuit against iBiquity and the FCC? �After all,
what they are doing could be considered in violation of anti-trust law.
They're taking our publicly owned spectrum and selling it back to us.

Anti-trust law violations would also apply with trying to force HD
radios into Satrad receivers.

On Oct 12, 7:44*pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Oct 12, 7:38 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

AM radio still retains some of the character we are all losing in this
so-called high tech society. To allow a for-profit company like
iBiquity steal it away is a crime. For a government agency to allow
this to happen is absolutely criminal.

Perhaps a class-action lawsuit against iBiquity and the FCC? After all,
what they are doing could be considered in violation of anti-trust law.
They're taking our publicly owned spectrum and selling it back to us.

Anti-trust law violations would also apply with trying to force HD
radios into Satrad receivers.

AM Hybrid Radio is akin to

giving out a mortgage to a guy with no job..

Setting up this house of cards will eventually come back &

Bite you in the ass..

Listening to " Apocalypse Financial Survival 2000 "N" on 7.415 , WBCQ

In article ,
Rfburns wrote:
With this conversion consumers start to lose and big business wins.
Along with “FM quality” you lose the character and versatility that
comes with the elegant simplicity of AM radio that has served people
so well for so long. Gone will be the days of hearing stations the
next city or state over. Gone will be the day of using an inexpensive
radio to get local news and weather. What you will have is a
relatively expensive clunky digital radio system that is lucky to
receive stations 20 miles away with any consistency that is designed
to eventually squeeze out any local stations. And forget about FM
quality – it’s just not there in spite of what iBiquity claims.

Well, a couple of nights ago, I did a band scan to see how badly
IBOC was ****ing* on the AM band. I only heard four signals, two of
which were local (Seattle).

Looks like the West Coast AM broadcasters realize it's a suicide
pact.

*(That's what it sounds like, to me).

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Well, a couple of nights ago, I did a band scan to see how badly
IBOC was ****ing* on the AM band. I only heard four signals, two of
which were local (Seattle).

DX-ing is something which adds no value to the broadcasts or broadcasters
and has never been a reliable source of listening outside of it's protected
contours.

If someone wants to try to retain the ability to DX....and will do so at the
expense of fidelity....then it's a losing battle.

99% of all listeneing is done within the stations protected contours and
those listeners will recieve the benefit of added fidelity and fuctionality.

They argument that it affects DX is not a valid point.

In article ,
Radio Ronn lq6dpvk02-at-sneakemail.com wrote:

Well, a couple of nights ago, I did a band scan to see how badly
IBOC was ****ing* on the AM band. I only heard four signals, two of
which were local (Seattle).

DX-ing is something which adds no value to the broadcasts or broadcasters
and has never been a reliable source of listening outside of it's protected
contours.

If someone wants to try to retain the ability to DX....and will do so at the
expense of fidelity....then it's a losing battle.

99% of all listeneing is done within the stations protected contours and
those listeners will recieve the benefit of added fidelity and fuctionality.

They argument that it affects DX is not a valid point.

I'm not talking about DX.

Here's the suicide pact: A station goes for IBOC, and all the stations
adjacent to it get the outer fringes of their service area cropped off
because of the new interference. They can retaliate by turning on their
IBOC causing a reduction in service area for the first station.
Since the HD receivers are a flop, there's no gain in listeners, only
a possible reduction.

The big noise-talker in Sacramento (1540?) was ****ing on things up
here pretty good. And they've since quit.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Well, a couple of nights ago, I did a band scan to see how badly
IBOC was ****ing* on the AM band. I only heard four signals, two of
which were local (Seattle).

DX-ing is something which adds no value to the broadcasts or broadcasters
and has never been a reliable source of listening outside of it's
protected
contours.

Someone over on radio-info.com mentioned that WLS, I believe, used to
draw ratings in other states. I'm suspect some of the other old clears
used to do the same, before the FCC changed the rules in the 80s.

that was 25 years ago. those days are gone.

That's not the only argument. There are some pretty blatant examples
of real problems, such as WBZ affecting at least two stations inside
their protected contours, including KDKA.

Well since KDKA is owned by them, we'll see if they think it is enough of
an issue to do something about.

So far they haven't.

As far as the other station, it's a small 'rimshot' station that is trying
to reach a city it was not intended to do by design.