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Old March 13th 09, 08:11 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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Default Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!

On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.


The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is
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"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny
fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If
the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete
with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD
is for significant players in significant markets.


the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets


Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't
that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way
- it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition".
Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the
10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio
jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC.
The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this
useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam
and that it is DOA.
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Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't
that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way
- it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition".
Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the
10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio
jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC.
The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this
useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam
and that it is DOA.

HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where
most of the population lives.

And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2
are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are
limited or not viable, either.

There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a
proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area...

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Default Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!

On Mar 13, 4:54�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't
that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way
- it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition".
Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the
10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio
jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC.
The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this
useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam
and that it is DOA.

HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where
most of the population lives.

And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2
are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are
limited or not viable, either.

There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a
proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area...


"FCC Allows Stealth HD Power Boosts"

"Although the Federal Communications Commission has deferred (for now)
any formal action on its inquiry into whether or not to allow
broadcast radio stations to increase the power of their digital ('HD')
sidebands by a factor of ten, the agency's employing the tried and
true method of 'creating facts on the ground' by allowing individual
stations (or station clusters) to individually apply for special
temporary authority to hike their HD power levels. This is taking
place even though radio's engineering community is deeply divided on
the issue of an HD sideband power increase. Comments filed by the
Prometheus Radio Project and Media Access Project (disclaimer: on
which I informally consulted) succinctly summarize the dispute. The
main question is: is it realistically possible use HD Radio as a tool
to improve the existing medium, or will HD intentionally degrade it so
that the spectrum's repurposement becomes inevitable - or, at the very
least, make its ownership more consolidated?"

http://tinyurl.com/6vlmoo

A power boost will be approved - even Struble says so, because he in
in bed with the FCC. Too bad, no one will be able to afford it. It has
also been reported on Radio-Info, that another station has secretly
been granted approval. Struble will want to degrade analog slowly, so
that no one notices, and just like WYSL, the FCC will ignore
interference complaints.
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Default Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses -LOL!

On Mar 13, 4:54�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't
that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way
- it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition".
Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the
10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio
jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC.
The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this
useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam
and that it is DOA.

HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where
most of the population lives.

And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2
are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are
limited or not viable, either.

There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a
proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area...


The RIAA already has over-the-air broadcast radio by the balls - the
royalties are eminent, so this will kill HD Radio - no listeners, no
ROI, only rising royalty payments. The FMs will have to flip to the
AMs' successful news/talk/sports formats - WLW, WSB, etc. are ranked
#1 in their markets - it is the music-oriented FMs that are in
trouble. No music on FMs - another reason for HD Radio not to exist.
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