On 11/22/09 12:18 , Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Nov 22, 11:51 am, "D. Peter
wrote:
On 11/22/09 11:23 , Too_Many_Tools wrote:

With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT

The big guns have all abandoned SW to developed countries. BBC
still broadcasts to africa. DW, RNW and the others have moved to
satellite and internet distribution.

But as politics in the world heat up, SW will become an
important element of communcations again once tensions reach the
point where walls start going up. Internet streams can be censored.
Satellite radio can be shut off. That leaves terrestrial radio.
500,000 watts can't stopped at national boarders.

The Cold War was the reason for the pervasion of SW broadcasts.
Of course, there were jamming attempts. Some more successful than
others. But, the messages got where they were intended through radio
beamed in from out of country.

The technology isn't dead. It may be dormant, now. But it's not
dead. And when communications are down, Radio is one of the few
technologies that can be brought to bear quickly, and competently.
With organized traffic nets in every state.

So, no, SW radios are not obsolete. Nor will they be for some
years, yet.

Good comments.

Do you think frequencies will be reallotted for other purposes?

Unused spectrum is valuable in today's wireless world.

TMT


On HF...maybe. But probably not as much as you think. A lot of
digital services can be squeezed into a handful of channels. About
10 years ago, I looked at a QEI Quick Link for my remote broadcast
business. A digital site-to-studio link that was frequency agile
over 12 channels, and used a number of different pn codes to
digitally encode the audio on the transmit end, and then decode it
on the receive end. I may have the numbers wrong on that, it has
been a decade or more. But the point was that the audio was clean,
reasonably secure.

When I asked about intereference, the rep showed me the results
of a test that had 20 or so of these devices all
transmitting/receiving on the same channel with different pn codes,
and non could see any of the others.

Where digital will be the mode of choice, spectrum space will be
less of an issue. Meaning that a few channels here and there could
be reallocated to digital modes, without significantly crowding
remaining spectra while still accomodating a large number of users.

And DRM is still in use in some broadcast bands by SW broadcasters.

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Unused spectrum is valuable in today's wireless world.

Some has, 7100-7200 HZ has been re-alocated to a ham band. I think it is
supposed to be clear of SWBC stations in 2010.

Before someone from the US goes and says it already is a ham band, it is only
one in the Western Hemisphere. Here in ITU zone 1 (and zone 3), it was
7000-7100 until a few years ago, now it is 7000-7200, but there are still
s-meter pinning SWBC stations on there.

In some parts of the world there is a new 5mHz ham band, but I don't think
it came from SWBC allocation.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

In message 4b0c0593.9839312@chupacabra, Bob Dobbs
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

In some parts of the world there is a new 5mHz ham band, but I don't think
it came from SWBC allocation.

If you're talking about the 60m HAM band,
it's only five 'channels' in an otherwise ute band.

Not in Norway, it isn't any longer. They have just been granted access
to the whole band. They now have a secondary allocation at 5.260 to
5.410MHz, all modes with a 6kHz maximum bandwidth.
http://www.cqhq.co.uk/2009/11/norway-on-5mhz.html
http://cqhq.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/60m-band-for-norway/

All USB and power restricted.
http://60meters.net/
--
Ian

Shortwave Radio and Ham Radio and even CB Radio will Always be useful.

Heh, I had to come down out of my attic for a while, it's dusty up
there, especially working my broom up there! also to take doggy out in
the front yard (she took a poop and a pee) and breathe some fresh Air.

Heh, Bait Car is on the tru TV channel right now, is GOOD! Those car
jackers in California are working overtime, according to a CHP Officer
on Bait Car.
cuhulin

In the US we have all been duped into belief that anything that is not the
latest thing is obsolete. Meanwhile, just in the last year, numerous other
countries have initiated and/or expanded their shortwave coverage. While
we're running around with fogged heads patting ourselves on the back on our
perceived trend-setting status...as is so often the case...we are myopic
about what is really going on around us.

Shortwave broadcasting offers much that the Internet does not; portability,
anonymity and simplicity. I am certain shortwave will be around for a long
time; probably outlasting Internet so-called "broadcasting."

On Nov 22, 9:23*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT

I doubt it, at least not in my lifetime.

On Nov 22, 12:23*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT

I doubt SW will ever become totally obsolete. It's enough cheaper to
recieve (compared to satelite or Internet transmission) that
broadcasts to the developing world are likely to continue for a long
time and it's enough cheaper to transmit (for semi-developed countries
like Russia which have all the gear, but don't have massive amounts of
dirt-cheap Internet bandwidth capacity) that they'll continue
broadcasting for quite some time too. It's a shame that the great
Western European broadcasters no longer beam a signal at North
America, but as long as you stay away from the new and just listen to
the music and cultural programming, stuff like Voice of Russia, RCI
and Radio Havan is pretty fun.

Mike

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:23:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT


As soon as all the people in the third world get computers and broadband
connections you will see SWL broadcasting go away. We will see a lot less
of English broadcasts to NA, but plenty of broadcasts to other parts of
the world that don't use the English language.


--
Best Regards, Keith
http://home.comcast.net/~kilowattradio/
Tired of Google Groups?
http://home.comcast.net/~kilowattradio/usenet.html

On Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 12:23:10 PM UTC-5, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT

The only thing left in short wave are the the old nostalgic listeners stuck in the past remembering the old days after that is all long gone, they are the same guys buying these radios from China been so cheap nowadays. In a few years after they are gone short wave will be nothing more than an anachronistic curiosity for historians and sentimentalists.

Uh... its been in steep decline for years since 2009 - you just wake
up from a coma?

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On Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 12:23:10 PM UTC-5, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
With my recent purchase of a DX-394, I have again taken an interest in
SWL.

Upon seeing stations going to Internet only broadcasting, are we
seeing a trend where SW radios will become obsolete?

TMT

The only thing left in short wave are the the old nostalgic listeners stuck
in the past remembering the old days after that is all long gone, they are
the same guys buying these radios from China been so cheap nowadays. In a
few years after they are gone short wave will be nothing more than an
anachronistic curiosity for historians and sentimentalists.