WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

On Dec 28, 8:36 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
wrote in message

...

I agree with your assessment of what David thinks, though not your
opinion of the person. He is 100% commercially driven, and the "book"
is everything in the commercial market.

That's because AM radio is a *business*. These stations aren't being run
as a hobby, by people who "love AM radio". They are simply trying to turn
a profit for shareholders. Just like any other business.

They don't care that a few hundred people sometimes catch their signal
hundreds of miles away, when the listener points his antenna in the right
direction, twiddles some knobs in the right direction and the conditions are
good. That is not what they are in business for.

So.......I guess you're say that hd radio will save them? Really?

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

In article , m II wrote:

Mike wrote:

I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it
appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at
least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their
nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been
a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830-
Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the
annoying IBOC trash.

Way to go!

KFBK (1530 Sacramento) seems to be using the 'system'. Anyone close by
having any problems? I'm not getting any more noise than normal on
either side of the frequency, but it's a few thousand miles away.

Believe it or not it screws up KVTA 1520 at night. Most nights I get to
hear the bacon frying IBOC sound under the local station about 12 miles
away from me running 1 KW.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

In article ,
Dave wrote:

m II wrote:
Mike wrote:

I generally avoid the IBOC discussions in this newsgroup, but it
appears that another 50 kW clear channel station has turned it off, at
least at night. WHAS (840 kHz) in Louisville, KY, has had their
nighttime IBOC turned off for at least the last three days. It's been
a great Christmas surprise to be able to clearly receive WCCO (830-
Minneapolis) and KOA (850-Denver) without having to tune out the
annoying IBOC trash.

Way to go!

KFBK (1530 Sacramento) seems to be using the 'system'. Anyone close by
having any problems? I'm not getting any more noise than normal on
either side of the frequency, but it's a few thousand miles away.


Like KNX, KFBK has mild selective fading here. Whenever the fade occurs
the wubba-wubba-wubba-wubba sound comes up. You never used to notice
the slight fades, now they can't be ignored. I suspect this is true of
all AM IBOC stations farther than 30 or 40 miles from the towers.

I get that on at least KOGO, KABC, and KNX.

I can't listen to any station running IBOC using sideband selectable
sync as it generates all kinds of noise and distortion. Usually passband
tuning has to be centered and tuning it off center to pickup the higher
audio frequencies is just makes the station sound worse.

IBOC sucks big time.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

wrote in message
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The problem with your analysis is you don't factor out NPR. NPR is a
big deal in FM. If they were commercial, many NPRs would be number
one. Few NPR stations are AM.

I don't factor out NPR, as they are FM and I am discussing AM. NPR stations
are in the ratings, with the best example being KQED in SF which beats KGO
handily in 25-54.

Even you, Mr. Commercial Radio, tune into KCRW. Come on, you can tell
me. Nobody is reading this.... ;-)

I've never listened to KCRW, don't even know it's dial position. In general,
I find the NPR stuff pompous and self-aggrandizing.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

AM listening in the Ventura market is now down to 5.4% of listening, off 20%
in the last two years alone. There is nothing there to even think about
moving to FM, as none of them are successful.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

wrote in message
...
On Dec 28, 8:36 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
wrote in message

...

I agree with your assessment of what David thinks, though not your
opinion of the person. He is 100% commercially driven, and the "book"
is everything in the commercial market.

That's because AM radio is a *business*. These stations aren't being
run
as a hobby, by people who "love AM radio". They are simply trying to
turn
a profit for shareholders. Just like any other business.

They don't care that a few hundred people sometimes catch their signal
hundreds of miles away, when the listener points his antenna in the right
direction, twiddles some knobs in the right direction and the conditions
are
good. That is not what they are in business for.

So.......I guess you're say that hd radio will save them? Really?

Now that PPM measurement is rolling out, nothing will save them.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

The problem with your analysis is you don't factor out NPR. NPR is a
big deal in FM. If they were commercial, many NPRs would be number
one. Few NPR stations are AM.

I don't factor out NPR, as they are FM and I am discussing AM. NPR
stations are in the ratings, with the best example being KQED in SF which
beats KGO handily in 25-54.

Even you, Mr. Commercial Radio, tune into KCRW. Come on, you can tell
me. Nobody is reading this.... ;-)

I've never listened to KCRW, don't even know it's dial position. In
general, I find the NPR stuff pompous and self-aggrandizing.

LOL.. Pot, kettle..

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

It's a lack of imagination. Every Clear Channel AM News Talker sounds
like any other, sounds like any other Citadel AM News Talker, sounds
like any other Emmis AM News Talker, sounds like every CBS News Talker
(we have 2 here KNX and KFWB fon't ask me why). There is no variety to
speak of. The only new thing on the AM is Progressive Talk and that
gets a decent audience in towns where they have a competitive signal and
don't share the time with Hockey or Women's Basketball.

AM used to sound good, before digital tuners and 4 kHz ceramic filters,
and finally IBOC. You used to be able to transmit music and make it
sound good. Now the corporations are clueless, as usual.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

David Eduardo wrote:

wrote in message
...

The problem with your analysis is you don't factor out NPR. NPR is a
big deal in FM. If they were commercial, many NPRs would be number
one. Few NPR stations are AM.

I don't factor out NPR, as they are FM and I am discussing AM. NPR
stations are in the ratings, with the best example being KQED in SF
which beats KGO handily in 25-54.

Even you, Mr. Commercial Radio, tune into KCRW. Come on, you can tell
me. Nobody is reading this.... ;-)

I've never listened to KCRW, don't even know it's dial position. In
general, I find the NPR stuff pompous and self-aggrandizing.

KCRW is primarily a music station w/ NPR News and self-produced public
affairs. They run Morning Edition, a local Public Affairs show at Noon.
News features until 4. ATC until 7. More PA until 8. The rest is music.

They serve the local community quite well, and the fact that you never
listen is painfully obvious.

They are at various dial positions, depending on where you are. The
main signal from the K-JOY tower is on 89.9 MHz.