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(OT) : Dealing with the the Inconvenient Truths of Obama-CareŠ
On Aug 20, 9:55*pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:00:03 -0700, ~ RHF wrote: On Aug 20, 5:46*pm, Michael Coburn wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:39:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: wrote: On Aug 19, 10:47 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: I want to know what is so difficult about reading a 1000 page, double spaced, single sided bill, when your kid can read 1000 pages of Harry Potter in under a week (double sided pages, in much smaller print, and single spaced). *And BTW, it's their JOB to read these bills. We don't pay them to make stupid remarks on television. That is not what I learned from my high school Social Studies teacher. We were taught that the House and Senate were subdivided into committees. *Legislators were expected to be expertly knowledgeable only about the bills reported out of their committees, not all bills. The "READ THE BILL!" rablle rouserrs are just displaying their own stupidity and ignorance. Why have them all vote, if they have no clue what they are voting for? It would be suffecient to have those "expertly knowledgeable only about the bills" vote for the entire congress...... The representatives of the people do not need to read the legal version in order to be fully aware of what is in the bill. *The American people should also have a PLAIN TALK version of the bill. *The "expertly knowledgeable are on the committees that draft the bill and haggle out what is in the bill in the committees. The market up version is then ready for debate and amendment. *The knowledge of what is in the version "reported out" of the committee and of all the proposed amendments are the responsibility of the caucus that will assign different staff members and House members to each such task in order to produce a more intelligible shorter version of the legalese. The interesting part is that the House currently is composed of the legislative assembly (the committees) which actually produces proposed legislation, and the representative assembly who are to understand what is in the proposed legislation so that they may communicate with their constituency and vote on the proposed legislation. *I think you are claiming that the representatives of the people should not have any voice in what the APPOINTED and ANOINTED few might decide. *You MUST be a latter day Republican. I think we see who's ignorant. We could vote on it but the few here that are "expertly knowledgeable only about" your infinite stupidity need read your posts to determine that. - I find most of the rightarded posts to be outright - lies concerning the actual proposed legislation. -*It isn't ignorance. -*It is outright lying. OK so "End-of-Life" Counseling is NOT in the Obama-CareŠ Bills. Actually, there IS a proposal in HR 3200 to COVER such counseling if the insured person wishes to "counsel". *It is not mandatory. Michael Coburn, Paying Doctors for a Service called "End-of-Life" Counseling and Grading them on the performance of that 'service' for each and every American Senior Citizen that is covered by Medicare will de-facto make it Mandatory. - - OK so Half or the Cost of Obama-CareŠ - - is NOT going to be Paid for by Reductions - - in Medicare Spending for America's Senior - - Citizens. - Why don't you show us some data or a cite for this stupid claim? Michael Coburn 'stupid claim' that's Obama-BotŠ {Liberal-Fascist} Name Calling : Not Facts. 1 - Mr. Obama proposed $622 Billion in cuts to Federal Health-Care Spending. {Medicare & Medicaid} http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124839406488477649.html Te White House has proposed Shaving {Cutting} $177 Billion from Payments to Health Insurers under Medicare managed-care plans, which allow America's Senior Citizens to obtain Medicare Coverage outside the government-run program. {Choice} and forcing America's Senior Citizens into a Government Only Medicare Plan Reducing Coverage, Benefits, Services, and Treatment. 2 - Prez Obama proposed $313 Billion in Cuts to Medicare and Medicaid to help Pay for $1 Trillion Obama-CareŠ Reforms. http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news...reut/index.htm Cuts to Reduce/Eliminate Medicare : Coverage, Benefits, Services, and Treatment for America's Senior Citizens. 3 - Medicare, Medicaid Cuts in Prez Obama's Budget Total $316 Billion Over 10 Years http://healthcenter.bna.com/pic2/hc....2?OpenDocument -but- American Senior Citizens will get . . . End-of-Life" {Ending-Your-Life} Counseling with Obama-CareŠ 4 - Prez Obama calls for Cuts in Medicare and Medicaid http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/ju...pers-j16.shtml |
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(OT) : Whose Medical Decisions ? - Your 'Choice' -or- GovernmentMandate
~ RHF wrote:
