dave wrote:

I'll bet there's a ****load of wife-swapping where you live. That's
been my experience in these Mayberry Meccas.


That would explain the entire village raising the children. They never
know if they're looking after their own or not.

It's probably where the perverse Mormon Elders got their ideas for
their present day Harems. One of those scum has over 120 children from
welfare collecting tramps.





mike

lorad wrote:

Spare the rod and spoil the child.



Spare the rod and *have* no child.




mike

"Kevin Alfred Strom" wrote in message
...

The founders must have been aware that such a situation could evolve,
hence their repeated words "Congress shall make no law..." -- surely the
most important statement in the entire document.

CONgress has been making unconstitutional law for many decades. First
there's the flagrant violation of the Second Amendment by regulating WHO may
own or carry a gun. They've been doing that one for a very long time, and
they just keep slipping in more BS under the flag of protecting the public.
Protecting the public is the job of the police, not the CONgress passing
unconstitutional law.

Then there's due process, double jeopardy and ex-post-facto. They get around
that by saying the law is not punitive, but "regulative". And the SCOTUS
goes right along with it.

On Sep 15, 8:14*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:18*pm, wrote:



On Sep 15, 1:11*am, bpnjensen wrote:

On Sep 14, 9:18*pm, wrote:

On Sep 14, 10:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

On Sep 14, 3:53*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/14/2010 4:05 PM, dave wrote:

...
It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

In the part which says that any powers not given (mentioned) are
reserved for the state and people ... better late than never ....

Regards,
JS

As long as you have a Republic, people will hand over the reigns to
the representatives to do the hard work. *In exchange for having
elected people to sit down and work out the hard and complex details
of difficult legislation, power will be concentrated and expanded in
places that you'd rather not see it. *Such is the nature of a
republic. *People who believe otherwise are fooling themselves.

The only way to avoid this and maintain something other than a
dictatorship, and it is a severely double-edged sword, is through
direct Democracy. *With that, the people make ALL the rules and bypass
the middleman of the republic. *But, beware - there is nothing more
disjointed and cumbersome and damned downright confusing than a set of
laws created by The People.

My guess is that both of these ideas work better on a very small scale
- like in a town or a county. *Once you get to the Statewide level,
things start breaking down again, and at the national level - well,
you see what we have.

You have to choose your poison, or go live in Antarctica.

It work very well in the ancient Greek city-states. Look what had
happened since they have joined the Common Market and EU !

Yes - they were much smaller than 2010 USA. *A lot of history
transpired between the Fall of Greece I and the Fall of Greece II !!!

Modern Greece is, I am afraid, in a position similar to California.
My theory - The European Union, of which they are now a part, holds
the keys to the treasury and the money machine, much like the US
Treasury. *The larger conglomeration can print money if it needs to
pay off its debts (albeit at an inflated rate), while the individual
nation-state cannot do this (as Greece used to be able to do). *Nether
Greece nor California can print its own $$$ like the larger system, so
they are in economic hot water.

Bruce Jense4n- Hide quoted text -

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...but in the US it's been this way since dirt. *Each individual state
is it's own "nation" so to speak, with its own government and issues
to address, but the U.S. is Union of many states, is a supreme entity
with an overarching legal framework (the Constitution) and is the one
that prints the common currency. *We here in the U.S. (especially
conservatives, generally) complain that we don't want to be like, or
be part of, the European Union, deeming it socialist and so forth -
but in reality, the EU is based loosely on what the U.S. already
is...a larger framework for the common good of all the member states.

- California could, I suppose,
- print its own "greenbacks"
- to start to pay off its debts -

Yes California 'Greenback' "CALI"s {not US Dollars}
that are printed-on 'Fine' California Grown Hemp Paper
based on California's Ability to Produce the Finest
Hemp Produces in the World. Underwritten by the
'Growing' California Economy : Productive Output in
Goods, Services and Primo 'Grass'. ;;-}}

Hello - Vote 'YES" on California Proposition 19
{The Marijuana Legalization Initiative of 2010}
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...ive_%282010%29
-wrt- Grow It ! -and- Tax It !
* Stop Sending Drug Money Overseas
* * Recycle It Right Here At Home in California
* Regulate It and TAX IT !
* * Control It and Put It To Productive Uses.

