Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats.

Then why are they moving to FM? It's because their revenues are crashing on
AM because the salable age groups, under 55, don't listen to AM much. AM is
dead for those under 50.

Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim.

Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant. WLW's
day signal covers the metro and some distance beyond, but the revenue only
comes from the metro.

Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The moves are being done by buying and reprogramming an FM, or reprogramming
one already owned. It's quite simple.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 2:59*pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



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If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

*Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.

There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

"It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a
bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for
narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD. "

"Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror"

- "We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM...
- If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had
- complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the
radio
- industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio
- stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency.
Do
- the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out
of
- business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify
- advertising."

OK so an Over-Populated Market would become
de-populated and the Local Business Advertising
Model would 'adjust' to a potentially more profitable
enterprise.

sounds like progress in the right direction ~ RHF


http://tinyurl.moc/6omhpv

"Radio: The U.K.'s Digital death notice"

"Ferrara came out of hiding this week to fallaciously proclaim that HD
radio-only stations – those that you can hear only on an HD Radio
receiver - are writing business and making money... Reality check: HD
Radio isn’t going to bill anything – period."

http://tinyurl.moc/33mtuo

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:37�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008
."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

You really expect an opinion in favor of HD by a direct competitor of
terrestrial radio? The link you have posted goes to a site run by a
proponent of cellular programming delivery. They hate radio.

The HD Radio farce is up, Eduardo - 75+ countries have visited my
blog, including iBiquity investors, automakers, retailers,
manufacturers, the FCC, DOJ, US Courts, Congress, Congressional
Quarterly, consumer groups, radio groups, Government Agencies, radio
consultants, and of course CCU out of Austin. Here's the link to my
Google Analytics summary:

http://tinyurl.com/9365ho

I could only include 500, out of the 2,500 network locations:

http://tinyurl.com/a6mmdn

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 7:51 pm, Dave wrote:





David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
....
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats.

Then why are they moving to FM? It's because their revenues are crashing on
AM because the salable age groups, under 55, don't listen to AM much. AM is
dead for those under 50.

Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim.

Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant. WLW's
day signal covers the metro and some distance beyond, but the revenue only
comes from the metro.

Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The moves are being done by buying and reprogramming an FM, or reprogramming
one already owned. It's quite simple.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh - Arbitron has visited 4 times...

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On Dec 20, 4:23*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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What about iBiquity? *Are they not deeply in dept? *It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. *With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. *There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. *Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. *I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. *Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

OK,

Convince the Saudis to Finance a Islamic 24/7 Koran
Reading and Preaching Nation-Wide HD-2 FM Radio
Network and you will have a HD-Radio Gold Mine : With
every Mosque promoting HD-Radio to the True Believers.

allah is good and even better on hd2-radio ~ RHF

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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75+ countries have visited my
blog, including iBiquity investors, automakers, retailers,
manufacturers, the FCC, DOJ, US Courts, Congress, Congressional
Quarterly, consumer groups, radio groups, Government Agencies, radio
consultants, and of course CCU out of Austin. Here's the link to my
Google Analytics summary:

I can visit Hugo Chavez' presidential website, but that does not mean I even
remotely like what Chavez says.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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Oh - Arbitron has visited 4 times...

So? Arbitron has nothing to do with whether HD succeeds, is liked or
disliked.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"RHF" wrote in message
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Convince the Saudis to Finance a Islamic 24/7 Koran
Reading and Preaching Nation-Wide HD-2 FM Radio
Network and you will have a HD-Radio Gold Mine : With
every Mosque promoting HD-Radio to the True Believers.

Except for the Saudi part, that is not a bad idea. Using the multiple
potential channels of HD (HD 2, HD3, etc) for such smaller constituencies is
an excellent idea. There are Koran reading stations all over the Arab world,
and it would be much used by US Muslims. Obviously, it could not be
commercial but could be listener financed.

In a way, the Hindi channel on HD-2's in many cities is comparable. And both
represent the potential and real use of HD

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:32 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

....

What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008

"There was continued top-down advocacy of HD Radio from David Rehr,
but little support from attendees, and even small signs of revolt on
the subject. It was good to see the clear disconnect on this issue, as
it is forcing radio’s leaders to look more diligently toward viable
solutions that fit the demands of today’s consumer, rather than
depending on a delegated entity to secure radio’s longevity."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

wrote in message
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I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one, which is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended, too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman and a
couple of other guest presenters.