On Mar 23, 11:07*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 23, 7:31*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-





wrote:
On 3/22/2010 11:12 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote:
Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET

Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the
sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives
Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health
care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont-

like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y

That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody
won".

Look it up!

This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance
company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to
give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a
difference in several important salient health-related details, cost
not being a big deal among them.

Bruce

You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are
forced to have insurance or accept government health care.

Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate.

Right now, I have no choice *anyway* - if I don't pay installments to
some bloodsucking insurer, I run the risk of my family - both of whom
have highly treatable preexisting conditions - dying needlessly. *If
Obama and I really had our way, the government-run single payer option
- used VERY successfully by numerous more civilized nations around the
world - would obviate the need to pay any private for-profit company
whose sole goal is to milk me out of money and support me as little as
possible in my time of need.

You go to them they don't come to you. *You get out your wallet freely,
but Obama wants to hold a gun to your head.

I don't especially care if you like the government option or not - the
proof is in the pudding, and the substantial majority of people I have

If you want to live in France/Canada.... *then just do it.

spoken with from those nations have good cause to believe that their
systems work well. *Many cannot believe the barbaric system we are
still stuck with here in the States.

I have an English Girlfriend..... * they don't like or get good health
care, her girlfriend died 20 years ago, killed by the National health
care who didn't tell her she had stomach cancer until it was too
late.... * she came here to America and the doctors said that, had she
only come here earlier, it was treatable.

That's your good government care.

Nice and pretty, and her name was Chris.

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Well, that's one. *To set and match it - my Dad, depending on US
medicine, did not know he had stomach cancer until it was too late,
thanks to 40 years of inept Americam medicine. Another - my Mom had
cancer for three years, died of it, and the doctors never did figure
out what kind of cancer it was! * So don't give me any bull**** about
the British medical system failing its patients - the US fails as
often if not more, and the life expectancy in the UK, despite what can
only be described as a horrible diet, is a year longer than the US.
Same with about 30 other nations who all have socialized medicine.

We ourselves spend a good deal of time wondering if my wife's asthma
is going to be effectively treated next month or year. *Something they
do not fear in Britain.

I have plenty of stories from Brits who would not trade their system
for the third-world system we have in the States. *People with chronic
diseases and disabilities, people who have immediate problems in their
homes, get medical attention when they need it, day or night, at their
homes, and they pay not a penny OOP. *They have plenty of $$$ for
travel, hobbies, nice homes and fun.

Bruce

I happen to know a fellow (a co-worker) who took a job in one of
offices in England. He's a former Army officer, a hard-over right
winger. He had a heart attack while in England and gave himself over
to the British medical system. He never had a bad word to say about
it. His treatment was good, the doctors and nurses caring and
professional and the hospital -- if a bit old -- was clean. It was
also cheap and he didn't have to bicker with an insurance company
about what was covered.

On Mar 24, 7:20*pm, Wexford wrote:
On Mar 23, 11:07*am, bpnjensen wrote:





On Mar 23, 7:31*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-

wrote:
On 3/22/2010 11:12 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote:
Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET

Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the
sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives
Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health
care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont-

like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y

That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody
won".

Look it up!

This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance
company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to
give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a
difference in several important salient health-related details, cost
not being a big deal among them.

Bruce

You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are
forced to have insurance or accept government health care.

Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate.

Right now, I have no choice *anyway* - if I don't pay installments to
some bloodsucking insurer, I run the risk of my family - both of whom
have highly treatable preexisting conditions - dying needlessly. *If
Obama and I really had our way, the government-run single payer option
- used VERY successfully by numerous more civilized nations around the
world - would obviate the need to pay any private for-profit company
whose sole goal is to milk me out of money and support me as little as
possible in my time of need.

You go to them they don't come to you. *You get out your wallet freely,
but Obama wants to hold a gun to your head.

I don't especially care if you like the government option or not - the
proof is in the pudding, and the substantial majority of people I have

If you want to live in France/Canada.... *then just do it.

spoken with from those nations have good cause to believe that their
systems work well. *Many cannot believe the barbaric system we are
still stuck with here in the States.

I have an English Girlfriend..... * they don't like or get good health
care, her girlfriend died 20 years ago, killed by the National health
care who didn't tell her she had stomach cancer until it was too
late.... * she came here to America and the doctors said that, had she
only come here earlier, it was treatable.

That's your good government care.

Nice and pretty, and her name was Chris.

Bruce- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, that's one. *To set and match it - my Dad, depending on US
medicine, did not know he had stomach cancer until it was too late,
thanks to 40 years of inept Americam medicine. Another - my Mom had
cancer for three years, died of it, and the doctors never did figure
out what kind of cancer it was! * So don't give me any bull**** about
the British medical system failing its patients - the US fails as
often if not more, and the life expectancy in the UK, despite what can
only be described as a horrible diet, is a year longer than the US.
Same with about 30 other nations who all have socialized medicine.