- I am not an economist per se, so I do not know
- what advantage that would gain us - but I doubt if it would work
very
- well,

-wrt- Bank of North Dakota*
http://www.banknd.nd.gov/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_Dakota
California urgently needs an "International {State}
Bank of the California Republic"

- as currency is supposed to be based on *something*,
either gold or silver or other valuable commodity,

YES a "Some-Thing" which is a 'Valuable Commodity'

Are "WE" that 'Some-Thing' ?

- which we do not have in abundance just now.

What About the 'Value' of the Productive Ability and
Capacity of 310M USA'ians and 37M Californians ?
'We The People' -are- The Underlying Productive
Wealth that Supports the Debt of the US Treasury.

- Such is the case now with Greece - its drachmas
- are no longer much good by themselves.
- Bruce

What Is : The 'Value' of the Productive Ability and
Capacity of 11 M Greek Citzens* ? ? ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece
* Less than 1/3rd of California

BACK TO PRINTING MONEY AND IT VALUE :

When US President Lincoln -by-act-of-congress-
started Printing the "Union" {Greenback} Dollar :
the individual States were encouraged to get out
of the Currency 'printing' Business.
http://www.xat.org/xat/usury.html
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/pres.htm
http://www.trosch.org/law/fed-paper-money.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note
http://www.paymasterusa.org/union_money.html
http://www.heritech.com/pridger/lincoln/lin-ken.htm
http://ecclesia.org/forum/uploads/bo...greenbackP.pdf

The US Dollar is NOT {presently} based on Gold or Silver
{Reserves} but on the US Economy's Productive Output
and Income {Revenue} that that produces.

The US Dollar is {presently} based on the US Economy :
The Hardworking Citizens of the USA's 'productive ability'
to Make and Do "Things" {Goods and Services} that can
be Exchanged {Bought and Sold or 'Bartered'} in/on the
USA Market and in/on International Markets. -er-go-

* A Healthy Strong US Economy is a 'Good' Valued
US Dollar in the National and World Marketplace.
-aka- A Worthy Debt with Proven Ability To Pay
the Interest on US Treasury Notes.

* A Sick Weak US Economy is a 'Bad' No-Value
US Dollar in the National and World Marketplace.
-aka- A Lousy Debt with "No" Ability To Pay the
Interest on US Treasury Notes.

On Sep 15, 10:42*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Sep 15, 8:35*am, Grendel wrote:

First:
- - For the statement to be even close to accurate,
- - it would have to be morally reprehensible to
- - spank a child,
- - and it is far from it. *

. You
may not agree with it, but your narrow viewpoint does not dictate the
morals for everyone. (and before you ask, I have found the need to
spank my children.)

- Then you are unethical, and YES
- I can make that statement, which is
- different from dictating it
- (*Learn* the difference if learning is within your ability).
-*Tough **** if you don't like it, you brutal *******.

Don't Get Angry BpnJ,
.. . . and become a 'Grendel' . . .

=WRT=
- - it would have to be morally reprehensible to
- - spank a child,

To Some/Many It Is Morally Reprehensible
To Spank A Child [.]
= It Is Their Opinion/Belief based on their
Strong Personal Convictions

To Many/Most IT IS Morally Reprehensible and
Criminal To Spank A Child -condition- When You
Are Angry, Enraged and Out of Control of Your
Reasoning and Strength or use a Foreign Object [.]
= It Is Their Opinion/Belief based on their Strong
Personal Convictions : Plus a General Societal
Value that is Prescribed by Law {A Crime}.

- - and it is far from it.

NO : If Done Right It Can Have Value In Establishing
and Reinforcing Societal Core Values. -how-ever-
If Done Wrong It Needs To Be Controlled, Prohibited,
and Punished.

I have always thought that to get a Marriage License
the 'Couple' should be required to take a "Parenting"
Class which would include Parental Rights and Duties
including the Limited Use of Age Appropriate Corporal
Punishment and the Right Way To Do It to Teach the
Child the Consequences of Doing Right and Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

On Sep 15, 4:43*pm, dave wrote:
Day Brown wrote:

The spanking itself is merely the apex of a psychological process which
only takes a few seconds. Without it, such bullies would be physically
abusing smaller kids. Totally avoiding what you say is abuse is not
possible. Controlling it is, and while you may use drugs, I am very
concerned because there are no long term studies of the effect.

