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Default This is the beginning of the end for "HD" radio!

From Tom Taylor's newsletter today:

What’s happening with Clear Channel and HD Radio? One T-R-I reader
says “check the website.”

Actually, what Fred Stiening of StreamingRadioGuide.com really says
is
– you can no longer tell from a CC station website what they’re
offering on their HD-2 or HD-3 signals. Is that good for HD? Here’s
his take – “Clear Channel was probably the most aggressive company
trying to raise consumer awareness of HD Radio to achieve critical
mass for the technology. But about two months ago, Clear Channel
restructured their entire HD lineup. Originally, each station's
website had the HD streams identified with that station and city
(although they were mostly just selected from a group of genres, all
playing the same preprogrammed music with computers). But at least
they made the pretense of localism. Now, if you visit the HD radio
station of a Clear Channel web site, it just lists a selection of
national simulcast streams, most of which have no correlation with
the
station's own audience - with no identification of which stream is
even carried on that specific radio station's real HD channel. For
example, here's the site for WMMS, Cleveland. As a result, for
StreamingRadioGuide.com, I've stopped classifying HD2/HD3 channels by
genre for Clear Channel's stations.” Stiening’s site is very handy,
by the way – topline, he shows that 43% of the 15,320 stations in his
universe are streaming, and he breaks down streaming by formats.
Check
it here.

(SOURCE: http://boards.radio-info.com/newslet...-12152008.html)

ANALYSIS: This is the beginning of the end for "HD" radio. If Clear
Channel isn't even bothering to put accurate info about their HD-2
and
-3 streams on their station websites, why would they spend millions
on
new transmitters they'd need for a tenfold increase in the power of
their FM IBOC side channels?

Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital Partners, the two private
equity outfits that bought Clear Channel this year, have plenty of
other financial worries. Okaying a major capital expeniture for
something with a a proven lack of consumer appeal is low on their "to
do" list, if it appears at all.

"HD" radio has been on life support along. You might say it's the
Terry Schiavo of technologies. It has absolutely no chance of
surviving on its own.

But if Clear Channel executives are too blind to pull the plug on
this
hopeless case, it looks like the "invisible hand" of the market,
acting through Lee and Bain, will do it for them.

Hey - better concentrate on those third-world countries that don't
know any better! LMFAO!!!
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I Gotta laugh at this one.

Bob “The Booble” Struble told me in an email a few months back that
the reason HD radios were at discount and clearance prices was because
retailers were making room for, as he put it, “New HD Radio
products”. This is so cool. Christmas time is here and there’s
nothing on the shelves.

HD radio is unraveling before our very eyes. You gotta love it

Merry Xmas Struble
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With the growth of satellite radio and internet options, there really
isn't a need for HD radio. And I would think advertisers would be
against HD radio also, gives people even more opportunity to tune off
a station when a commercial is running.
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- On Dec 15, 3:29*pm, SC Dxing wrote:
- With the growth of satellite radio and internet options,
- there really isn't a need for HD radio. And I would think
- advertisers would be against HD radio also, gives people
- even more opportunity to tune off a station when a
- commercial is running.

SC DXing - That is very True US Consumer will :

#1 - Up-Grade their regular AM & FM Radios
with a new HD {AM & FM} Radio

-or- #2 - Buy something newer and better

Most Will Choose #2 -however- Should the FCC Mandate
the 'configuration' of All Digital or Satellit Read Radios :
Then HD {AM & FM} Radios will be in every New Car plus
any consumer buying a new Alarm {AM & FM} Clock Radio
will be Buying a new HD {AM & FM} Radio

The simple fact is People no longer BUY AM & FM Radios
in-of-and-by-themselves .

Without a FCC Mandate for All Digital HD {AM & FM} Radios
the Terrestrial AM & FM Radio Broadcasting Business is
Doomed to a Slow Un-Profitable Death ~ RHF
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In article
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BoobleStubble wrote:

From Tom Taylor's newsletter today:

What¹s happening with Clear Channel and HD Radio? One T-R-I reader
says ³check the website.²

Actually, what Fred Stiening of StreamingRadioGuide.com really says
is
* you can no longer tell from a CC station website what they¹re
offering on their HD-2 or HD-3 signals. Is that good for HD?


SNIP

I was listening to a distant station this past weekend. Reception was
very good. Then sunrise came and the noise makers turned on and covered
it up. So much for that.

HD is working real good.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


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On Dec 15, 8:14*pm, RHF wrote:

Without a FCC Mandate for All Digital HD {AM & FM} Radios
the Terrestrial AM & FM Radio Broadcasting Business is
Doomed to a Slow Un-Profitable Death ~ RHF


I hope the FCC doesn't mandate it. Let the consumer decide.
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Telamon wrote:

I was listening to a distant station this past weekend. Reception was
very good. Then sunrise came and the noise makers turned on and covered
it up. So much for that.

HD is working real good.


Yes, HD is a noise generator, but...

....I'm sure you realize that as the sun comes up, ionospheric absorption
increases and the sky wave that you were using to listen to the "distant
station" disappears anyway, with or without HD.

The sunrise itself seems to be a more likely explanation for your loss
of signal rather than HD noise .

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"SC Dxing" wrote in message
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With the growth of satellite radio and internet options, there really
isn't a need for HD radio. And I would think advertisers would be
against HD radio also, gives people even more opportunity to tune off
a station when a commercial is running.


Satellite radio is growing so much that the two companies had to merge to
survive, after losing over $10 billion since they launched. Subscriber churn
is producing a net loss in subscribers this year, while new installs have
slowed to nearly nothing due to the lack of new car sales.

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On Dec 16, 12:01 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"SC Dxing" wrote in message

...

With the growth of satellite radio and internet options, there really
isn't a need for HD radio. And I would think advertisers would be
against HD radio also, gives people even more opportunity to tune off
a station when a commercial is running.


Satellite radio is growing so much that the two companies had to merge to
survive, after losing over $10 billion since they launched. Subscriber churn
is producing a net loss in subscribers this year, while new installs have
slowed to nearly nothing due to the lack of new car sales.


And I'm sure it's because consumers have turned off their satellite
radios and discovered exciting HD RADIO!!!
Man, this has been a great year for HD radio. Can't wait for the
inflated sales figures.
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On Dec 16, 12:01*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Satellite radio is growing so much that the two companies had to merge to
survive, after losing over $10 billion since they launched. Subscriber churn
is producing a net loss in subscribers this year, while new installs have
slowed to nearly nothing due to the lack of new car sales.


http://www.todaysfinancialnews.com/u...nity-5671.html

They claim the subscriber base is growing but at a slower rate and
it's certainly losing a ton of money. The share price is down to 15
cents, so you are probably right that's it is going down the drain.
They are indeed in trouble in the US. I think Satellite radio in
Europe is much more solid financially.

So thanks for the information..... Cheers
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