Art Harris wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?


Same here. I listen to WCBS 880 in the morning while having breakfast.
At the top of the hour, they announce, "The time is 6:00 a.m." and
there is a beep. But it is consistently slow by about 7 seconds.

Obviously, they are on a delay. But when you sound a beep, it ought to
be accurate! Maybe not a big deal but this is the flagship station of
the CBS network (50,000 watts clear channel).

I thought my watch was going bad as I had just set it to WWV!

Art Harris

KNX 1070 does the same thing. They use distributed time code; seems
like the master clock would have an offset.

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Art Harris wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

I was just curious, because when I set all my watches to within a
second of the time off the shortwave, its amusing at work and at
peoples houses to see just how all over the place the time is set!
Even WABC 770 in NY, consistently when a news caster(Charles McCord,
Bruce Anderson, or Jen Nitosso) states the time it's at least
30seconds behind the time on my watch! *What radio station is more
than 10 sec off, let alone over half a minute?


Same here. I listen to WCBS 880 in the morning while having breakfast.
At the top of the hour, they announce, "The time is 6:00 a.m." and
there is a beep. But it is consistently slow by about 7 seconds.

Obviously, they are on a delay. But when you sound a beep, it ought to
be accurate! Maybe not a big deal but this is the flagship station of
the CBS network (50,000 watts clear channel).

I thought my watch was going bad as I had just set it to WWV!

Doesn't IBOC delay the analog that amount of time so that the dropouts can
be filled by falling back to the regular signal? Are they running IBOC,
(or maybe they are running through the processor, but have turned the
digital transmitter off).

KIRO in Seattle was simulcasting for a while (before they turned 710
kHz to sports talk) and the FM had that sort of delay.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?

Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock


+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.

On Sep 11, 5:02*pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?

Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock

+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. *Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. Where DO people get their time?

-CC

On Sep 11, 6:42*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
Where DO people get their time?

I get mine from NIST,
couldn't be arsed as to where anyone else gets theirs
or how far it is skewed in the process.

BTW: If ever I'm endowed with enough authoritative power,
I'll do away with 'savings time' for good.
and keep California off Arizona time like we are these days.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42
_____________________
YEAH BABY!! I hear'ya about DST - save THIS!!
The only thing it does is make sunrises so freakin' late esp in March,
Oct and Nov.

I get mine from NIST too, Bob, but then, we are not "average
people".

I'd venture to guess that only 1 out of 10 homes has at least a
portable SW radio - like my G6 or one of the current Sangeans or
Sonys.
1 out of 100 probably has a good table model with external antenna run
up the roof.

Of the preceding two groups, only a fraction of those folks even know
what frequecies NIST transmits on.

1 out of 1000 is an Echo Charlie like yourself.

All the rest probably get the time off the news or when an announcer
(like Imus) says the time on AM or FM radio. If not that, then the
digital readout outside of many bank branches - none of which I've
seen closer to NIST time than 1 minute off.

Nobody at work can stand me because to them my watch is either "too
fast" or "too slow". LOLOL!

-CC

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?
Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock
+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. Where DO people get their time?

-CC

A GPS receiver is dead-on accurate.

Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?
Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock
+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. Where DO people get their time?

-CC
A GPS receiver is dead-on accurate.

Might start that way after taking into account the red shift from the
constellation, but my Gamin has about a half second LCD refresh delay,
so that it isn't ever as accurate as the audible from Colorado.


I've only ever had one, a Magellan 300, and the time on it is always
within a half-second vs. WWV. I have a Casio Atomic I wear when I work
live shows, but they start a few seconds early for the profanity delay.
So the watch is still off, as far as the job at hand is concerned. I as
a rule do not wear a watch. I have lots of clocks.

I listen to the BBC World Service via web stream at vpr.net. They are
about 2 seconds late, which isn't bad for an internet stream. Clear
Channel's KTLK web stream is dead-on. They have a cool ID.

On Sep 12, 12:00*am, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:02 pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoasterwrote:
How difficult is it to get a
source to accurately set one's watch?
Casio 'Solar Atomic' G-Shock
+1 on the G Shock Solar Atomic. *Last watch I'll ever buy, I suspect.
_______________
I DON'T want a watch or clock that sets itself.

What I meant by that question was, although most people can navigate
the buttons to set the watch, but they don't have access to an
accurate time source. *I was alarmed by the spread at work, with
hourly beeps starting 6 minutes before the hour and some coming 2, 4,
or 5 minutes after the hour. *Where DO people get their time?

-CC
A GPS receiver is dead-on accurate.

Might start that way after taking into account the red shift from the
constellation, but my Gamin has about a half second LCD refresh delay,
so that it isn't ever as accurate as the audible from Colorado.

I've only ever had one, a Magellan 300, and the time on it is always
within a half-second vs. WWV. *I have a Casio Atomic I wear when I work
live shows, but they start a few seconds early for the profanity delay.
So the watch is still off, as far as the job at hand is concerned. *I as
a rule do not wear a watch. *I have lots of clocks.

I listen to the BBC World Service via web stream at vpr.net. *They are
about 2 seconds late, which isn't bad for an internet stream. *Clear
Channel's KTLK web stream is dead-on. *They have a cool ID.- Hide quoted text -

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__________________
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

-CC

On Sep 14, 7:12*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42
___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

-CC

"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 7:12 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42
___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.


I should be noted that those of us who are SWL's or AMBCB DX'ers (a form of
nerd) are much more concerned with the "exact" time, whereas the vast
majority of people on Earth find +/- 5 minutes to be quite adequate. Some
even far less than that (folks here figure if they show up to work less than
half an hour late, they're still considered to be "on time")