On Aug 20, 5:39 am, dave wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: I want to know what is so difficult about reading a 1000 page, double spaced, single sided bill, when your kid can read 1000 pages of Harry Potter in under a week (double sided pages, in much smaller print, and single spaced). And BTW, it's their JOB to read these bills. We don't pay them to make stupid remarks on television. There is no single bill to be read right now. As I understand it, there are are at least 3 committees, each with a different version. They have staff who are familiar with every word and nothing is hidden. They do have all day to read things. Dave 'staff' ain't your Elected Representative. Roy, "staff" is the part the part of the machine that actually does the work. The Representative runs for office and conceives "big picture" policy, makes the speeches, collects the checks, etc., but the staff does the actual work. Why do you hate workers? |
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(OT) : Whose Medical Decisions ? - Your 'Choice' -or- GovernmentMandate
WQGT447 wrote:
. By God, you are desperate, aren't you? Whose payroll are you on? Blue Cross? HealthNet? Inquiring minds want to know... Roy is a "Bubble Puppy". He lives in a parallel universe. He thinks Fox News is real. I watch Fox News. It's a combination of horror and black comedy that is truly awesome. |
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(OT) : Dealing with the the Inconvenient Truths of Obama-CareŠ
~ RHF wrote:
OK so "End-of-Life" Counseling is NOT in the Obama-CareŠ Bills. It never was, Bozo. There was a provision to pay a doctor for 1 consultation every 5 years. (A Republican proposed part of the bill, by the way.) OK so Half or the Cost of Obama-CareŠ is NOT going to be Paid for by Reductions in Medicare Spending for America's Senior Citizens. No. Reduction in Medicare waste. Administrative streamlining, fraud prevention, etc. the inconvenient truth - ain't a lie ~ RHF There are not 2 sides to a fact. There is no way a lie equals "balance" against a truth. |
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(OT) : Whose Medical Decisions ? - Your 'Choice' -or- GovernmentMandate
On Aug 21, 5:21*am, dave wrote:
WQGT447 wrote: *. By God, you are desperate, aren't you? *Whose payroll are you on? Blue Cross? *HealthNet? *Inquiring minds want to know... Roy is a "Bubble Puppy". *He lives in a parallel universe. *He thinks Fox News is real. I watch Fox News. *It's a combination of horror and black comedy that is truly awesome. Fox is amazing, isn't it? Those guys are incapable of telling even the slightest bit of truth if it will help anyone who makes less than $500,000 per annum. They are desperate to turn back the clock to the year 1890, or possibly even antebellum times when they are at their worst. |
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Whose Medical Decisions?
Michael Coburn wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:39:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: wrote: On Aug 19, 10:47 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: I want to know what is so difficult about reading a 1000 page, double spaced, single sided bill, when your kid can read 1000 pages of Harry Potter in under a week (double sided pages, in much smaller print, and single spaced). And BTW, it's their JOB to read these bills. We don't pay them to make stupid remarks on television. That is not what I learned from my high school Social Studies teacher. We were taught that the House and Senate were subdivided into committees. Legislators were expected to be expertly knowledgeable only about the bills reported out of their committees, not all bills. The "READ THE BILL!" rablle rouserrs are just displaying their own stupidity and ignorance. Why have them all vote, if they have no clue what they are voting for? It would be suffecient to have those "expertly knowledgeable only about the bills" vote for the entire congress...... The representatives of the people do not need to read the legal version in order to be fully aware of what is in the bill. The American people should also have a PLAIN TALK version of the bill. The "expertly knowledgeable are on the committees that draft the bill and haggle out This is what the Church did to elevate it's self above the common people. Latin was used to exclude the people.... Now you want our government to become elitist, when the Constitution was written it was plan text that we all could understand. It had to be to be ratified and accepted by the people. what is in the bill in the committees. The market up version is then ready for debate and amendment. The knowledge of what is in the version "reported out" of the committee and of all the proposed amendments are the responsibility of the caucus that will assign different staff members and House members to each such task in order to produce a more intelligible shorter version of the legalese. -- *BE VERY CONCERNED* Don't list what you studied, tell me where you succeeded and failed. *Poetic-Justice* |
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(OT) : Whose Medical Decisions ? - Your 'Choice' -or-Governme...
