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WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
On Dec 27, 11:44�pm, Mike wrote:
On Dec 27, 11:30 pm, (Theo) wrote: I read where our local WBAP 820 dropped the IBOC. Maybe that explains why reception of WBAP, here in KY, suddenly seems better! Wishing that they'd all turn IBOC off, Mike Here is a good site to keep traack of current AM-HD stations: http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html HD Radio is slowly failing and I'm guessing that more-and-more stations will be slowly turning off IBOC. This is the end of the year, and licenisng renewals are probably up for renewal. Let's see ****ball Struble spin this, when stations stop renewing their HD licenses. |
WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
"Mike" wrote in message ... Salty, Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but sure, death of MW IBOC! What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and listening levels are declining faster than ever. |
WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
On Dec 28, 10:27�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... Salty, Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but sure, death of MW IBOC! What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and listening levels are declining faster than ever. "News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio..." http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm Many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked in the top-5, and some are #1, as with WLW. The FMs are just jealous! LOL! |
IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing BeDamned !
On Dec 28, 6:54*am, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 27, 11:10 pm, " wrote: On Dec 27, 7:20 pm, Mike wrote: I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830- Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the annoying IBOC trash. Way to go! You might want to drop WCCO and KOA a note about how you like your DX back again. I always suspected IBOC was there to destroy the distant stations to protect the local market. "Editorial on the recent approval of HD Radio (IBOC) in the USA" - "The reason the big boys in the big markets - are so pro-IBOC is because they like the hash - as it wipes out distant signals getting into their - market. PocketRadio - Oh did that Light Bulb just go 'ON'. Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Radio Market and Noises-Out the Distant Radio Stations. - There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash - wipes the signal out, then the locals will have to - listen to their local station. PocketRadio - Dang that Light Bulb just went 'ON' again. Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Market and Noises Out the Distant Radio Stations. - Kind of like legal jamming. Considering that, then - even if the public does not buy the radios, keeping - the IBOC signal might be worth their while." All Radio Advertising is 'local' as with Politics their may be National and Regional Buys -but- The Target is the "Local" Radio Listener. CCRadios may be a National Advertiser on C2C AM -but- It is a "Local" Advertiser on each of the 500+ 'Local' Radio Stations which rebroadcast the ADZ. - http://www.am-dx.com/amiboc.htm - - Yup! With HD Radio receiver sales still in the - toilet, there is no ROI for HD Radio, but the - empty digital saddlebags continue to jam, - which was IBOC's design from the beginning. PocketRadio - That's Three Light Bulb in a Day : You are Doing Good and Catching On but, But. BUT ! All this only really applies to AM/MW and the Real Intent of IBOC "HD-Radio" is FM Radio Stations and HD-2 Secondary Broadcasting Channels and Additional Income Streams from the One Radio Station License. Plus remember with rare exceptions there is 'No' DX in the FM Radio Band like there is almost every Night in the AM/MW Radio Band : So FM Radio always has be a Local Only Media Marketing System. FM IBOC is just another level of insurance that it remains that way. Like It Or Not IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing Be Damned ! ~ RHF |
WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
On Dec 28, 5:44*am, Dave wrote:
wrote: Mike wrote: I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830- Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the annoying IBOC trash. WCCO 830 is available 24X7 in pure digital herehttp://www.wccoradio.com WHAS 840 is available 24X7 in pure digital herehttp://www.whas.com KOA 850 is available 24X7 in pure digital herehttp://www.850koa.com/pages/ondemand.html If you have a HiFi receiver with a Ethernet port connected to a broadband Internet connection you can listen to the above stations as well as any of the thousands of AM, FM and SW stations available on Internet radio in pure digital stereo audio bliss any time of day every day of the week. *You can listen to all of the above and more for less than what you would pay for a used Drake R8! - You do realize that the programming on web streams - is different than the over-the-air programming. Dave - Then why do they call it "Listen Live" or "Live Streaming" ? ~ RHF |
IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing BeDamned !