We ourselves spend a good deal of time wondering if my wife's asthma
is going to be effectively treated next month or year. *Something they
do not fear in Britain.

I have plenty of stories from Brits who would not trade their system
for the third-world system we have in the States. *People with chronic
diseases and disabilities, people who have immediate problems in their
homes, get medical attention when they need it, day or night, at their
homes, and they pay not a penny OOP. *They have plenty of $$$ for
travel, hobbies, nice homes and fun.

Bruce

I happen to know a fellow (a co-worker) who took a job in one of
offices in England. He's a former Army officer, a hard-over right
winger. He had a heart attack while in England and gave himself over
to the British medical system. He never had a bad word to say about
it. His treatment was good, the doctors and nurses caring and
professional and the hospital -- if a bit old -- was clean. It was
also cheap and he didn't have to bicker with an insurance company
about what was covered.

I hear stories like this one from a half-dozen Brits I know - but as I
said, I apparently know the wrong ones - you know, the ones who are
HAPPY with their system.

On 3/25/2010 12:44 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 24, 7:20 pm, Wexford wrote:
On Mar 23, 11:07 am, bpnjensen wrote:





On Mar 23, 7:31 am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-

wrote:
On 3/22/2010 11:12 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote:
Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET

Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the
sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives
Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health
care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont-

like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y

That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody
won".

Look it up!

This bill will help my family considerably. My %^$%#^%$ insurance
company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to
give us the runaround. This thing, as odd as it is, will make a
difference in several important salient health-related details, cost
not being a big deal among them.

Bruce

You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. Then you are
forced to have insurance or accept government health care.

Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate.

Right now, I have no choice *anyway* - if I don't pay installments to
some bloodsucking insurer, I run the risk of my family - both of whom
have highly treatable preexisting conditions - dying needlessly. If
Obama and I really had our way, the government-run single payer option
- used VERY successfully by numerous more civilized nations around the
world - would obviate the need to pay any private for-profit company
whose sole goal is to milk me out of money and support me as little as
possible in my time of need.

You go to them they don't come to you. You get out your wallet freely,
but Obama wants to hold a gun to your head.

I don't especially care if you like the government option or not - the
proof is in the pudding, and the substantial majority of people I have

If you want to live in France/Canada.... then just do it.

spoken with from those nations have good cause to believe that their
systems work well. Many cannot believe the barbaric system we are
still stuck with here in the States.

I have an English Girlfriend..... they don't like or get good health
care, her girlfriend died 20 years ago, killed by the National health
care who didn't tell her she had stomach cancer until it was too
late.... she came here to America and the doctors said that, had she
only come here earlier, it was treatable.

That's your good government care.

Nice and pretty, and her name was Chris.

Bruce- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, that's one. To set and match it - my Dad, depending on US
medicine, did not know he had stomach cancer until it was too late,
thanks to 40 years of inept Americam medicine. Another - my Mom had
cancer for three years, died of it, and the doctors never did figure
out what kind of cancer it was! So don't give me any bull**** about
the British medical system failing its patients - the US fails as
often if not more, and the life expectancy in the UK, despite what can
only be described as a horrible diet, is a year longer than the US.
Same with about 30 other nations who all have socialized medicine.

We ourselves spend a good deal of time wondering if my wife's asthma
is going to be effectively treated next month or year. Something they
do not fear in Britain.

I have plenty of stories from Brits who would not trade their system
for the third-world system we have in the States. People with chronic
diseases and disabilities, people who have immediate problems in their
homes, get medical attention when they need it, day or night, at their
homes, and they pay not a penny OOP. They have plenty of $$$ for
travel, hobbies, nice homes and fun.

Bruce

I happen to know a fellow (a co-worker) who took a job in one of
offices in England. He's a former Army officer, a hard-over right
winger. He had a heart attack while in England and gave himself over
to the British medical system. He never had a bad word to say about
it. His treatment was good, the doctors and nurses caring and
professional and the hospital -- if a bit old -- was clean. It was
also cheap and he didn't have to bicker with an insurance company
about what was covered.

I hear stories like this one from a half-dozen Brits I know - but as I
said, I apparently know the wrong ones - you know, the ones who are
HAPPY with their system.


Obviously getting descent health care in England is a crap shoot!

What a great F*cking System.

On Mar 25, 7:29*pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 3/25/2010 12:44 AM, bpnjensen wrote:





On Mar 24, 7:20 pm, Wexford wrote:
On Mar 23, 11:07 am, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 23, 7:31 am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-

wrote:
On 3/22/2010 11:12 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote:
Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET

Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the
sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives
Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health
care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont-

like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y

That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody
won".

Look it up!

This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance
company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to
give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a
difference in several important salient health-related details, cost
not being a big deal among them.

Bruce

You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are
forced to have insurance or accept government health care.

Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate.

