In article ,
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:34*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range.

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

It's a very narrowband phase shift and amplitude keyed carrier.
Modulation is at the 1 bit per second rate. Sounds like a wobbly
carrier with some occasional shift in signal strength.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

On Sep 18, 1:19*am, "Steve R." wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message

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Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.

Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence, but,
like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the quality
control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch from the
days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more accurate.

Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and it
keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet) and
fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"

Bill Baka

- Still using a 1905 Waltham pocket watch.
- Time keeping is good enough for a retired person.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29558.../p0412pic1.jpg

- Steve R.
-
- Steve R.

Life is in the Blessing of Living;
and for the Man Who is about Living Life . . .

When He looks up to the Heavens and Sees
the Sun and Blue Sky : It's Day Time

When He looks up to the Heavens and Sees
the Moon and Stars : It's Night Time

Day or Night : Life is in the Blessing of Living

it's time to retire ~ RHF
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Have any of y'all heard from cuzzin Burr lately? How is the auld boy
doing?
cuhulin

~ RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 1:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/17/09 10:38 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ab1aff9.1468062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:
Remember when crystal
control used to mean excellent frequency control and stability?
Compared to mechanical escapement devices it was an amazing
breakthrough, such that 'quartz' became a buzzword of quality.
Back in the early 60s I dreamt for a quartz watch like the kind I threw
so many away when I started to get the solar atomic versions.
Yes, at one time, quartz watches used to be the mark of excellence,
but, like everything else, when they went to mega-mass production, the
quality control went to hell. Now, if you get a good mechanical watch
from the days of yore, there's a good chance it's considerably more
accurate.
Yeah,
That is why I still wear a Casio from 1981. It won't break and it keeps
time to about 5 seconds a month. 4 battery chances, 4 wrist straps, and
it keeps on going. I have even taken it diving (free air, about 25 feet)
and fallen off my boat many times (mostly planned).
It ain't broke so why buy a Chinese junker. Mine says proudly "Made in
Japan"
Bill Baka
In 84, I bought a quartz watch at Wal-Mart for $4. It kept perfect
time. I set it twice a year, at the change, and that was it.
My house got robbed in '87. They took it. Damn.
Today, I wear an automatic mechanical Seiko. Not quite as accurate,
but it never needs batteries, keeps excellent time, and I can read it in
the dark without my glasses.
Interesting how things come around.
Sorry to hear about your watch. The late 80's until early 90's were the
ones to buy, before this "Made in *Communist* China junk we are
saturated with.
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif
.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:56 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:15 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Bill Baka- Hide quoted text -
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Don't blame China - blame the American and European (all Western)
companies that out-sourced their manufacturing to Mexico(30 years ago)
and China(last 10 years) to save money and increase profits so that
the few at the top could live more richly.
I am not blaming China but rather the American entity know as
*cheapskates* who would give our county away like they have done.
Carter and Reagan should have found some way to tax and level the field.
The Bushes never had a clue and Obama is so overwhelmed he may not get a
chance to get something in before China start yelling "Protectionism".

China(and Mexico and Korea) just gladly accepted the new jobs into
their economy! It is those executive decisions that destroyed the
greatest Middle-class the galaxy has ever known. :.(..
-CC
Agreed.

Bill Baka

A National Sales Tax that is Levied on both
Domestic and Foreign Goods transfers the
Tax Burden from Incomes Charged-Off on
Only Domestic Goods and Distributes it
Equally on All Goods both Foreign and
Domestic.

Eliminate the Income Tax on Individuals
making up-to $200K and Replace it with
a National Sales Tax ~20%.

Flat Income Tax of ~40% on all Individual
Incomes over $200K and No Deductions [.]
.
Exempt food and drugs?

I don't know of anyone making over $200,000 even as a couple who is not
into having kids.

Bill Baka

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif
.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Wally-World died a sudden death over here. There used to be about 20 stores
in Korea (11 of them in the area around Seoul). They all closed
simultaneously about 5 years ago, bought out by the local E-Mart chain.

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg

Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif
.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Wally-World died a sudden death over here. There used to be about 20 stores
in Korea (11 of them in the area around Seoul). They all closed
simultaneously about 5 years ago, bought out by the local E-Mart chain.



Let's hope something comes out of that, like the downfall of China-mart.

Bill Baka

Bill Baka wrote:
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

WWV at 10.000000 MHz has been my station since 1957 and even though the
NBS has changed it's name to NIST, WWV remains untouched. Propagation
delay is on the order of 1000/183,000 miles per second so that leaves
about 5 milliseconds of error here in the sates.


I find that my TV cable box display provides the easiest access to
accurate time.

Art Harris, N2AH

Art Harris wrote:
Bill Baka wrote:
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.
Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?
WWV at 10.000000 MHz has been my station since 1957 and even though the
NBS has changed it's name to NIST, WWV remains untouched. Propagation
delay is on the order of 1000/183,000 miles per second so that leaves
about 5 milliseconds of error here in the sates.


I find that my TV cable box display provides the easiest access to
accurate time.

Art Harris, N2AH

Hah,
I have had WWV on at the same time as my cable box and found up to 30
seconds difference. Where does the extra time come from?

Bill Baka

On 9/19/09 20:06 , Bill Baka wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
- Thank you China mart.
-
- Bill Baka

That's Great-Wall-of-China-Mart

http://www.americansongwriter.com/wp...10/walmart.jpg


Always thought that the "Wal*Mart" Logo
Branding should have featured a Red[*]Star
as Truth in Advertising.
http://www.underconsideration.com/br...go_history.gif

.
.
Those do sound and look about right.
Bill Baka

I still clang the iron skillets together and yell "Made in America."
I get some weird looks but I hope few people get the point.

Bill Baka (American, not Chinese)

Wally-World died a sudden death over here. There used to be about 20
stores in Korea (11 of them in the area around Seoul). They all closed
simultaneously about 5 years ago, bought out by the local E-Mart chain.



Let's hope something comes out of that, like the downfall of China-mart.

Bill Baka


Careful what you wish for.