On Dec 28, 12:07*pm, RHF wrote:
On Dec 28, 6:54*am, PocketRadio wrote: On Dec 27, 11:10 pm, " wrote: On Dec 27, 7:20 pm, Mike wrote: I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830- Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the annoying IBOC trash. Way to go! You might want to drop WCCO and KOA a note about how you like your DX back again. I always suspected IBOC was there to destroy the distant stations to protect the local market. "Editorial on the recent approval of HD Radio (IBOC) in the USA" - "The reason the big boys in the big markets - are so pro-IBOC is because they like the hash - as it wipes out distant signals getting into their - market. PocketRadio - Oh did that Light Bulb just go 'ON'. Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Radio Market and Noises-Out the Distant Radio Stations. - There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash - wipes the signal out, then the locals will have to - listen to their local station. PocketRadio - Dang that Light Bulb just went 'ON' again. *Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Market and Noises Out the Distant Radio Stations. - Kind of like legal jamming. Considering that, then - even if the public does not buy the radios, keeping - the IBOC signal might be worth their while." All Radio Advertising is 'local' as with Politics their may be National and Regional Buys -but- The Target is the "Local" Radio Listener. CCRadios may be a National Advertiser on C2C AM -but- It is a "Local" Advertiser on each of the 500+ 'Local' Radio Stations which rebroadcast the ADZ. -http://www.am-dx.com/amiboc.htm - - Yup! With HD Radio receiver sales still in the - toilet, there is no ROI for HD Radio, but the - empty digital saddlebags continue to jam, - which was IBOC's design from the beginning. PocketRadio - That's Three Light Bulb in a Day : You are Doing Good and Catching On but, But. BUT ! All this only really applies to AM/MW and the Real Intent of IBOC "HD-Radio" is FM Radio Stations and HD-2 Secondary Broadcasting Channels and Additional Income Streams from the One Radio Station License. Plus remember with rare exceptions there is 'No' DX in the FM Radio Band like there is almost every Night in the AM/MW Radio Band : So FM Radio always has be a Local Only Media Marketing System. *FM IBOC is just another level of insurance that it remains that way. Like It Or Not IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing Be Damned ! ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "All this only really applies to AM/MW and the Real Intent of IBOC "HD-Radio" is FM Radio Stations and HD-2 Secondary Broadcasting Channels and Additional Income Streams from the One Radio Station License." "Addressing The Long Tail: HD2s and HD3s for Fun and Profit" "Analog radio cannot effectively serve The Long Tail. Broadcasters have had huge success addressing the 80% with widely popular mass market content pushed through our loud speakers. But our economic structure won’t let us take advantage of the few consumers who like reggae or death metal or comedy or mommy talk. You simply cannot program niche formats on analog stations and make the numbers work – listenership and revenue potential are too low to cover capital and operating costs... So go ahead, grab that Long Tail. It will help your station, and help the industry." http://tinyurl.com/66jb9s "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 "Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror" "We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM... If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the radio industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency. Do the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out of business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify advertising." http://tinyurl.com/6omhpv Oh, really? Looks like HD Radio's business-models is broken - LOL! |
IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing BeDamned !
On Dec 28, 12:07�pm, RHF wrote:
On Dec 28, 6:54�am, PocketRadio wrote: On Dec 27, 11:10 pm, " wrote: On Dec 27, 7:20 pm, Mike wrote: I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830- Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the annoying IBOC trash. Way to go! You might want to drop WCCO and KOA a note about how you like your DX back again. I always suspected IBOC was there to destroy the distant stations to protect the local market. "Editorial on the recent approval of HD Radio (IBOC) in the USA" - "The reason the big boys in the big markets - are so pro-IBOC is because they like the hash - as it wipes out distant signals getting into their - market. PocketRadio - Oh did that Light Bulb just go 'ON'. Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Radio Market and Noises-Out the Distant Radio Stations. - There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash - wipes the signal out, then the locals will have to - listen to their local station. PocketRadio - Dang that Light Bulb just went 'ON' again. �Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Market and Noises Out the Distant Radio Stations. - Kind of like legal jamming. Considering that, then - even if the public does not buy the radios, keeping - the IBOC signal might be worth their while." All Radio Advertising is 'local' as with Politics their may be National and Regional Buys -but- The Target is the "Local" Radio Listener. CCRadios may be a National Advertiser on C2C AM -but- It is a "Local" Advertiser on each of the 500+ 'Local' Radio Stations which rebroadcast the ADZ. -http://www.am-dx.com/amiboc.htm - - Yup! With HD Radio receiver sales still in the - toilet, there is no ROI for HD Radio, but the - empty digital saddlebags continue to jam, - which was IBOC's design from the beginning. PocketRadio - That's Three Light Bulb in a Day : You are Doing Good and Catching On but, But. BUT ! All this only really applies to AM/MW and the Real Intent of IBOC "HD-Radio" is FM Radio Stations and HD-2 Secondary Broadcasting Channels and Additional Income Streams from the One Radio Station License. Plus remember with rare exceptions there is 'No' DX in the FM Radio Band like there is almost every Night in the AM/MW Radio Band : So FM Radio always has be a Local Only Media Marketing System. �FM IBOC is just another level of insurance that it remains that way. Like It Or Not IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing Be Damned ! ~ RHF �.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Funny thing - Struble is Harvard-bred: "Robert J. Struble, President and CEO" "Bob earned his Bachelor's Degree in Chemical Engineering from MIT where he was elected into the Tau Beta Pi and Sigma Xi engineering honor societies, and an MBA from Harvard, where he graduated with high distinction as a Baker Scholar." http://tinyurl.com/5jjujj I guess, that he dosn't read the Harvard Business Review, or maybe he knows he's lying - wonder which? LOL! |
IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing BeDamned !