Right now, I have no choice *anyway* - if I don't pay installments to
some bloodsucking insurer, I run the risk of my family - both of whom
have highly treatable preexisting conditions - dying needlessly. *If
Obama and I really had our way, the government-run single payer option
- used VERY successfully by numerous more civilized nations around the
world - would obviate the need to pay any private for-profit company
whose sole goal is to milk me out of money and support me as little as
possible in my time of need.

You go to them they don't come to you. *You get out your wallet freely,
but Obama wants to hold a gun to your head.

I don't especially care if you like the government option or not - the
proof is in the pudding, and the substantial majority of people I have

If you want to live in France/Canada.... *then just do it.

spoken with from those nations have good cause to believe that their
systems work well. *Many cannot believe the barbaric system we are
still stuck with here in the States.

I have an English Girlfriend..... * they don't like or get good health
care, her girlfriend died 20 years ago, killed by the National health
care who didn't tell her she had stomach cancer until it was too
late.... * she came here to America and the doctors said that, had she
only come here earlier, it was treatable.

That's your good government care.

Nice and pretty, and her name was Chris.

Bruce- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, that's one. *To set and match it - my Dad, depending on US
medicine, did not know he had stomach cancer until it was too late,
thanks to 40 years of inept Americam medicine. Another - my Mom had
cancer for three years, died of it, and the doctors never did figure
out what kind of cancer it was! * So don't give me any bull**** about
the British medical system failing its patients - the US fails as
often if not more, and the life expectancy in the UK, despite what can
only be described as a horrible diet, is a year longer than the US.
Same with about 30 other nations who all have socialized medicine.

We ourselves spend a good deal of time wondering if my wife's asthma
is going to be effectively treated next month or year. *Something they
do not fear in Britain.

I have plenty of stories from Brits who would not trade their system
for the third-world system we have in the States. *People with chronic
diseases and disabilities, people who have immediate problems in their
homes, get medical attention when they need it, day or night, at their
homes, and they pay not a penny OOP. *They have plenty of $$$ for
travel, hobbies, nice homes and fun.

Bruce

I happen to know a fellow (a co-worker) who took a job in one of
offices in England. He's a former Army officer, a hard-over right
winger. He had a heart attack while in England and gave himself over
to the British medical system. He never had a bad word to say about
it. His treatment was good, the doctors and nurses caring and
professional and the hospital -- if a bit old -- was clean. It was
also cheap and he didn't have to bicker with an insurance company
about what was covered.

I hear stories like this one from a half-dozen Brits I know - but as I
said, I apparently know the wrong ones - you know, the ones who are
HAPPY with their system.

Obviously getting descent health care in England is a crap shoot!

What a great F*cking System.

Obvious to a person who assumes everything and knows nothing.

"bpnjensen" wrote in message Obviously getting
descent health care in England is a crap shoot!

What a great F*cking System.

Obvious to a person who assumes everything and knows nothing.

Comes right down to it, medical care anywhere is a crapshoot. That's why
malpractice suits are so popular, and one of the primary reasons for the
high cost of health care.

On Mar 25, 10:09*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"bpnjensen" wrote in message Obviously getting

descent health care in England is a crap shoot!



What a great F*cking System.
Obvious to a person who assumes everything and knows nothing.

Comes right down to it, medical care anywhere is a crapshoot. That's why
malpractice suits are so popular, and one of the primary reasons for the
high cost of health care.

Yeah, absolutely right. This will change only slowly - like so many
things in this universe, the physiology of living things is stranger
and more complex than we can imagine. Doctors have no choice but to
make a mistake sometimes.

I do think we need some level of tort reform. A valid malpractice
suit is one thing - a move to be as greedy as possible is quite
another.

Bruce Jensen

On 3/26/2010 1:09 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:
"bpnjensen" wrote in message Obviously getting
descent health care in England is a crap shoot!

What a great F*cking System.

Obvious to a person who assumes everything and knows nothing.

Comes right down to it, medical care anywhere is a crapshoot. That's why
malpractice suits are so popular, and one of the primary reasons for the
high cost of health care.



So you are saying that Socialized medicine is no cure for anything!

On Mar 26, 8:27*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 3/26/2010 1:09 AM, Brenda Ann wrote: "bpnjensen" wrote in message Obviously getting
descent health care in England is a crap shoot!

What a great F*cking System.

Obvious to a person who assumes everything and knows nothing.

Comes right down to it, medical care anywhere is a crapshoot. That's why
malpractice suits are so popular, and one of the primary reasons for the
high cost of health care.

So you are saying that Socialized medicine is no cure for anything!

You have a funny way of excluding specifics and mixing apples and
oranges.

It's a cure for millions being without insurance and for people having
their coverage dropped by private insurance. That's the point.
Medical science will continue to do what it does regardless of
insurance, and vice-versa. Just because one has flaws is not an
excuse to ignore the betterment of the other.

Bruce

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


So you are saying that Socialized medicine is no cure for anything!

What do you mean by "socialized"? On the surface it sounds pretty benign.