An operating room nurse Lady (she passed away a few years ago at fifty
years old, cancer) in Arlington,Texas,,, I once asked her about a little skin growth on top of one of my shoulders, I have had that ever since I was a kid.She told me she can't give out any medical advice because she could lose her License. Take two mornings and call me in the aspirin I smell Rain, I better jump out at my old trailer and put my tools up.. cuhulin |
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Whose Medical Decisions?
Michael Coburn wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:39:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: wrote: On Aug 19, 10:47 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: I want to know what is so difficult about reading a 1000 page, double spaced, single sided bill, when your kid can read 1000 pages of Harry Potter in under a week (double sided pages, in much smaller print, and single spaced). And BTW, it's their JOB to read these bills. We don't pay them to make stupid remarks on television. That is not what I learned from my high school Social Studies teacher. We were taught that the House and Senate were subdivided into committees. Legislators were expected to be expertly knowledgeable only about the bills reported out of their committees, not all bills. The "READ THE BILL!" rablle rouserrs are just displaying their own stupidity and ignorance. Why have them all vote, if they have no clue what they are voting for? It would be suffecient to have those "expertly knowledgeable only about the bills" vote for the entire congress...... The representatives of the people do not need to read the legal version in order to be fully aware of what is in the bill. The American people should also have a PLAIN TALK version of the bill. The "expertly knowledgeable are on the committees that draft the bill and haggle out This is what the Church did to elevate its self above the common people. Latin was used to exclude the people.... Now you want our government to become elitist. When the Constitution was written it was plain text that we could understand. It had to be ratified and accepted by the people. what is in the bill in the committees. The market up version is then ready for debate and amendment. The knowledge of what is in the version "reported out" of the committee and of all the proposed amendments are the responsibility of the caucus that will assign different staff members and House members to each such task in order to produce a more intelligible shorter version of the legalese. -- *BE VERY CONCERNED* Media policy is... the only good news is bad news. |
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(OT) : Whose Medical Decisions ? - Your 'Choice' -or- GovernmentMandate
On Aug 21, 5:18*am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote: On Aug 20, 5:39 am, dave wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: I want to know what is so difficult about reading a 1000 page, double spaced, single sided bill, when your kid can read 1000 pages of Harry Potter in under a week (double sided pages, in much smaller print, and single spaced). *And BTW, it's their JOB to read these bills. We don't pay them to make stupid remarks on television. There is no single bill to be read right now. *As I understand it, there are are at least 3 committees, each with a different version. *They have staff who are familiar with every word and nothing is hidden. *They do have all day to read things. Dave 'staff' ain't your Elected Representative. Roy, "staff" is the part the part of the machine that actually does the work. *The Representative runs for office and conceives "big picture" policy, makes the speeches, collects the checks, etc., but the staff does the actual work. Dave the Representative 'picks' the Staff or at least the Chief-of-Staff; and the bottom line is the Public Elects 'Their' Representative. The foundation of The Representative Government -is- "The Representative". - Why do you hate workers? Dave there you go like a typical Obama-BotŠ putting Words in other people's mouths. Blessed by God with Life and Progressive by Nature thru Living ~ RHF [Just an Old Retired Blue Collar Union Member - Dosvedanya Tovarisch] |
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(OT) : Whose Medical Decisions ? - Your 'Choice' -or- GovernmentMandate
On Aug 21, 11:21*am, Toxic wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:18:29 -0700, dave wrote: Roy, "staff" is the part the part of the machine that actually does the work. *The Representative runs for office and conceives "big picture" policy, makes the speeches, collects the checks, etc., but the staff does the actual work. - - Why do you hate workers? - He must have been one of those bosses that the - crew smiled to his face and hated behind his back bosses, What Bosses ? We Ain't Got To Show You No Stinking BOSSES ! As a 'worker' I expect an Honest Day's Pay : for an Honest Day's Work*. {Fair Treatment} * Did not matter whether I liked the Boss or not. As a 'boss' I expect an Honest Day's Work : For an Honest Day's Pay**. {Fair Treatment} ** Did not matter whether They liked Me or not. Blessed by God with Life and Progressive by Nature thru Living ~ RHF [Just an Old Retired Blue Collar Union Member - Dosvedanya Tovarisch] |
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