On Dec 28, 12:07*pm, RHF wrote:
On Dec 28, 6:54*am, PocketRadio wrote: On Dec 27, 11:10 pm, " wrote: On Dec 27, 7:20 pm, Mike wrote: I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830- Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the annoying IBOC trash. Way to go! You might want to drop WCCO and KOA a note about how you like your DX back again. I always suspected IBOC was there to destroy the distant stations to protect the local market. "Editorial on the recent approval of HD Radio (IBOC) in the USA" - "The reason the big boys in the big markets - are so pro-IBOC is because they like the hash - as it wipes out distant signals getting into their - market. PocketRadio - Oh did that Light Bulb just go 'ON'. Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Radio Market and Noises-Out the Distant Radio Stations. - There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash - wipes the signal out, then the locals will have to - listen to their local station. PocketRadio - Dang that Light Bulb just went 'ON' again. *Yes IBOC helps to insure a Local Market and Noises Out the Distant Radio Stations. - Kind of like legal jamming. Considering that, then - even if the public does not buy the radios, keeping - the IBOC signal might be worth their while." All Radio Advertising is 'local' as with Politics their may be National and Regional Buys -but- The Target is the "Local" Radio Listener. CCRadios may be a National Advertiser on C2C AM -but- It is a "Local" Advertiser on each of the 500+ 'Local' Radio Stations which rebroadcast the ADZ. -http://www.am-dx.com/amiboc.htm - - Yup! With HD Radio receiver sales still in the - toilet, there is no ROI for HD Radio, but the - empty digital saddlebags continue to jam, - which was IBOC's design from the beginning. PocketRadio - That's Three Light Bulb in a Day : You are Doing Good and Catching On but, But. BUT ! All this only really applies to AM/MW and the Real Intent of IBOC "HD-Radio" is FM Radio Stations and HD-2 Secondary Broadcasting Channels and Additional Income Streams from the One Radio Station License. Plus remember with rare exceptions there is 'No' DX in the FM Radio Band like there is almost every Night in the AM/MW Radio Band : So FM Radio always has be a Local Only Media Marketing System. *FM IBOC is just another level of insurance that it remains that way. Like It Or Not IBOC : It's All About 'Local' Radio Marketing System and DXing Be Damned ! ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" November 2008 "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. The www.iHeartMusic.com website seems to only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site... Really, the next round of budget cuts--out of necessity--is likely going to be HD Radio equipment and licensing renewals. It has cost broadcasters money that so far has not generated ROI. This CC Radio news above, along with the rumors that Citadel has told Engineering not to fix any broken HD transmitters on AM, may be the tip of the iceberg." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html Why do you think CCU's Format Lab has been a failure - well, DAH! |
WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 28, 10:27�am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Salty, Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but sure, death of MW IBOC! What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and listening levels are declining faster than ever. "News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion" Only if it moves to FM. "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio..." Hmm. Let's look at the average persons listening to radio in LA in 1998 and 2008 for all AMs and all FMs. FM in 2008: 1,089,000 persons. In 1998: 1,116,000 persons. A difference of only 26,000 persons against about 1.1 million AM in 2008: 250,000 average persons. In 1998, 305,000 persons... about 17%. AM in 1998 had a 17 share of LA listening, now it has a 15 share. FM is flat at 62%. In 25-54, AM has a 12 share. In 18-34, AM has a 5 share... 19 out of 20 listeners are not on AM any more. And LA does better than most markets, where 25-54 AM shares are below a 10. Many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked in the top-5, and some are #1, as with WLW. The FMs are just jealous! LOL! There are no FMs jelous of stations that have most of their listenership among listeners over 55. Advertisers want listeners between 18 and 54 or 18 and 49, not over 55. There is no ad money for the older listeners that predominante on FM. The figures you constantly mention are for listeners 12+ to death, while advertisers only want narrow adult demos, over 18 and below 55. This is why more and more AM news/talk formats are moving to FM or starting an FM simulcast... because only on FM can they reach the under-55 listeners they so badly need to survive. |
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