On Oct 4, 4:09*pm, Mr.B1ack wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Sep 22, 5:45*pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 9/22/2010 8:31 PM, Sid9 wrote:

"Chas. Chan" wrote in message
...
Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to
environmentalists.

[...]

•CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of
light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way
in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a
flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom.

•Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full
strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less
bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination
is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the
staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard
on the stairs.

I haven't tried the CFL outside but I had regular Fluorescent lighting
in a barn and when below 32F they didn't work worth a damn.

- I think we're are going to transition to the more
- expensive LED lighting bit going from $0.30 bulbs
- to $6.00 bulbs would be a hard sell so the CFL
- is an intermediate to acclimate the consumers.

FWIW LED Light may be coming down in Price at
least for simple 3-LED Flashlights {Hand Torches}

On the way back up the Hill from Stockton, CA
stopped by the Dollar Tree Store in Oakdale, CA
and saw a Plastic Body 3-LED Flashlight* that
used 3 AAA Batteries {Not Included} for only
One Buck [$1]. -hint- 'Dollar Tree'

* Distributor : Greenbrier Intl. & Made-in-China

Got it home and tested it with the *3 AAA Batteries
installed and IT IS A BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT !

The 1"D x 3.5"L Barrel fits in the Palm of the Hand
with the 1.5"D x 1.5"L Light-Head still exposed.
unless you have Big Hands.

The over-all shape sort of looks like this one.
http://img.directindustry.com/images...shlight-253681...

The Front Lens of the 3-LED Light-Head
generally looks like this.
http://www.lightjunction.com/images/...c-M3XC4-R2.jpg

Just seems this year that a smaller Aluminum Body
9-LED Flashlight that used 3 AAA Batteries was
selling for $5~$10 with the cheap LABs included.
-but- This 3-LED Flashlight is Brighter then any of
the 9-LED Flashlights -imho-

HELLO Just because LEDs are so energy efficient :
Please Remember Not-to-Over-Do-It ;;-}} ~ RHF
http://blog.makezine.com/500-led-flashlight.jpg

* *LEDs are "more efficient" ... but only if you narrow
* *your definition considerably.

* *LEDs require precision engineering to make ... and
* *that costs money and energy and toxic crap that has
* *to be specially disposed.

Mr. Black,

The same can be said for all the new High MPG Cars
and Hybrid Cars : The Energy used to Build the One
'New' Car and All of it's Parts could Fuel a currently
existing Car for 3+ Years by some estimates.
-so- Keeping the Old Clunker has an overall Energy Use
Avoidance in the First Year that extends out 3+ Years
-and- Keeping the Old Clunker for 3+ Years can Reduce
the Carbon Footprint for a Decade.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/...207_z.jpg?zz=1