That is very twisted. *You better stay vin the 19th century. I pity your
children

BTW: the guy with the board is the bully.

- I'll bet there's a ****load of wife-swapping where you live.
-*That's been my experience in these Mayberry Meccas.

'Special Dave' ! Mayberry Meccas !
now that is what makes you 'special'
eaflap ~ RHF

On Sep 15, 10:38*pm, m II wrote:
dave wrote:
I'll bet there's a ****load of wife-swapping where you live. *That's
been my experience in these Mayberry Meccas.

That would explain the entire village raising the children. They never
know if they're looking after their own or not.

- It's probably where the perverse Mormon Elders
- got their ideas for their present day Harems.
- One of those scum has over 120 children from
- welfare collecting tramps.
-
- mike

Mike [M II],

There you good again Attacking Persons-of-Faith
and Singling out the Mormons for your Hate Speech.

With Canadians like Mike [M II] -one-most-ask-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...a72cd4374a15e7

Can You Be a Christian or Jew or Muslim
{Any Person of Faith*} In Canada ?
* Add Mormons [LDS] to the Hated List
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...814a4b1c9b44e6

On Sep 15, 10:41*pm, m II wrote:
- - lorad wrote:
- - Spare the rod and spoil the child.

- Spare the rod and *have* no child.
- mike

Simply have No Children and use the Rod for
.. . . a Fishing Pole ;-} ~ RHF

On Sep 16, 8:22*am, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:
On 9/16/2010 2:14 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:





"Kevin Alfred *wrote in message
...

The founders must have been aware that such a situation could evolve,
hence their repeated words "Congress shall make no law..." -- surely the
most important statement in the entire document.

CONgress has been making unconstitutional law for many decades. *First
there's the flagrant violation of the Second Amendment by regulating WHO may
own or carry a gun. They've been doing that one for a very long time, and
they just keep slipping in more BS under the flag of protecting the public.
Protecting the public is the job of the police, not the CONgress passing
unconstitutional law.

Then there's due process, double jeopardy and ex-post-facto. They get around
that by saying the law is not punitive, but "regulative". And the SCOTUS
goes right along with it.

You're right.

And the illegal usurpation of power has been going on for a very
long time, with huge spikes of illegal "law-making" occurring during
and after major wars. Practically everything the regime in
Washington does now is unconstitutional.

It's gone beyond illegality and actually reached the point of
insanity now.

At one time, I opined that these pretended "laws" ought to be void
because, among many other reasons, there were so many of them that
no one person could ever even read them all in a single lifetime,
let alone understand or obey them. (This excess of "laws," by the
way, converts us from a government of laws into a government of men
-- men who can cherry pick a victim and then cherry pick a "law" to
charge him with violating, since all have violated some. Tax laws
are among their favorites in this regard.)

But it's worse now. Multiple-thousand-page "laws" are passed by
legislators who never even bother to read them. And really, they
couldn't even if they wanted to -- there are too many. It's beyond
insane, beyond Kafkaesque. May the gods end it all soon.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://kevinalfredstrom.com/- Hide quoted text -

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BTW, where in the US Constitution does it say that we must pay taxes
to the Federal government?

On Sep 16, 9:29*am, dave wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 15, 7:47 pm, *wrote:
wrote:
Why is NASA going to use Russian made Rockets to blast into outer Space?
That is vague, vague to me anyway.
cuhulin

Russian rockets pollute like crazy. *They should not get EPA waivers..

Baikonur is and always was in Kazakhstan. Doubt if any environmental
laws are in effect over the *after all these space and nuclear (!)
testing (the first was above ground and literally killed civilians)
going all the way back to late 40's ...

They are building a new space port in Asian Russia. Their lease with the
Kazakhs is expiring.

How do you clean up 50 square miles of hydrazine residue?

Now, that we have to ask Sasha Baron Cohen. He claimed to have a
special relationship with Kazakhstan ...