WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

"RHF" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 5:44 am, Dave wrote:

If you have a HiFi receiver with a Ethernet port connected to a
broadband Internet connection you can listen to the above stations as
well as any of the thousands of AM, FM and SW stations available on
Internet radio in pure digital stereo audio bliss any time of day
every day of the week. You can listen to all of the above and more
for less than what you would pay for a used Drake R8!

- You do realize that the programming on web streams
- is different than the over-the-air programming.

Dave - Then why do they call it "Listen Live"
or "Live Streaming" ? ~ RHF

He does not understand that the only differences are some of the
commercials.

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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"The reason the big boys in the big markets are so pro-IBOC is because
they like the hash as it wipes out distant signals getting into their
market. There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash wipes the
signal out, then the locals will have to listen to their local
station.

There were no first adjacent AMs making the ratings in any of the "big
markets" to begin with. So what is to gain by stopping something that is not
occurring?

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 10:27�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

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Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

Only if it moves to FM.

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

Hmm. Let's look at the average persons listening to radio in LA in 1998 and
2008 for all AMs and all FMs.

You look at 'em boy! The rest of us just want to listen to the radio without
your damn IBOC QRM.

Here's a New Year's Resolution for you: Give up the faux Hispanic shtick!

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in
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What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening levels are declining faster than ever.

Well, that's funny. I turn on my DX-440 at night, and the AM band is just
as populated as any time I remember. I think you are in denial. These
stations wouldn't be on the air if nobody was listening, would they?

Face it. AM listeners don't need IBOC because they are perfectly happy with
what already exists - a signal that can be listened to with 1920s
technology. It's looking more and more like IBOC was a putup deal with a
corrupt FCC Commissioner, and somewhere down the road, the investigating
body is going to start asking questions about where the money came from.
You wouldn't want to be named then, would you?

IBOC is dying a slow, contracted, but well deserved death. Nobody wanted it
to start with, as sales of receivers will testify.

As a BCB Dxer, I will throw a party the day the last one is shut down.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

On Dec 28, 12:01*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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"The reason the big boys in the big markets are so pro-IBOC is because
they like the hash as it wipes out distant signals getting into their
market. There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash wipes the
signal out, then the locals will have to listen to their local
station.

There were no first adjacent AMs making the ratings in any of the "big
markets" to begin with. So what is to gain by stopping something that is not
occurring?

The "book" be damned. I'm sure in rural areas, vendors get feedback
about where their spots reach via sales, and sales in the store is
what motivates them. So you sell farm machinery in Fresno and some
customer from the boonies tells you he heard your spot on KMJ, who ya
gonna believe? The "book" or your customer?

IBOC is all about destroying distant radio stations.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

On Dec 28, 6:57*am, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 27, 11:28 pm, Mike wrote:



On Dec 27, 11:20 pm, " wrote:

I don't know if you want to let the former IBOC station (WHAS) know
that you appreciate listening to out of town stations. They might turn
the noise generator back on

You might be right. When WHAS first turned on IBOC, over a year ago, I
wrote them a series of letters and emails, begging them to turn the
IBOC off at least at night. They never responded, so it's hard to
estimate whether they had much impact.

On the other hand, I have noticed that at least two of the major
announcers on WHAS seemed aware of the DX community. I even heard one
of them bragging one Sunday morning about a reception report they had
received from above the Arctic Circle in Norway...

Mike
Louisville, KY

****balls like Eduardo keep emphasizing that if one in not within the
protect contour, then one doesn't count - this is the type of
arrogance that is leading to the decline in the industry.

I agree with your assessment of what David thinks, though not your
opinion of the person. He is 100% commercially driven, and the "book"
is everything in the commercial market.

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On Dec 28, 11:57*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Dec 28, 10:27 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

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Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

Only if it moves to FM.

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio..."

Hmm. Let's look at the average persons listening to radio in LA in 1998 and
2008 for all AMs and all FMs.

FM in 2008: 1,089,000 persons. In 1998: 1,116,000 persons. A difference of
only 26,000 persons against about 1.1 million
AM in 2008: 250,000 average persons. In 1998, 305,000 persons... about 17%.

AM in 1998 had a 17 share of LA listening, now it has a 15 share. FM is flat
at 62%. In 25-54, AM has a 12 share. In 18-34, AM has a 5 share... 19 out of
20 listeners are not on AM any more. And LA does better than most markets,
where 25-54 AM shares are below a 10.

Many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked in the top-5, and some
are #1, as with WLW. The FMs are just jealous! LOL!

There are no FMs jelous of stations that have most of their listenership
among listeners over 55. Advertisers want listeners between 18 and 54 or 18
and 49, not over 55. There is no ad money for the older listeners that
predominante on FM.

The figures you constantly mention are for listeners 12+ to death, while
advertisers only want narrow adult demos, over 18 and below 55. This is why
more and more AM news/talk formats are moving to FM or starting an FM
simulcast... because only on FM can they reach the under-55 listeners they
so badly need to survive.

The problem with your analysis is you don't factor out NPR. NPR is a
big deal in FM. If they were commercial, many NPRs would be number
one. Few NPR stations are AM.

Even you, Mr. Commercial Radio, tune into KCRW. Come on, you can tell
me. Nobody is reading this.... ;-)

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On Dec 28, 3:01�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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"The reason the big boys in the big markets are so pro-IBOC is because
they like the hash as it wipes out distant signals getting into their
market. There is no way to stop skip, but if the IBOC hash wipes the
signal out, then the locals will have to listen to their local
station.

There were no first adjacent AMs making the ratings in any of the "big
markets" to begin with. So what is to gain by stopping something that is not
occurring?

Right - WLW is adjacent to WOR and is ranked #1.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

On Dec 28, 6:43�pm, elaich wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote :

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening levels are declining faster than ever.

Well, that's funny. I turn on my DX-440 at night, and the AM band is just
as populated as any time I remember. I think you are in denial. These
stations wouldn't be on the air if nobody was listening, would they?

Face it. AM listeners don't need IBOC because they are perfectly happy with
what already exists - a signal that can be listened to with 1920s
technology. It's looking more and more like IBOC was a putup deal with a
corrupt FCC Commissioner, and somewhere down the road, the investigating
body is going to start asking questions about where the money came from.
You wouldn't want to be named then, would you?

IBOC is dying a slow, contracted, but well deserved death. Nobody wanted it
to start with, as sales of receivers will testify.

As a BCB Dxer, I will throw a party the day the last one is shut down.

Eduardo poo-poos AM because AM-HD has been a failure.

WHAS-AM 840 - No More IBOC!
 

wrote in message
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I agree with your assessment of what David thinks, though not your
opinion of the person. He is 100% commercially driven, and the "book"
is everything in the commercial market.

That's because AM radio is a *business*. These stations aren't being run
as a hobby, by people who "love AM radio". They are simply trying to turn
a profit for shareholders. Just like any other business.

They don't care that a few hundred people sometimes catch their signal
hundreds of miles away, when the listener points his antenna in the right
direction, twiddles some knobs in the right direction and the conditions are
good. That is not what they are in business for.